Great forum and site. I wish I had happened upon threads like the ones here before using their product. Yet another negative and dangerous experience with Buffalo Bore's product and their customer "service." Scary "boutique" stuff, yet it is carried at major retailers like Cabela's. Creates a danger to many an unsuspecting customer buying "just another box" of 10mm that looks safe and more powerful if not expensive.

http://www.badammo.com

The BB website claims are simply not consistent with the real experiences I've read about in threads across the web. Scary when you get a live experience to also highlight the actual risk.

Interesting first post. I see nothing in the link that was provided to tell me what I should be looking for to save myself and my weapons.

Sorry for a first post that points to an outside link. However, I found this forum due to the boom in a gun with ammunition that is not accurately labeled. There are numerous threads on this site with posts around concerns with Buffalo Bore 10mm ammunition. I'm simply pointing out one more case where that happened. It blew up in the face and damaged the firearm if you read about it on the pages of that site. If that information isn't valuable in a forum about 10mm ammunition and firearms, then my apologies. I would not allow any friends to shoot that stuff without being fully informed of the risks.

It's probably not suited for the firearm and Deltas are known for the unsupported issue. I wonder how many people really shoot it? It's outrageous in price, no telling what components you will get and the packaging is nuts!

Quote from: Intercooler on October 28 2015 07:15:52 AM MDT
It's probably not suited for the firearm and Deltas are known for the unsupported issue. I wonder how many people really shoot it? It's outrageous in price, no telling what components you will get and the packaging is nuts!

Agreed. That's my point. Why should a consumer have to learn online in various threads about it being unsuitable for the firearm? Especially concerning are the claims on BB's site that it is safe for all pistols in ordinary working condition. It isn't.

Live and learn, even if the latter has to be by a bad experience or two along the way, as long as you get to continue doing the former.

  Somehow they get away with it. We can't let the owner's totally off the hook though not stepping up the ladder into high performance ammunition. 

The linked website is related to one incident.  It references other anecdotal incidents.

I have fired a good deal of Buffalo Bore ammo.  It is quite warm, which is why I buy it.  I am also very aware that hot 10mm ammo carries an inherent higher risk of this kind of situation.  The referenced web-page seems to indicate the author was at least peripherally aware of this fact by asserting his careful investigation to insure the ammo was safe in his gun.  This would also indicate they were aware of a concern related to case head support in some DE barrels.

Perhaps the maker is being negligent in not providing more detailed warnings.

It would be nice if full-size pictures were provided on the "Failure!" page of the website.  It would also be nice if the website had been tested in a variety of browsers, because on Chrome/OS X many of the pages have graphics over the top of text that make the site very difficult to read.  You have to guess what words are hidden.

In the interest of full-disclosure, are you the shooter involved with the incident documented at badammo.com?

Over the years I have seen many post of the Delta Elites with brass bulges almost completely around the brass cases and yes have I seen some which blew out.  One thing that I see from those pictures on the site, the catastrophic failure of the brass...here is my thoughts of how it failed.

The firing pin struck the primer igniting the powder, as pressure builds, the primer backed out causing the slide to move. unlock and this allowed the casing to also move backwards slamming into the breech at peak pressure with even more unsupported casing to which point the casing tore under pressure causing a casing blowout.

What leads me to believe this?  I have experienced primers which have popped out during testing from Starline brass as used by Underwood and have experienced slightly loose fitting primers in some new Starline casings while loading my own.  I have stated before Starline brass is softer because it is a handloaders brass which can be reloaded several times before it becomes work hardened.  All brass should be made to hold up to the rated pressures of the design.

The scariest thing I have seen from Buffalo Bore was the amount of powder used under the Buffalo Bore Barnes 155gr TAC-XP ammo where the powder was so compressed it came out like a solid pill.


If these ammo makers are loading outside of the SAAMI specifications for the cartridge design, then they would be liable for any all damages.  So do they actually submit ammo to certified proper lab testing?
I have asked Underwood specifically if their ammo is within SAAMI pressure standards and their reply was it was...

One of the reasons I handload is that I can test various things for myself, some of which is pulling ammo apart and documenting what was found, then working test to see if it fits certain profiles of published loading data vs. what was found!   

If Buffalo Bore ammo was within SAAMI pressure specs, it would be good in "ANY" 10mm gun designed to shoot the 10m cartridge. If a gun could not shoot 10mm ammo that was within SAAMI specs, it is the gun's fault, not the ammo. The only way BB could be at fault is if the ammo was out of SAAMI specs - which is what I think BB ammo is, and it is why I won't use it.

If I needed more power from my 10mm, I would go to a bigger caliber - not super duper ammo.

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This looks like it was the 220gr HC round...not an easy pill.

I don't ever think you will see Sig Ammo going over 1250 stated on their box. Nugent 180's stay in the 1200+ range. Kinda wish U/W would make more in their offerings 1200+ besides the Nosler. I inquired about ordering a load at 1300 165s, and their response was a min of 500 on CUSTOM orders. Don't get me wrong, Underwood speaks for itself. But super fast isn't getting penetration and bullet deformation occurs. What we get is loud rounds and questionable penetration. I speak regarding self defense situations, not hunting. I shot Nugents and i like HPR as well. 

interesting/ Perhaps Tim Sundles should put warnings on his boxes as Underwood does.

So should Colt.

I am not buying a Colt due to the chamber support issue. Normally, all my 1911's are Colts.

When the time comes, I think I will be going with Kimber or Dan Wesson.

Let's  knock it off. 1911s are traditional. 45s. Colt was a savior,but it's limited.