Not only that but SHE uses an EAA 10mm and  a Glock 20 to try to do our hero in forever......new book "The Bourne Imperative" by Lustbader. Pretty good spy novel.
Fun gun stuff-female killer and sex partner of Jason chases him all over Europe.  I like it!

Didn't like the original Bourne books. I'll give this one a shot since it wasn't written by Ludlum. That guy wrote 100 page novels, then turned them into a 400 page novels by repeating the same thing ad nauseam.

Guess it would take the 10mm to damage Bourne. Good movies.

Wow.  I was already excited to see the new Bourne film.  Now even more so.

Looks like 10mm is hitting the mainstream.  Good?? Bad??

Good!

I was perusing Dillon's Blue Press this morning, and saw more 10mm stuff than normal.  Snap caps, 10mm mags, etc.

And I am seeing the new movie on Friday.  Maybe I will have to download this book to help get in the mood.

It's good.The 10mm is getting the appreciation it always deserved.The barnes 155 copper HP bullets can be driven to 1500 fps and performance is said to be outstanding.I'm driving 180 xtp's to around 1300 fps and accuracy is 1 1/2 inch at 25 yards and I'll probably use that load come deer season or 180 gold dots.If I can get the barnes 155's for a decent price I'll try them.

I don't see an issue with 10mm hitting the "mainstream."  What would be the downfall that would out-weight the pros?

Quote from: 10d on August 08 2012 11:55:42 AM MDT
The barnes 155 copper HP bullets can be driven to 1500 fps and performance is said to be outstanding.

I don't think something a 155gr Barnes solid copper can be driven anywhere near 1500fps from something like a Glock 20, even if it had a 6" barrel.  I'm pretty sure the 155gr solid copper bullets are at least as long as a 200gr XTP, if not longer.  I think you would be lucky to get it going as fast as a 200gr XTP (~1200 fps).  1500fps might be possible with the Barnes 125gr solid copper bullet from a 4.6" G20.  Not sure.

Quote from: REDLINE on August 08 2012 01:13:03 PM MDT
I don't see an issue with 10mm hitting the "mainstream."  What would be the downfall that would out-weight the pros?

Quote from: 10d on August 08 2012 11:55:42 AM MDT
The barnes 155 copper HP bullets can be driven to 1500 fps and performance is said to be outstanding.

I don't think something a 155gr Barnes solid copper can be driven anywhere near 1500fps from something like a Glock 20, even if it had a 6" barrel.  I'm pretty sure the 155gr solid copper bullets are at least as long as a 200gr XTP, if not longer.  I think you would be lucky to get it going as fast as a 200gr XTP (~1200 fps).  1500fps might be possible with the Barnes 125gr solid copper bullet from a 4.6" G20.  Not sure.

Wanna bet?

Buffalo Bore reports 1400 fps from a Glock 4.6" barrel for the 155 grain.

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=272

I bet Underwood could beat that by at least 50 fps, maybe 100.  He regularly does with other bullet weights.

Quote from: DM1906 on August 08 2012 01:32:46 PM MDT

Quote from: REDLINE on August 08 2012 01:13:03 PM MDT
I don't see an issue with 10mm hitting the "mainstream."  What would be the downfall that would out-weight the pros?

Quote from: 10d on August 08 2012 11:55:42 AM MDT
The barnes 155 copper HP bullets can be driven to 1500 fps and performance is said to be outstanding.

I don't think something a 155gr Barnes solid copper can be driven anywhere near 1500fps from something like a Glock 20, even if it had a 6" barrel.  I'm pretty sure the 155gr solid copper bullets are at least as long as a 200gr XTP, if not longer.  I think you would be lucky to get it going as fast as a 200gr XTP (~1200 fps).  1500fps might be possible with the Barnes 125gr solid copper bullet from a 4.6" G20.  Not sure.

Wanna bet?

1500 is definitely within the realm of reality form a longer barreled IE 6" G20. Yes its a long bullet and yes its held with in the 1.260" constraints, BUT its still 155grs. Also remembering the powders used are not at 100% density. Meaning there is room enough for enough to reach some impressive velocities!

CW

Quote from: cwlongshot on August 08 2012 04:09:58 PM MDT

Quote from: DM1906 on August 08 2012 01:32:46 PM MDT

Quote from: REDLINE on August 08 2012 01:13:03 PM MDT
I don't see an issue with 10mm hitting the "mainstream."  What would be the downfall that would out-weight the pros?

Quote from: 10d on August 08 2012 11:55:42 AM MDT
The barnes 155 copper HP bullets can be driven to 1500 fps and performance is said to be outstanding.

I don't think something a 155gr Barnes solid copper can be driven anywhere near 1500fps from something like a Glock 20, even if it had a 6" barrel.  I'm pretty sure the 155gr solid copper bullets are at least as long as a 200gr XTP, if not longer.  I think you would be lucky to get it going as fast as a 200gr XTP (~1200 fps).  1500fps might be possible with the Barnes 125gr solid copper bullet from a 4.6" G20.  Not sure.

Wanna bet?

1500 is definitely within the realm of reality form a longer barreled IE 6" G20. Yes its a long bullet and yes its held with in the 1.260" constraints, BUT its still 155grs. Also remembering the powders used are not at 100% density. Meaning there is room enough for enough to reach some impressive velocities!

CW

Yep.

This is one of my hunting sidearm load.  I see very consistent velocities and accuracy at a bit over 1500 FPS in the 5.2" barrel.  A 6" barrel would likely see close 1600 FPS in the right weapon.  It scoots over 2000 FPS in a 16" barrel.  It's a tad under 1500 in the stock 4.6" barrel, but the brass isn't reusable after.  No smile, but enough hog-belly I won't use it (although I've seen people, some here and on GT, recycle some in worst condition).  In the LWD barrel, it's not any worse than any other full power load.  Case capacity fill is about 106% with a C.O.L. of 1.265".  I would much rather use a heavier lead bullet, but where I live/hunt in CA, it's only legal to shoot people with lead.

That is awesome! 10mm and Rokon getting props in the same year!

(The Rokon is in the movie Expendables2.........yeah, but any publicity is good publicity!)

Quote from: DM1906 on August 08 2012 01:32:46 PM MDT

Quote from: REDLINE on August 08 2012 01:13:03 PM MDT
I don't see an issue with 10mm hitting the "mainstream."  What would be the downfall that would out-weight the pros?

Quote from: 10d on August 08 2012 11:55:42 AM MDT
The barnes 155 copper HP bullets can be driven to 1500 fps and performance is said to be outstanding.

I don't think something a 155gr Barnes solid copper can be driven anywhere near 1500fps from something like a Glock 20, even if it had a 6" barrel.  I'm pretty sure the 155gr solid copper bullets are at least as long as a 200gr XTP, if not longer.  I think you would be lucky to get it going as fast as a 200gr XTP (~1200 fps).  1500fps might be possible with the Barnes 125gr solid copper bullet from a 4.6" G20.  Not sure.

Wanna bet?

I bet it takes over 37,500psi to get it done.  Probably into the 40,000psi range.  That being the case, for all practical purposes, it can't be done.

Going back to 10d's post;  There's a huge difference between a 180gr XTP around 1300fps and a 155gr Solid Copper JHP at 1500fps, period.

Quote from: REDLINE on August 12 2012 05:38:42 PM MDT

Quote from: DM1906 on August 08 2012 01:32:46 PM MDT

Quote from: REDLINE on August 08 2012 01:13:03 PM MDT
I don't see an issue with 10mm hitting the "mainstream."  What would be the downfall that would out-weight the pros?

Quote from: 10d on August 08 2012 11:55:42 AM MDT
The barnes 155 copper HP bullets can be driven to 1500 fps and performance is said to be outstanding.

I don't think something a 155gr Barnes solid copper can be driven anywhere near 1500fps from something like a Glock 20, even if it had a 6" barrel.  I'm pretty sure the 155gr solid copper bullets are at least as long as a 200gr XTP, if not longer.  I think you would be lucky to get it going as fast as a 200gr XTP (~1200 fps).  1500fps might be possible with the Barnes 125gr solid copper bullet from a 4.6" G20.  Not sure.

Wanna bet?

I bet it takes over 37,500psi to get it done.  Probably into the 40,000psi range.  That being the case, for all practical purposes, it can't be done.

Going back to 10d's post;  There's a huge difference between a 180gr XTP around 1300fps and a 155gr Solid Copper JHP at 1500fps, period.

Pressure wasn't mentioned in the statement.  But no, it isn't a "40,000psi range" load.  It is a maximum pressure load, and perhaps very slightly over, dependent upon climate conditions, but not overpressure.  Up to and touching.  I mention the brass bulge, because full pressure rounds, including Underwood, etc, will do the same in the Glock barrel, according to my standard determining "usable brass" (which is a little more strict than most).   This round meets, albeit marginally, my minimum standard of kinetic and momentum energy for the task.  If it couldn't, it'd stay in the safe.  Simple as that.

If you don't live and/or hunt in an area requiring non-lead hunting projectiles, I don't think you can fully appreciate the necessity.  This legislation was passed in the dark of night, under false pretenses, supported by false science, with no expiration, or requirement of review.  It isn't likely, in my lifetime, this state will have a legislation interested in overturning the law, and overturning is more difficult than passing, in any case.  Maybe after the civil war.  Those who would say "it can't be done", either haven't tried, or have no incentive to try.  Necessity IS the mother of invention.  If it were only a matter of having a cartridge capable of sufficient energy, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  In addition to the .41, .44, and .45LC capabilities, the same Barnes .40 bullet will run more than 1800 FPS out of my Ruger BH.  I don't want to carry the magnums or the Ruger, in this case.  Bear hunting-only season, perhaps.

Of course, there is a difference between a 180 gr. XTP around 1300 FPS and a 155Gr. solid copper HP bullet at 1500 FPS.  Only if you hunt anywhere but here.  Here, the difference is moot.  If I had  HC or XTP option, we wouldn't be having this discussion.  I carry XTP's, just not while hunting.

 
the 10mm assassin is in the new BOOK, not the movie-she did not kill Jason (imagine that!)

I doubt  she was using those 1500fps loads in her guns.