Quote from: my_old_glock on November 04 2014 10:22:26 AM MST

Quote from: sqlbullet on November 03 2014 01:54:06 PM MST

Quote from: my_old_glock on November 03 2014 01:46:45 PM MST
I shoot the Lee 311-100-2R bullet (no gas check) out of my M1 Carbine @ ~1950fps, and get some leading.

I use water quenched wheel weights with ~2% tin added.

How are they sized, and what did the bore on the Carbine slug measure?

Sized to 0.309, and I didn't slug the bore.

I am NOT picking on you, but this is a great case in point.

A quick read at cast boolits shows that most guys who have M1 Carbines and have slugged the bore find them to be .3085 to .309.  Chances are good you bullets are too small.  I would bet a .310 with a good lube will have no leading.

Quote from: sqlbullet on November 04 2014 09:23:47 PM MST

Quote from: my_old_glock on November 04 2014 10:22:26 AM MST

Quote from: sqlbullet on November 03 2014 01:54:06 PM MST

Quote from: my_old_glock on November 03 2014 01:46:45 PM MST
I shoot the Lee 311-100-2R bullet (no gas check) out of my M1 Carbine @ ~1950fps, and get some leading.

I use water quenched wheel weights with ~2% tin added.

How are they sized, and what did the bore on the Carbine slug measure?

Sized to 0.309, and I didn't slug the bore.

I am NOT picking on you, but this is a great case in point.

A quick read at cast boolits shows that most guys who have M1 Carbines and have slugged the bore find them to be .3085 to .309.  Chances are good you bullets are too small.  I would bet a .310 with a good lube will have no leading.

I just slugged the barrel, and it is 0.309, so I am a little small.

I am happy with the accuracy.

Next time I will size them to 0.311 since that is the next size die I have besides the 0.309



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What size are they dropping from the mold? You might get lucky and they are dropping at .310

I still need explained to me why you want extreme velocity in a DEWC. I mean the whole premise of a wadcutter is just to cut a perfect circle in a paper target. I have never in 35 years of reloading seen a bullet that was more accurate at the high end of allowable velocity. I mean I use .38 special DEWC for .357 Mag practise target loads with almost the lowest velocity because they are the most accurate at low speeds.

 I've been reloading for 30 years my friend and I'm not the only one who's been interested interested in high velocity wadcutters. What's the point of hardcast dewc wadcutters  when we have swaged hbwc's that perform much better at target velocities? I was trying to see if the wide flat meplat  in a light weight for caliber bullet has potential as a high velocity hunting bullet but have since lost interest. I'm sure they can be very effective though.

Quote from: wadcutter on November 19 2014 09:17:45 AM MST
I've been reloading for 30 years my friend and I'm not the only one who's been interested interested in high velocity wadcutters. What's the point of hardcast dewc wadcutters  when we have swaged hbwc's that perform much better at target velocities? I was trying to see if the wide flat meplat  in a light weight for caliber bullet has potential as a high velocity hunting bullet but have since lost interest. I'm sure they can be very effective though.

One of the best targets I ever did with my .357 Mag was using extremely low velocity 148 grain DEWC's. I've never got that accuracy with an HBWC. But I don't think I would ever use any kind of wadcutter for hunting. That reminds me, somewhere I made a few HBWC loads with them loaded backwards. Was going to see if they made like a super hollow point. Never shot them yet.

Quote from: gandog56 on November 21 2014 07:55:52 AM MST

...That reminds me, somewhere I made a few HBWC loads with them loaded backwards. Was going to see if they made like a super hollow point. Never shot them yet.

I had some Hornady HBWC bullets that I loaded backwards. I can't remember exactly how good they performed in water jugs, but I doubt they worked that good since I didn't keep loading that way. I think the Hornady bullets were too soft, and didn't open properly.



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Many people had used the HBWC loaded as a HP, but the thing I remembered was the leaded the bore, I think they were just too small in dia. 

Quote from: The_Shadow on November 21 2014 07:43:18 PM MST
Many people had used the HBWC loaded as a HP, but the thing I remembered was the leaded the bore, I think they were just too small in dia. 

Could very well be. The hollow base is supposed to expand a bit for a better seal. But I didn't load ubervelocity ones so maybe they won't lead as much.

I think one problem with the Hollow Base Wad Cutter is that most of the mass is away from the bullet's axis. The further away from the center of axis that an irregularity exists and the faster the bullet spins, the more it effects the stability (Think about an out-of-balance car tire @15mph, and @ 75mph). The faster the bullet goes down the barrel the faster it spins. If you load them as intended, they act like a shuttlecock or arrow (weight forward - fin stabilized). If you load them backwards with the weight in the back, anything can happen.

Most wad-cutters are designed to stay subsonic.


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