just found this thread after farting around some.  the video title on that moose hunt should read 'moose downed after full mag dump'. 

that is a horrible video to watch. 

the animals we hunt deserve better than that crap.

just as a follow up since i've been mia on the web recently.  ran a box of underwood 180 tmj's sunday and they were gtg. love this gun.

i did have a FTF issue with the PNC 200 gr. as outlined in my previous posts in this thread.  That said, it was 2 of 10 mag while only having loaded 5 rounds.  It may have been my hand hitting the slide release or it could've been the gun?  don't know?   But today no issues at all.  so I've only got 100 rounds down range and can summarize: PNC - 2 FTF / Underwood 0 issues at all. 

I've got a lot more shooting to day before I say it was a legit FTF though. 

Quote from: The_Shadow on October 15 2013 07:24:33 PM MDT
tmwtrfwler, welcome to the forum!  What RSA (recoil rod/spring assembly) are you using?  Factory stock or other?

All stock. the brass ejected normally as expected.  of course in an indoor range it's hard to tell exactly but none came back at me.

got to the range today with my new Glock 20 gen 4 and a box of Underwood 180 gr TMJ's.  Man those were so much better than the PNC 200gr I shot over the weekend.  They provided a noticable difference in how accurate I was with them and the feel of each shot.  These bullets are great.  No issues, no FTF / FTE, couldn't be happier.  All brass looked good at first glance. 

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Quote from: Ascension on October 11 2013 11:11:09 PM MDT

Been shooting Underwood for a while now (almost exclusively the 180 grain FMJ at the range) with out an issue but this particular box of the 165 JHP flat spooked me!

Sorry to read this Ascension.  I just joined this site after picking up my first 10mm (Glock 20) last week.  I got it for a woods gun.  After a lot of reading I bought some Underwood 135 JHP's and 180 TMJ's (what i call FMJ's).

have you had any issues with the 180's or 135's?  Mine were purchased last week and delivered friday. 

Thanks

Welcome, tmwtrfwler.

There's a world of difference between the TMJ and FMJ bullets. FMJ is a thick copper cup with the lead core swaged into it, with an exposed lead base. The TMJ is a cast or swaged lead bullet, with copper (or other metal) electro-plated onto it. TMJ's are essentially a cast/swaged lead bullet, only with a "different" type of lube, and are usually sized similarly to cast (usually .001" or greater oversize). TMJ is a misnomer, in that they aren't jacketed, technically.

Good to know!  I'd not heard of TMJ's until I was looking at Underwood's site.  I have grown up shooting deer and waterfowl but got hooked on pistols and target/defensive shooting a few years ago.  I don't reload so my bullet knowledge (and components) knowledge is lagging compared to most on this site. 
 
I googled the difference and one guy had a good analogy. He said a FMJ was like a copper condom over lead.  Makes sense!

Thanks for educating me.  I look forward to learning more.

Have you any experience with the 135's or 180 TMJ's from Underwood?

Quote from: Ascension on October 11 2013 11:11:09 PM MDT

Been shooting Underwood for a while now (almost exclusively the 180 grain FMJ at the range) with out an issue but this particular box of the 165 JHP flat spooked me!

Sorry to read this Ascension.  I just joined this site after picking up my first 10mm (Glock 20) last week.  I got it for a woods gun.  After a lot of reading I bought some Underwood 135 JHP's and 180 TMJ's (what i call FMJ's).

have you had any issues with the 180's or 135's?  Mine were purchased last week and delivered friday. 

Thanks