I don't mind it shooting at the range but i agree the xdm grip contour leaves something to be desired. I like my xd9 service grip much better for a carry gun. They are both fun to shoot at the range but for different purposes. I know the old xd line is not going to be comming out with new models but i would like to see a mod2 tactical in 10mm. I would just put a talon grip tape over the dumb grip zone text and be good to go.

Hope they get the new spring to ya soon. It made a noticeable difference in mine.

Gotta love the old plain jane xd9 service. I bought one long ago. Liked it. Added a powder river trigger and loved it. Picked up an xdm a year or 2 later at it was a good gun but i always shot the xd better. Put a light on it and it lives in the dresser now. Its nothing special. I have much nicer guns in the safe but over many 1000s of rounds it has NEVER failed to go bang.

Well said. I kept an 18" 870 in the bedroom closet for years filled with federal flight control 00 buck . At some point i reevaluated and could not think of many scenarios i would go for the shotgun in the closet before the handgun on my belt or night stand. I replaced the shotgun with an ar carbine my wife was comfertable and proficient shooting. She has not mastered handgun shooting but she is murder on 2 liter bottles between 25 and 75 yards with the AR.

Quote from: sqlbullet on May 23 2019 09:24:58 AM MDT
So, I bit my tongue a bit in my previous reply as my opinions on this topic are not terribly mainstream.  Here it is:

A shotgun is a terrible home defense gun.

Sacrilege right?  Allow me to offer some defense of my position.  Let's start by examining the requirements of a home defense gun.

1.  It needs to be handy.  Let's face it, chances are if someone bursts into your home and you don't have the gun on you, you probably aren't going to get to the gun.  Especially if the gun is properly stored using the "not in use" rules of a. locked up and b. not stored with the ammo.

2.  It needs to be maneuverable in confined spaces.  Find the narrowest hallway in your home, which is usually three feet, and then maneuver around in there with any kind of shotgun.  Also give it a go in a closet or under a bed.  And consider how you are going to use it one handed when you need to use a phone, flashlight, or heaven forbid are wounded.

3.  It needs to be powerful enough to stop the threat if you have to fire the gun. What is the sense of having a home defense gun if it won't actually provide you any defense.

4.  It needs to minimize the probability of collateral casualties.  Homes are typically full of loved ones who you ideally don't want to hurt.  In fact, they are often who you are protecting.  And houses are often grouped in these collections called neighborhoods, and while exterior walls are sturdier stuff than sheetrock, bullets will go through them  Especially bullets that meet the requirements of specification #3.

5.  Hearing should be considered.  This is way down the list because living is clearly more important.  But hearing should be considered as a.  you are not likely to put on hearing protection and b.  even if you do, is everyone else in your home going to be notified to gear up?

So, lets grade a shotgun on these.

1.  Handy.  I don't know about you, but I don't watch Nick at Night or Gilmore Girls re-runs (when the wife has the remote) with my 870 or Model 500 on my lap.  And if you do, sooner or later you end up with a loaded gun propped up against a sofa that gets knocked over.  Shotgun is not likely to be with you when you need it, and if it was it likely is not stored/handled safely.   F

2.  Even a riot gun gets hard to move around in a hallway, closet or under a bed.  D

3.  Shotguns loaded with buckshot or slugs have this one in spades (A), but if they are loaded with birdshot this drops to a (B - F) depending on the distance involved.  At 3-5' birdshot is still about as effective as buck or slugs.  At 10' the wounds start to get more bloody and superficial and by 15' birdshot is not effective at all.  However, given that most home defense distances will be less than 15' and given the undisputed effectiveness of slugs and buckshot the shotgun rules this category.  A

4.  When loaded with those effective rounds, the shotgun becomes a penetration powerhouse.  Unless you have a brick house slugs are likely to make it outside the home if fired at an exterior wall, and will definitely do some damage to the folks in the next room.  And while buckshot will likely be stopped by sheathing and siding and not make it outside the home, it zips right through interior walls.  And there are 15 plus pellets now careening around your home.  Since we gave the shotgun an "A" in effectiveness, we have to assume we are using the rounds that plow through walls with ease.  If you are gonna use birdshot which won't make it to the next room you can get an "A" here, but drop 3 to a "D".  C

5.  Shotguns are loud.  And there isn't much you can do about this.  Handguns can be suppressed much more effectively than a shotgun.  C

Shotguns get a C- (1.8 point average) as a home defense gun. 

At least in the book of sqlbullet.

Had my 4.5 since November and have not had any issues at all. Have maybe 300-400 rounds threw it. I added a powder river trigger kit, talon grip and 22 lb wolff recoil spring and i am more than happy now. Not that i was unhappy before the aftermarket stuff.

Been a while but after much snow and cold my local range is now melted off and accessible. I had a chance today to shoot the xdm10 with 22 lb spring. I was very happy with the results. First i tried a minimum load of universal under a 180 grain hornady hap bullet. I wanted to make sure rhe gun would reliably cycle the wimpiest powder puff load i could think i would ever use. It did. No issues. Next i loaded up full house loads of longshot under the same 180 grain Hornady hap bullet. The cases landed about 10-15 feet away in a relatively small area. Thats about 10 foot less than with the factory spring. Recoil was not reduced noticeably but the recoil impulse seemed less sharp if that makes sense. All in all im happy and feel it was money well spent.

Thats a cool target. My father in law works in a machine/welding shop. Gonna show him the pic and see if he can fab up something like this.

Ya i had to pass on the jrc. 10mm carbine would be very cool but to many horror storys about these guns. Ended up trading for a fn fnx 45 and a bunch of extras instead. Thanks for your help

Thanks for the honest review. It's unfortunate that the design was not better thought out. I want to want this gun but i have this voice in the back of my head saying " dont do it".

If you dont mibd me asking what problems have you had getting yours to run?

Cant find much of anything google searching. Some bad reviews of the older jr carbines from years ago but nothing at all as far as reviews of the 10mm version. I have a guy that wants to trade me his for an ar15 i was going to part with. Its a good deal on my end if the jr carbine runs but if its a pos i would rather avoid the hassle. If anyone owns one in 10mm or knows of an honest review someone elae has done please let me know. They guy says he only ran 2 mags threw it and it ran fine but he is the one that wants to get rid of it so. I have no idea if he is being honest.

Is anyone using the wolff firing pin spring that comes with the recoil spring or just sticking with the factory fps?

Ordered a 22 lb spring on monday. With any luck i will have it by this weekend and be able to try it out.

Anyone heard if any barrel manufacturers like storm lake, efk, lone wolf, ect that make or have plans of making aftermarket and conversion barrels for the xdm 10mm? I did some google fu but didn't come up with anything. I know the xdm 10 is still newish but i would think there would be enough demand to make it worth tooling up for. I don't know about anyone else. But i would be in the market for a 6" 10mm barrel and maybe a conversion barrel or two. 9x25 dillion would be fun to play around with or just a plain ol 40 short and weak to take advantage free range brass.

Ended up picking up 300 hornady hap bullets in the 180 grain flavor for $52 shipped to my door using my birthday discount and free shipping from midwayusa. Have not load any of them up get but will be working up a load with longshot in the near future.

They look like very nice cast bullets but we were talking (or at least i thought) about Missouri bullet company not Montana bullet works. At $135 for 500 bullets the gas check rounds from Montana bullet works they are not really in the running for "best value". Missouri bullet company however offers 500 coated 200 grain tcfp bullets for $50. Im sure Montana bullet works offer a very high quality product but for punching paper with full power loads they a way to pricey for my budget.

Quote from: 50BMG on January 06 2019 12:24:00 AM MST

Quote from: jtracy1223 on January 02 2019 10:18:50 AM MST
I didnt know they offered them with gas check. Do you have to special order them? I dont see any mention of any gas check bullets in 10mm on their web site right now.

Quote from: 50BMG on January 02 2019 10:06:22 AM MST

Quote from: Kenk on November 27 2018 07:37:28 AM MST
I've had good success with Missouri Bullet Company's 180gr hardcast, they are around $45.00 for 500
Thanks

Ken

I'll second that!
I get them with gas-checks to prevent any leading issues.
They fly very accurately in my Colt and Rock Island 1911s.

Great company, great bullets (I've also shot his 165g, 185g, & 200g 10mm offerings, with GCs when available).
The 165s are hard to make OAL.
The 180s are definitely my favs.

You almost really bummed me out there because I ordered some this last summer and I'm almost out now..
The 180g w/gas checks are listed under 38-40 caliber... I usually order them sized to .401"
https://www.montanabulletworks.com/product/3840-lbt-180gr-lfn-gc/

He lists the 200g LBT projo w/GC on the 10mm page.
His non-GC 185g projos on that page fly good too... His hard alloy is pretty much non-leading at medium to even high speeds..