WoW!
What a nice Christmas indeed...
Also, what a way to enter the 1911 world, with a 10mm specimen.

Like others have said, break her in and then figure out recoil springs, etc...
See how far the brass flies and adjust springs accordingly. If the reluctance to go 100% into battery continues after break in, a couple more pounds wouldn't hurt in this respect either.
Also, search the site for the "firing pin stop" mod. For the 1911s. That is one of the best, cheapest, and easier mods to do if you are going to regularly run "real" 10mm loads through her.

Congrats again and Merry Christmas

Hi Scott,
While I have never loaded all-copper projos for 10mm, I have used them in .44mag & .454Casull handguns to hunt with along with rifle calibers of 6.5Grendel, 7mm RemMag, .308 & .300WinMag.
Thsi year I will be hunting with the 10mm and a 6.5Grendel pistol loaded with Barnes 120g TSX solid copper projos.

For the most part, just load them like normal/lead core projos and work your way up to the desired velocity.

The only slight "issue", if one could call it that, I have run across with solid copper projos was with .454.
The Barnes projectiles had such a large hollowpoint in that caliber that the "body/OAL" of the projo itself was a bit longer than normal to make up the mass. So, due to seating depth, I couldn't get enough powder in the case without serious compression to give me the higher velocity that I normally get out of lead projos in a similar weight range.

Regarding what load to use, this site has a great section of different/proven load recipes you could follow.
Find one in your desired projo weight range, reduce the powder level by @10% (if the recipe only includes a "max" charge weight), and work your way up in charge weight from there, checking for pressure signs as you go.

Personally, for "hot/hunting" loads with projos in the 180g weight range, I'm partial to VV3N37 or AA#9 powders, both using Win. WLP primers.
This years deer 10mm load for me with 185g LBT (solid hard cast lead) projos is 9.2g VV3N37 in front of WLP primers out of my Springfield XDm OSP (has a 5" barrel due to it being suppressor ready).
With this load I'm averaging @ 1309FPS
Hope this helps.
Happy hunting!

Quote from: Velvetant on November 23 2019 10:22:03 AM MST
My older eyes need a RDS, I can't pick up irons anymore very well.
RMR is one of the toughest RDS out there.
If you have time check out the torture tests on the various RDS out there.
They all work great, I just trust the RMR  the most.

I agree with Velvetant RE: the durability of the RMR.
I am running one on my XDM OSP and it is holding up great, even with the hot hand loads I'm usually shooting (knocking on wood right now: LoL...)


However, a fairly well known firearms/defensive gun trainer named Gabe Suarez, a guy whose opinion I trust implicitly on this matter, says the Holosuns ARE up to the task when it comes to "drop them off a building and see if they still work" levels of durability. Previous to the Holosun, the RMR was "the only dot sight he would entrust with his life" as with the kinds of training he teaches (VERY INTENSIVE/real world/down and dirty gunfighting techniques) he had witnessed failures from pretty much every other brand of handgun mounted red dot sight besides the Trijicon.
Again, I know there ARE other good red dots out there, but in the "gunfight in the pouring rain/throw the gun in the desert rocks-sand, beat the attacker with the weapon before shooting him" very BRUTAL types of things Gabe trains people to survive, he only endorses the RMR & now the Holosun too.
I since have fired a friend's handgun with the Holo 508T on it and personally I like it A LOT!

If you haven't met Gabe before, here you go:
http://www.gabesuarez.com
https://vimeo.com/392316657
https://vimeo.com/suarezinternational

His thoughts on the Holosun pistol sight:
https://gabesuarez.com/holosun-h508t-a-fast-and-quick-briefing

Don't buy a "cheap" red dot (Gabe):
https://gabesuarez.com/dont-buy-a-cheap-and-crappy-red-dot

He also doesn't like the Trijicon SRO OR the new RMRcc:
https://vimeo.com/455931187

As you can tell, the guy pulls no punches and doesn't apologize for it either. These days, it's kinda refreshing to hear such a straight/outspoken shooter, even if you don't agree with him 100% on anything.

Also, even though I'm normally an Aimpoint man when it comes to rifle red dots, I now have a Holosun HS403C on one of my AR "pistols" and I tell you what, that sight is flipping AWESOME!
It runs on 100% solar power in most circumstances. It's "shake awake" switching is awesome when/if self defense ever becomes an issue. All aluminum body (Holosun sights are also available with Titanium bodies if you want to pay the extra $ for it). Like the Aimpoints I buy, the HS403C is also night vision compatible.
Considering the 403C's price point is @ $200-$250 LESS than even the fairly reasonable "on sale" priced Aimpoint PRO, this rifle sight DEFINITELY gets my own personal seal of approval!
https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/134.html

Quote from: Muskrat on September 02 2020 08:55:31 AM MDT
It all depends on the shooter of course, but I think the maximum distance is the distance you can hit a 5" circle ten times out of ten, repeatedly. For most people shooting a handgun with irons from a rest, that's probably right around 20 yards. For most people shooting a scoped rifle from a field position, that's probably about 70 yards, and no more that twice that from a sturdy rest.
Poor shot placement due to excessive distance is the top cause of wounded and lost animals. Wounding an animal and thus sentencing it to a lingering and agonizing death is unacceptable. Any shot that isn't a dead-lock should not be taken...it's not like your family is going to starve if that deer doesn't come home with you.
"possible" and "responsible" are terms that share no common ground.

I agree with Muskrat on this one too, but I might give you a little more leeway on the size of the target he ref'd.
Since the kill zone of an average whitetail is about a 10" circle (size of a standard "paper plate" if you will), if you can keep 10 out of 10 rounds in @ an 7-8" circle, shooting in the same positions/conditions that you will be while hunting, IMHO I think that would still fall under responsible/ethical hunting.

I've actually hunted deer with large caliber handguns all my adult life. In fact, the very first handgun I ever bought when I became legally able to do so was a 7.5" bbl. Ruger Super Redhawk in .44Mag, just for these purposes.
Since I wanted to be ethical and get the max range possible out of that and other subsequent "hand cannons" that I purchased, I usually affixed the good old  Leupold M8-2X on top of them to help in these efforts.
I have killed at least 8 deer with that Ruger at ranges from @40 feet to about 80 yards (all scoped), and I have never once had to fire a second shot on any of them. Of course, being the ethical hunter, I only take solid "kill shots" on deer in the first place, even when hunting with a scoped high power rifle. I also always use a "shooting stick" with handguns which I generally fashion out of a branch or sapling, and I chose one that has conveniently located "notches/branch offshoots" which are perfectly placed along the length which allows for the pistol to be "crotched" on the stick in both the standing and seated positions (in case I am still hunting).
When I stepped up to a Freedom Arms 7.5" .454Casull revolver, that increased my ethical range quite a bit, let alone, that gun is accurate as heck at 100yards, even with a simple 2X Leupold in the 3 ringed TSOB mount on it. Shooting 250g hard-cast LBT's at 1800fps, I have taken 1 shot kills on deer out to @125yards with that one (sitting down, gun in the "low crotch" of my shooting stick). Bullet still exited the opposite side very easily. Heart and lungs were toast.

I have been using a 10mm auto for hunting in the past couple of years in an attempt to bag one with those. I've used 5" 1911's and this year I will be using my RMR equipped XDm OSP. My handloads are 185g hard-cast LBT's running just a hair over 1300fps ave.
Due to me having the benefit of a bullet trap in the warehouse I own, I shoot handguns a lot (at least once a week I practice my defensive skills) and even with defensive handguns, I regularly shoot out to 25 yards offhand because not every active shooter scumbag we may run across will be close enough to smell.

My personal ethical limit for deer with my 10mm 1911's which have good/adjustable iron sites on them is about 40-50 yards with a rest. But even though I shoot a lot, that 50 yard shot would require a good 5-15 second "settling time' before I would depress the trigger to make an ethical kill.

With the RMR/XDm combo, I have the pistol zeroed at 75 yards. This keeps the round within 3" of line of sight all the way out to 100yards, and even at 100yards it would deliver near .357Mag at the muzzle energy.
No, I most likely would NOT take a 75+ yard shot with this gun, unless I was in one of the "deer hotel" blinds on the property that I hunt which are heated, they have comfortable office chairs with high back-rests to sit on and sandbag equipped counter top on 3 sides to shoot off of. Even then, if I didn't have the time and position to do it right, that deer will walk away unharmed, to hopefully circle back and give me a 25-50 yard poke at it.

The key is knowing your own limitations and having the ethics to let them walk when the kill is not 100% assured by having the tools and ability for proper shot placement. You obviously have the right tools and it sounds like you have the correct attitude too. Practice will tell you the real/most accurate answer...

Good Luck Ken!

Sorry to revive a dead thread here guys but I thought others may be interested in this too.

TexasHogMan,
I found those Factory Kydex Springfield XD holsters if you are still in need?

There's a site called DVOR. It is a branch-company of Optics Planet.
They currently have the minimalist Springfield OWB holsters which work great with optics on the gun and they are cheap ($15.50).
Unfortunately their site does the sales like an "auction" so, while you won't be bidding against anyone, they only have limited quantities and you only have about 11 more hours from now to get one of these.
Here's the link:

https://www.dvor.com/springfield-armory-xd-gear-holsters.html

Yes, you'll have to create an "account" to buy from them, but it's not a big deal and sometimes, they really do have some awesome prices on different things (search their "Brands" list while you are there; save on shipping if you find something else too).

Quote from: Ronin on February 14 2020 01:11:43 PM MST
The days of finding a 1006 for <$500 is long over for the most part.  You might luck out and find someone who doesn't know or care what they have and price it the same as a .45 or 9mm 3rd gen S&W.  The OP paying $650 was lucky.  Expect to pay $800+.

Thank you....
I thought I had been shopping in the rip-off lane or something because when the OP said he got it for $650, the first thing I thought was "Good Deal!" I've seen them for sale for $1000+, which means you'd be lucky to talk them down to $900 on a good day.
Yea, you definitely want to upgrade the recoil springs.

I had a similar 1006 that I never really fired much, so a couple/few years ago I sold it to a friend of mine for the $600 that I paid for it (MANY years ago). He had a heart problem and he really wanted an older Smith 10mm, so I figured I'd brighten his life a bit.
Well, he died last year, and recently I gathered the balls to talk to his widow asking if I could buy the gun back at a "fair" price, but his twin sons, who are now old enough to own their own pistols, like it too much and it reminds them of "dad"...
Oh well...
I'm glad it makes them happy...  dammit...
LoL

Quote from: BEEMER! on March 24 2020 06:34:08 AM MDT
I have the good safe but my dog died.

My idea on insurance may be different than some.  I have never spent a dime on a gun that I think I would need in a short period of time.  If all my guns disappeared it would not change my way of life except for recreation and hobby time.  None of them would need to be replaced immediately for life to continue.

Now if my house, my car, or, my truck were lost, they would need to be replace immediately for my life to go on.  Those items need insured to the fullest.

In my opinion, gun insurance premiums are way to high for the amount of risk I have.  I have spent far less money on the security system I had installed.  JMO

Very very nice   
Yea, but I bet you'd still cry a little bit if they disappeared or get destroyed; I know I would!

 

Quote from: Texashogman on March 27 2020 12:44:32 PM MDT
I'd post a pic but my files are too large

Oh you can't tease up like that! 

Open up the pics on your computer with a photo editor or even good old "Paint" will work.
Then, look in the menu for "Resize". For quick emailing, I recommend the biggest dimension of the photo to be no more than @1200 pixels.
Then, what I usually do is save it but not before adding a simple ".r" to the end of the filename (to me this means "reduced" when I see it in the name).
Then, you'll still have the original file, and the reduced size one for for easy emailing/posting.

Quote from: Texashogman on March 26 2020 11:01:32 AM MDT
Just looked on Springfield site, they sell a bladetch, alien gear and paddle holster , the paddle says it will not fit the osp and I've contacted both other companies and they cant a sure me the osp will fit their brand either

I remember the "loaded gear" holster you are speaking of and it appears they dont offer it any more

Bummer...
As I said, they were very "minimalist" kinda like a Galco Yaqui Slide Belt Holster for the 1911's.
It worked fine for the 10mm gun because the one I refer to was designed to hold the .45ACP XD, which is the same frame the 10mm guns were developed off of.
You know, I'm not so sure that the .40S&W & 9mm XD holsters of the same design wouldn't also work for the 10mm, since those holsters were screw/spring adjustable for width to tension the pistols properly... It's just C-shaped hunk Kydex, heat it up with a hair dryer/heat gun and stretch the sucker wider if need be.

Maybe look for one at a gun show or something if they can't be had through Springfield anymore.
They sold a crap-load of XD's with this same package of gear, there have to tens of thousand of them out there floating around.
Maybe post to a local gun forum or shooting club that you'd like to buy one. Maybe you can trade it for a few rolls of toilet paper or something valuable like that! LoL..
They're are kinda one of those items which tend to stay in the factory box forever or get lost among the "gun-clutter" in the garage/basement...

I'd definitely be interested in the recoil spring you have. Sounds different than the one from Wolff which is noticeably shorter than the stock one. No, a 1911 spring is a much narrower diameter than the 10mm XDm. I had to make a special spacer on my 1911 purposed recoild spring scale to accommodate the extra girth of the XDm spring.

Quote from: Texashogman on March 26 2020 07:47:41 AM MDT
bought one just like it about a month ago-- I put the wolf 22 pound in it, also the PRP drop in trigger kit and a springer precision brake on it, and a talon grip tape kit on it-- it shoots my 180 grain 1120fps plinkers super soft-- the full house 180 xtp was clocking 1350, but I need to tweak it for accuracy-- the hi-tek coated 200wfn Montana bullets were going 1310, BUT they were seated too long (as I used the load from my ria 52000 for a starting point) and the slide wouldn't close on them-- so I needed to seat them a bit deeper to chamber so I also need to tweak these loads for accuracy---mine has a Burris fastfire 3 and I can hit 10" gong at 100 yards with no problems

the muzzle brake does help the recoil, and my plinkers still cycle just fine with it and the 22 pound wolf spring-- the prp trigger definitely helps out the trigger--the brake made it so my brass is now only going about 5 feet out at a 3:30 ejection zone

I'm having a horrible time finding an OWB holster for it though

Hmmm... I thought I posted this earlier today?

Hey Tex,
What are your thoughts on the Wolff 22# spring?
Is it working as it should for you?

Personally, I cannot get it to push any more than @19# on my recoil spring scale (only @ 1/2# heavier than what the stock is supposed to be).
Even by the highly unscientific "pull of the slide" method, mine doesn't seem to be as heavy as the factory spring either, especially at the beginning of the slide motion due to the shorter length of the Wolff spring vs. the factory one.

I want to use my suppressor with my OSP, so I'd like to have a recoil spring that's at least 22#, if not higher.

Also, on the holster, I have a .45ACP cal. XD which came "fully loaded" with a mag loader, a few mags and a "minimalist" type of OWB kydex holster right from Springfield and the holster works great with the OSP, even with the optic mounted.
Maybe contact Springfield and get one of those. They can't be terribly expensive...

Thanks Guys!
The cool thing is that the same load works just as good with 180g Hornady XTP projos.
The same load actually does pretty well with the Sierra 180g JHP too, but that one groups just slightly larger.

One thing I wish was that it was easier to find heavier recoil springs for the XDm guns.
I tried the Wolff 22# ones out, but they don't work like they should (long story, I went round and round with the factory on them and they didn't seem to understand that their shorter, but heavier wire gauge springs for the 4.5" XDm don't seem give the rated weight they are advertised to.)
Unfortunately even Springfield doesn't have anything heavier available either.
When shooting with a suppressor and full house loads, the recoil is pretty brutal. I don't want to hurt the gun

Instead of getting the new threaded barrel and the slide cut for a sight on my 4.5" XDm 10mm to make it more deer hunting friendly, I went ahead and just got a new gun.
My teenage son talked me into getting the "baller" FDE color, and it has kinda grown on me.
The RMR was a Christmas present from my lovely bride.


The trigger is a little nicer on this gun and honestly, I think this one is also a bit more accurate than my first XDm.
Here's a 25yard, 5 shot target I did last weekend (the blue tape is 2" wide)
180g Montana hard-cast lead w/GC
12.7g AA#9, all touched off with WLP primers.


Mongo likes...

My favorite 1911 out of all the dozen or so that  I own is a stainless Colt Combat Commander.
Great balance.
Faster cycling of the lighter slide.
Love that size..

Quote from: Ethang on November 21 2019 02:26:47 PM MST
I hope to be proved wrong but getting that same old feeling again.

Uhhh, maybe I'm a little more "hot headed" than y'all, but I live by a good old motto....

"Screw me once, shame on me. Screw me twice I'm gonna shove a pistol barrel up your nose until you UN-screw me...".


Good luck...
I'd go knock on his front door.............

I've done a little testing with VV 3N37, and it works pretty well for medium to hot loads too but MAN, since I've done most testing indoors, that stuff is kinda "smokey"....