Quote from: Overkill338 on March 14 2020 11:27:26 AM MDT
They're advertising them at 1200 fps now, so I was thinking they changed them some. Winchester emailed me back and said they have not changed a thing about the Silvertips.

At Target Sports, I recently bought :
Winchester Silvertip 10mm AUTO Ammo 175 Grain Silvertip Hollow Point - rated at 1200 FPS / 529 ft.lb
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/winchester-silvertip-10mm-auto-ammmo-175-grain-silvertip-hp-w10mmst-p-110311.aspx

back in January, I bought:
Winchester Super-X 10mm Auto 175 Grain Silvertip Hollow Point - rated at 1290 FPS / 649 ft.lb
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/winchester-super-x-10mm-auto-ammo-175-grain-silvertip-hollow-point-x10mmsthp-p-762.aspx

So something changed !

The 220 elite in 10mm is very nice. I recently considered one that my LGS got in... However, the SAO trigger was disappointing to me. It had quite a bit of pre-travel, a little bit of creep and about a 5lb trigger pull. I'm a bit of a trigger snob...lol. I could have had some trigger work done but decided to pass on it.

I really wonder how much additional "legal exposure" there would be with an improved trigger on a SD or EDC weapon... I hear this mentioned every now and then.
I mean many weapons have light triggers out of the box... would I be in more jeopardy with a good 1911 ?
What about using hot loads (+P) ? You could make the same argument.
Personally, I would rather have a weapon that has a crisp trigger and that I can shoot more accurately.

PS. I have Powder River improvements on all my XD's & XDm's

Reponse:
"I really don't have any way of knowing. We build the guns here then ship them to our Kansas City office. Where they distribute them. You can try contacting a dealer to see if they can locate one for you. "

Quote from: deepblue on June 06 2019 05:27:28 AM MDT
Thanks ! Inquiry sent...

Quote from: inv136 on June 03 2019 02:38:16 PM MDT
Before you get the RZ 10, check out their Silverback. I have one and I believe it's a step above the RZ 10. The Specialist is even better. Contact them and ask if they have any "blemished" models for sale. I bought my brand new Silverback "blemished" for $1,400 and the blemish was a tiny pinhead sized scratch on the slide release.

Contact them to inquire about blemished models and any other information. I made a special custom order and their VP for Operations contacted me back within a few hours and took my order himself. I ordered a stainless Specialist Commander in 10mm with night sights and a magwell. A magwell will allow you to make quicker combat reloads, but, require you to use magazines with a bumper pad. Took them about 3 months to make it and send to my FFL dealer.

https://danwessonfirearms.com/contact-us/

Thanks ! Inquiry sent...

Quote from: inv136 on June 03 2019 02:38:16 PM MDT
Before you get the RZ 10, check out their Silverback. I have one and I believe it's a step above the RZ 10. The Specialist is even better. Contact them and ask if they have any "blemished" models for sale. I bought my brand new Silverback "blemished" for $1,400 and the blemish was a tiny pinhead sized scratch on the slide release.

Contact them to inquire about blemished models and any other information. I made a special custom order and their VP for Operations contacted me back within a few hours and took my order himself. I ordered a stainless Specialist Commander in 10mm with night sights and a magwell. A magwell will allow you to make quicker combat reloads, but, require you to use magazines with a bumper pad. Took them about 3 months to make it and send to my FFL dealer.

https://danwessonfirearms.com/contact-us/

I really appreciate the input and opinions.

I know the LGS owner pretty well. This gun is a consignment piece. Went there today at closing and he disassembled the gun for me. Went over the whole thing and it appears to be unfired. The barrel has a brilliant shine inside. No wear marks or powder residue anywhere. Said he could knock off $25. So it would be $1175 with the VZ grips and the original grips.

Think I'm sold !!










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So I'm still on the fence. I asked about the original grips and yes, the grips would be included.  The gun is very smooth and has a sweet trigger, light, crisp and short reset. I'm not too thrilled with the sights, They are just plain black fixed sights, not even a dot. My last thought is about the mags. Are they specific to the Dan Wesson ? Hard to find ?  I need to do a little more research.

My LGS has a lightly used Dan Wesson Razorback RX-10 in 10MM. Asking $1200... probably has wiggle room on $ but seems a little high.
I don't know much about this model but love 10mm. It has plain black fixed sights.

Any thoughts or input would be greatly appreciated.

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Yes, it's a very nice trigger, but it depends on your goals and how to plan to use ....  However, be very careful if you install the lightest spring. You end up with a 2lb trigger.
I started with the light spring but found I was pulling double taps unintentionally. Moved to the heavier spring which is about 3.5 lbs. This set  up is better for me.

The heavier one worked better for me.

From the Power River website:

!!!WARNING!!!

This is a high performance trigger kit. It will drastically lighten the trigger pull on your pistol. Do NOT use this trigger kit if you are not an extremely experienced shooter who is familiar with shooting pistols that have an extremely light trigger pull. Do NOT use this trigger kit if you are not capable of safely using pistols that have an extremely light trigger pull. You must follow all firearm safety rules at all times.  Misuse of this trigger kit can lead to injury or death.