Older thread, for the heck of it:

I own a Redding UltraMag 700, a Redding T-7, a Dillion 550, and a Dillion 1050. So everything from a single stage to a true progressive.

At least you should look into a proper turret press like the Redding T-7. I still use it in batch mode, but at least I can fit all dies for 2 calibers on one head. No more die changes and adjustments takes a lot of annoying work out of the equation. The T-7 is wide open from 3 sides. Very easy to feed cases with one hand while using the other on the handle and to feed bullets. Get a Hornday hopper for it.

If I could only own one press, it would be the T-7.

If you really want to go progressive, look into the Dillon 550. Caliber changes are easy and quick, unlike on the 1050.

Quote from: The_Shadow on January 09 2022 02:15:42 PM MST
Engineering Sample check the pressure and velocity...

I have pushed 90gr .380 ACP at 1,350 FPS, out of a G42. That being said, the Super 30 can be loaded up to 60,000 PSI, not just 45,000.

I'm really intrigued by the new caliber. I love everything .32, own a couple .327 FM revolvers and reload / shoot all 5 calibers they can take.

In order to get a feel and visual for the new round, I created one myself. Took a .32 S&W Long case, a SPP and a matching bullet out of my stack, shortened the case to spec, remove the rim, and used .32 S&W Long dies to finish the thing.

I'll be getting at least one pistol in this caliber and can't wait to create my very own loads. Haven't been this excited in a long time!

You guys shouldn't see this as a competition with existing calibers, its finally something new, time to have some fun again!

I offered to buy the rights on the trade name and get this done some 4 years ago. Was declined by the owner with the promise that they will follow through.

What-ever.

This thing is dead in the water since a long time.

By the way: D036-07 is only for sale to ammo manufacturers with license. I think it's safe to say that Underwood is using this powder.

Very nice.

I got some personal stuff done and should be back for uploads soon. Still trying to get the right powder.

I have a feeling that this is the powder. Or 01, which is supposedly #7?

Midway is out of stock. Any other places to order D036-07 from? Ammoseek has no Lovex at all.

Quote from: The_Shadow on January 23 2017 07:48:01 AM MST
Underwood has started using the LOVEX powders like those from Shooters World which are rebranded.  But as I looked them over I didn't see any that fit the visual or the loading data profiles.  DO36-01 very similar to Silhouette & D037-01 very similar to AA#7

I had thought about RS Silhouette (use to be Winchester Action Pistol) but when you study the data it just falls short.  However these 100% copper bullets (Bullet Diameter: 0.3545") do have power bands that reduce frictional surfaces, so that may keep pressures in check.

That's an interesting detail.

I found 2 powders on the same level as Autocomp:

- Ultimate Pistol
- D036-07

http://shootersworldsc.com/propellants/

Any other suggestions from that list?

I'll have to see where its in stock.

Quote from: Intercooler on January 23 2017 04:21:17 AM MST
How about Silhouette?

I'll buy some next time around at a local gun show.

I have both powders here, no match. 


Powder from UW 380 EP pull:





Autocomp:





CFE Pistol:




The powder from the pull has besides the larger kernels also very fine and round powder. Could it be a mix?

Quote from: bobonit on January 22 2017 08:45:05 PM MST
Thanks for the link to the Microscope.  That looks like it could be pretty handy.

For $34.95 it's a no-brainer.

Here's the link to the software: http://plugable.com/products/usb2-micro-200x#drivers

The program is very good and intuitive.

Quote from: The_Shadow on January 22 2017 06:35:59 PM MST
Crockett...hope this sort of helps you get a better understanding, m tools are not quite as scientific as those you are working with.
See #1)The crimp line for the bullet; This measurement is if there was a impression indention ring or not left on the actual bullet as crimped, this would be measured after the bullet was pulled.  Say the bullet is a 0.4000" diameter, during the crimp process some bullets stay the same size or get squeezed down smaller where the casing pinched in on the bullet.  example is 0.3995" or 0.3990" measured with the knife edge of the calipers.

See #2) Hollow point depth can be tricky, as most are tapered from top to bottom, some are stepped and some like the Sig bullets have a very tiny hole below the initial cavity.  I have had to do a dirty measure using a tiny piece of wire to fit inside to transfer that measure to the caliper.  These may not be a very precise measure but more or less to show that the bullet has other properties in it architecture.  Just general info to describe what was found...

Meplat can be tricky as the edges are rounded over, I try to measure the flat diameter itself.  For the Hollow Point I work to measure within the inside the copper jacket

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: (the ammo that is being documented)
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: (advertised) fps
Muzzle Energy: (advertised or based off the velocity and bullet weight) ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: (What's on the headstamp) - (What is the casing made from) Brass, Nickel plated, Steel, Aluminum, etc.
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6790"/Dia. 0.4000": (who makes the bullet & weight)
(#2) HP depth (measurement to bottom of cavity) / HP Dia. tapered cavity, inner cavity  (descriptions of properties) / HP mouth (outside the edge diameter)
Actual weight (bullet weight) Other Notes: (flat base, concave base, tapered,etc.) #1)Crimp Diameter (distinct line or impression caused by crimping action if any) (other notes like bullet sealant)
C.O.A.L.: (Length as assembled or as received)
Primer: Large Pistol, Small Pistol, Other, Nickel, Brass, other color of the primer (primer sealant if any, some are clear and hard to see)
Case: Diameter (measure of the case just above the extractor cut) Crimp Diameter (very edge of case mouth as crimped) (light, medium, heavy crimp description on what it took to get the bullet free)Length of casing (measured casing length)
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: If known, if not and guessing ? ? are placed. Actual measured charge weight...

Thank you for the explanation, now I got everything. I'll work along those lines as good as possible.

Thanks guys.

I still have 3 mags full of old 10mm Underwood Xtreme Penetrator bullets. I'll compare velocity to the new batch soon. According to UW the new ones will be 50 fps slower.

This guy had a G20 Kaboom just recently with current UW Xtreme Penetrator bullets. Not sure if this was posted here on the forum, but I think it's a good fit in this thread nonetheless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dapVWOqMNE


Not sure yet if I'll be aiming for 1550 fps with my clones. My HD firearm is a G40 with Wolf barrel, Ghost Rings, 2 x 30 round mags and UW Xtreme Penetrator bullets. I'm cloning the UW loads for cheaper practice rounds with the bullets from LeHigh.


The scale is the Sartorius Practum64-1S. Bought it from a MNM Scales on eBay. Perfect transaction. They take offers and I got mine for $1364 including shipping.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272099931654?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

It's pricy but so far I'm loving it. It truly weights down to the single kernel. I have a weak spot for commercial / lab / quality grade products.

@The_Shadow: do you have a post explaining your procedures in measuring the crimp diameter after pulling etc? I want to make sure I get it right and correct my data if needed.

I'm working on cloning this ammo with a friend. The powder is so far unknown. Any help finding the powder is appreciated.


Ammo Manufacture: Underwood
Ammo Model: Xtreme Penetrator +P
Ammo Caliber: .380 Auto
Ammo Length: 0.9675"

Muzzle Claimed Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Measured Velocity: 1221 fps (Glock 42, 3.25" AlphaWolf barrel, 3 round average)
Muzzle Claimed Energy: 288 ft. lbs
Muzzle Measured Energy: 298 ft. lbs

Bullet Manufacture: LeHigh
Bullet Type: machines solid copper
Bullet Weight: 90 gr (Actual Weight: 90.128 gr)
Bullet Length: 0.5085"
Bullet Diameter: 0.3545"
Bullet Mouth Diameter: 0.2550"

Case Manufacture: Starline
Case Type: Ducta-Bright 7a Nickel Plated
Case Length: 0.6770"
Case Diameter: 0.3720"
Case Crimp Diameter: 0.3715"
Case Rim Diameter: 0.3700"

Primer: Small Pistol Primer nickel color

Powder Weight: 5.058 gr
Powder Manufacturer: - unknown -
Powder Name:  - unknown -

Quote from: The_Shadow on January 21 2017 10:28:56 PM MST
Yes that site is one I have used regularly, but also like to have actual samples to compare and test results to see how things perform.

BTW they finally updated some of the powders into the database recently.  Still waiting on them to add LOVEX, the powders Shooter's World is rebranding to various names.  Then there are the newer powders from Hodgdon Red, Green, Blue, Target and Unequal.  These are likely going to be very confused with the Hercules / Alliant Red Dot, Green Dot, Blue Dot powders...

Can't wait to get a close look at these as their performance also closely tracks by charge weights.  Target powder tracks like Bullseye and Unequal near Unique and Herco...  Since ATK sold off some of the reloading portion of the market I have to wonder if Hodgdon may have picked up some of the propellants but had to rename them?

I've 34 powders as of right now. I'll compare them down the road when I use them... you never know what powders / names changed or are being used under different names. I might end up with my own database after all.

If you go with the RCBS Chargemaster, better make sure to remove the powder when done. I kept powder in mine for a couple weeks and it ate the plastic inside and encrusted it badly. It is made in China, which might very well explain why they don't use Nitro resistant plastic or even better steel. Design flaw in my book. Pretty sure the Hornady is not much better in this aspect.

They are also not very precise: