Thanks Intercooler, and I am sorry about your experience with the DPM system on your gun. After reading your post I must conclude it is a real and accurate report on your weapon and your experiences. I can only speak for three handguns I have used this system with: Glock Gen 4 G20, Walther P99 .40 S&W (2000 year model), and the Springfield Armory Mill-Spec .45 ACP.
One thing I agree on, it appears to work better on some models than others as far as reduced recoil (compared to stock); however, it DID help on ALL of them, and was worth the $100.00 to spend on ALL OF THEM. There is no doubt that the one it helped the MOST was the Glock G20, followed by a CLOSE second with the Mill-Spec .45 ACP. I believe that Gun Weight, or maybe Slide weight might have something to do with how much you feel in reduction (along with HEAVY HOT LOADS). The photo you showed does not do the device JUSTICE, and the overall length looks to be somewhat "shorter" then the G20 or .45 1911, which COULD affect the travel needed to properly use the Triple Spring (Remember that with G20 and 1911 were dealing with 5" barrels). I took a saw and CUT one in half to examine the TRIPLE spring on the inside of the Rod, and it is cool how they made it work on the PROGRESSIVE SPRING design.
One last thing Intercooler, When shooting your gun using DPM, did you notice the "reverse muzzle flip" after you installed the DPM over stock? That was the part that got me the most. That is where I really seen the grouping gets better as I learned to use it with the system. I might not be calling this by the right terminology, so I will try to explain it and hopefully you can relate.
As you know, the DPM works on the principle of "Triple Progressive Spring" design, just like an automobile engine and its Valve Springs. In Cars (or in my case Drag Racing and HIGH RPM engine power profile), we experience what is known as "VALVE FLOAT", which is where the weight of the valve (in this case the Slide of the gun) determines the spring pressure needed to prevent "VALVE FLOAT", or the Camshaft follower staying on top of the camshaft lobes and not "BOUNCE" and loose contact with the Cam Lobes. The problem here for years was in using a SINGLE VALVE SPRING was if you tried to increase the pressure needed to keep the valve float from happening, the pressure would be SO GREAT that it would Burn the lobes off the cam on flat Tapped hydraulic or solid lifter cams. Many is the time We used to have to take the secondary spring (on a double spring) out of the spring set, start the car using only the LIGHTER outer spring and break in the camshaft, take the heads back off the car and install the second valve spring AFTER the Camshaft was broken-in. By installing the SECOND SPRING the spring allowed us to get the higher pressure while not having all the heave spring pressure of a single spring on the "CLOSED SPRING PRESSURE".
In Sum it all up, the weight of the valve in relation to how far it is lifted off the valve seat in the head could be controlled by using a LIGHTER SPRING FOR THE FIRST HUNDRED THOUSANDS of lift, and as the valve lifted further off the seat the SHORTER second spring would kick in and increase spring pressure as it needed it to keep the lifters from bouncing off the cam lobes!!!
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE WITH THE SLIDE AND DPM PROGRESSIVE SPRING DESIGN. When the slide first begins to move, it is using LIGHT pressure (the outer spring with a LITTLE Of the second spring) where it starts is 9 lbs., then about half way up the length of the rod (slide travel) it rises to around 15 to 17 LBS, then as it nears the end of travel the third spring jumps (about ¾ of the way to the end) to 26 lbs. Now this happens in "REVERSE" that it starts out hard to quickly bring the slide back to the starting point, but the beauty here is it works PROGRESSIVELY in that pressure dramatically decreases as it comes back down so you don't have the "SLAM" down of a single HIGH PRESSURE SPRING!!! As you can imagine, this means that it WONT over sling the muzzle downward near as much since the pressure is greatly reduced as it comes back down to 9 lbs.
That Mr. intercooler was what I was referring to as "reverse muzzle flip", the pulling down of the muzzle so you can re-acquire the target much more easier than with the heavy hit of a single spring. That is where I really seen the difference of this system, which allowed me to DOUBLE TAP using HEAVY loads keeping them in a TIGHT GROUP.
I would like to hear if you experienced this as well as I did, and to thank you for your replies.
One thing I agree on, it appears to work better on some models than others as far as reduced recoil (compared to stock); however, it DID help on ALL of them, and was worth the $100.00 to spend on ALL OF THEM. There is no doubt that the one it helped the MOST was the Glock G20, followed by a CLOSE second with the Mill-Spec .45 ACP. I believe that Gun Weight, or maybe Slide weight might have something to do with how much you feel in reduction (along with HEAVY HOT LOADS). The photo you showed does not do the device JUSTICE, and the overall length looks to be somewhat "shorter" then the G20 or .45 1911, which COULD affect the travel needed to properly use the Triple Spring (Remember that with G20 and 1911 were dealing with 5" barrels). I took a saw and CUT one in half to examine the TRIPLE spring on the inside of the Rod, and it is cool how they made it work on the PROGRESSIVE SPRING design.
One last thing Intercooler, When shooting your gun using DPM, did you notice the "reverse muzzle flip" after you installed the DPM over stock? That was the part that got me the most. That is where I really seen the grouping gets better as I learned to use it with the system. I might not be calling this by the right terminology, so I will try to explain it and hopefully you can relate.
As you know, the DPM works on the principle of "Triple Progressive Spring" design, just like an automobile engine and its Valve Springs. In Cars (or in my case Drag Racing and HIGH RPM engine power profile), we experience what is known as "VALVE FLOAT", which is where the weight of the valve (in this case the Slide of the gun) determines the spring pressure needed to prevent "VALVE FLOAT", or the Camshaft follower staying on top of the camshaft lobes and not "BOUNCE" and loose contact with the Cam Lobes. The problem here for years was in using a SINGLE VALVE SPRING was if you tried to increase the pressure needed to keep the valve float from happening, the pressure would be SO GREAT that it would Burn the lobes off the cam on flat Tapped hydraulic or solid lifter cams. Many is the time We used to have to take the secondary spring (on a double spring) out of the spring set, start the car using only the LIGHTER outer spring and break in the camshaft, take the heads back off the car and install the second valve spring AFTER the Camshaft was broken-in. By installing the SECOND SPRING the spring allowed us to get the higher pressure while not having all the heave spring pressure of a single spring on the "CLOSED SPRING PRESSURE".
In Sum it all up, the weight of the valve in relation to how far it is lifted off the valve seat in the head could be controlled by using a LIGHTER SPRING FOR THE FIRST HUNDRED THOUSANDS of lift, and as the valve lifted further off the seat the SHORTER second spring would kick in and increase spring pressure as it needed it to keep the lifters from bouncing off the cam lobes!!!
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE WITH THE SLIDE AND DPM PROGRESSIVE SPRING DESIGN. When the slide first begins to move, it is using LIGHT pressure (the outer spring with a LITTLE Of the second spring) where it starts is 9 lbs., then about half way up the length of the rod (slide travel) it rises to around 15 to 17 LBS, then as it nears the end of travel the third spring jumps (about ¾ of the way to the end) to 26 lbs. Now this happens in "REVERSE" that it starts out hard to quickly bring the slide back to the starting point, but the beauty here is it works PROGRESSIVELY in that pressure dramatically decreases as it comes back down so you don't have the "SLAM" down of a single HIGH PRESSURE SPRING!!! As you can imagine, this means that it WONT over sling the muzzle downward near as much since the pressure is greatly reduced as it comes back down to 9 lbs.
That Mr. intercooler was what I was referring to as "reverse muzzle flip", the pulling down of the muzzle so you can re-acquire the target much more easier than with the heavy hit of a single spring. That is where I really seen the difference of this system, which allowed me to DOUBLE TAP using HEAVY loads keeping them in a TIGHT GROUP.
I would like to hear if you experienced this as well as I did, and to thank you for your replies.