Hello Everybody, Just thought I would get on here and say I didn't die or fall off the face of the earth. I looked at my postings and it has been a little over 3 years since I have posted anything on the forum. Life really get in the way of thing you want to do . Over the past 3 years I got 2 new knees and a Facet wing fusion on L5-S1. It is looking like my left hip my be in line next. I am 58 and hear my Momma say son you are going to pay for the stuff you are doing, wished I had listened. I told my wife when I die just cremate me in the backyard and take the scrape metal to the recycling place and she would make money off of it. Or my Son could send the metal to Ruger and have a Snubby made out of it. There was a lot of times my dogs didn't even like me and I would get kicked off the forum if I said what people were saying about me. I have also been Homeschooling my Son.  I have missed being part of the forum and I hope I will have time to get back on here and enjoy talking to everyone and reading the discussions.

I'm just now needing to start replacing some powders and primers. I knew what was coming if Obummer got his second term and stockpiled everything I could afford to. I have bought 22lr at normal price but normal price for target 22's isn't the same as bulk. When my son and I shoot 500 rds of 22's is normal 1000 rds is extended and it extended more than not.

I was working up a 10mm load last week and after loading with different powders 800X and LongShot and different powder weights for both powders. I then ran them through the chronograph I came in and told my wife that was the most fun that I have had in a while with my clothes on. Enjoy yourself.

NightHawk Customs posted 4 hours ago they disassembled this 1911 had proof it was a squib load that cause the gun to fail. With ammo manufactures running 24/7/365 and they have every round they can make already sold this could happen more. I have never seen as many recalls on ammo,firearms, and powder just last glad they caught them but it should have been caught and never have left the manufacture. To me reloading your own ammo QC is a lot better. My son has a Ruger 10/22 carbine and had a squib round and thankfully it just bulged the barrel. Found a like new barrel on Ebay $30 shipped when Ruger wanted $115 for a new one and never mentioned replacing it. Factory ammo and he was shooting double taps just couldn't stop because he was into the cadence and multiple targets.

The slide looks cast or over heat treated to me. If Nighthawk uses bar stock it should not look so crystalized. But NightHawk stood tall replacing the pistol even after a so called gunsmith beat and pried the slide to remove it enough to remove the brass.

Thanks for the list I have it Bookmarked for quick reference.

Here is what you do when in bear country. Always take someone you don't like so if a bear attacks you only have to out run them and if you can't out run them then you trip them.

I live 125 miles from the Smokies Mountains and I love to go to Cades Cove. We always see bear and cubs in the spring when we go and it amazes me that people 30 yards away from a sow with cubs and a zoom lens on their camera have to get closer. I'm the heckler in the crowd that hollers I have a $100 for anybody that will go pet Mama bear on the head. Haven't had to pay up yet. The bears can out run a human they can climb any tree faster that a human but they still want to get closer. We have bears come into town. If one gets out of town and comes where I live he has a 50 yard limit before I change to the  magazine with 180gr ball with 10.5 grain of LongShot I carry with me at all times. Just hope it cold weather so I can get it butchered before the meat goes bad.

Only thing I found on their website I could afford was a t Shirt.

Did you see in American Rifleman where Cabot is coming out with a production 1911? $3700 and it will be the first to my knowledge hand fit gun they make. The only hand fitting is slide to frame. Cabot is know for its cnc work that can make parts to 50 millionths. They had a Damascus slide 1911 with gold plated trigger, barrel bushing, slide release and beavertail grip safety it sold for $60,000. To me it would have looked a lot better with out the gold plating. The Damascus slide could have had a little more wave to it also.

Totally agree about the reduced friction and Lehigh's site says they can be pushed to 4000fps. i don't want to be the one testing the 4000fps out of a handgun. I have a box of the Extreme Defenders and looking at a 800X and a LongShot load at Underwood 1700fps. I will PM you the recipe and some pics of the brass after I settle on what I get. I didn't see the Silhouette after the Ramshot my ADHD meds must have worn off when I looked at that one. And 12.2 grs of Silhouette sounds about right but I haven't looked at the pics of the powder yet it wasn't LongShot or 800x so I didn't pay a lot of attention to the pics.

This forum is one of the best out there as far as I am concerned. I stay on the Factory Pull Down more than anywhere else and General Discussion every once in a while. Not interested in the Internet Ninja BS on soooooo many of the other sites. I have my training and I try to improve on as much as I can. With the Pull Downs I can load 50 rounds as cheap as 20. I have always had a 22lr trainer for any of my SD guns but now that I am casting and painting my on bullets I can shoot 9mm cheaper that 22lrs practice 10mm isn't much more. Last time I talked to Kevin at Underwood he was selling every round he made so I don't think the Pull Downs have affected his sales any.  Hindsight is 20/20 I wished I had bought all the AKs I could in the early 80s at $80 each and should them at the last scare. When you said you started reloading in 1978 it made me stop and think when I started. I thought I was 17 but I graduated High School in 1979 when I was 17 so it was 1976 I was in the 9th grade had bought a Ruger Blackhamk in 357 Magnum and used my brothers equipment to reload for it. Guess I can blame him for this 40 year addiction. Don't stop with the Pull Downs i have just about memorized the LongShot and 800X loads I look at them so much.

Shadow I meant no disrespect whatsoever in my post. Swamp Fox had his on pressure rig and I have seen these built by people before and they aren't cheap and the knowledge of how they work and exactly how to set one up and if you are doing more than one caliber thats even more money. I have just always looked at the case and primer to know where a cartridge was at on pressure. Again You and the others on these Factory Pull Downs the data is very much appreciated. We have powders with data we can use that the powder companies won't give us. I would have liked to talked to Mike I think that was his name ( sorry I'm so bad with names I have to look at my drivers license to remember mine) to have been taught what he knew. I have talked to Kevin at Underwood several times but not in a while. The last time I talked with him we were on the phone for an hour and a half. I told him hey you have a business to run I'm going to let you go and he would say but let me tell you about this first. That is why when people ask me about what ammo I carry for SD I tell them Underwood and tell them why. Kevin still wants to connect with his customers. And it is for legal reasons I carry commercial loads. But having their recipe I trust my loading more than I do commercial. I still load on a single stage press pay strict attention to what and how I load.

I bought a 10mm about 2-3 years ago and another about 6 months ago Ever since the 10mm cartridge came out I have wanted one. But the guns dried up and components along with the guns. I have always reloaded my ammo and have shot some but not a lot of factory ammo. I have pushed a little beyond the data in manuals but I knew when to say ok thats enough. IMO none of the loads I see in the factory pull downs are unsafe in new or once fired brass and a firearm in good condition with a fully supported chamber. What does concern me is the people who have not been reloading very long and really don't understand what can change the pressures in a cartridge and see other people list there recipes and try them. I meant no disrespect to anyone and especially the data on the pull downs. They saved me a lot of money and time trying to figure out little by little what was safe and where the limits were. I'm a little on the conservative side and if I want more out of what I see a cartridge will safely do I will go to another cartridge or platform to achieve what I want. With the 10mm and the 220gr bullets doing the same as a 41 magnum and doing it safely and having that data provided by you and the others helps tremendously. All the dedication and hard work shows your passion for this cartridge. I'm happy with what I can do with the 10mm now. I would like to see more of Lehigh ammo pull down in all the calibers from Underwood and LeHigh. I ignored Lehigh out of ignorance not knowing they offered more than just the Extreme Penetrator. The Extreme Defender has really peaked my interest. I have a box of the Defender projectiles and plan on doing some testing of my on.

I'm not blowing smoke with the thanks for the pull down data. Having reloaded since I was 17 and I will be 54 this year I know all the work all of you have put into this. A LGS put a indoor shooting range in and the owner wanted me to do the ammo manufacturing but it had to be separate from the store. After checking on insurance and becoming bonded and the equipment I just couldn't afford the investment. Firearms and ammunition are my passion. You can keep all the sporting events even though I like Football and Baseball they pale in comparison to my love of Firearms. 4 years in the U.S. Army Infantry I was able learn a lot about full auto weapons and other platforms and how everything works. And I have worked on many firearms for people even making parts that you can no longer get.

If anything in my last post offended you or anyone else it wasn't meant to and I apologize. Apologizing  is something I don't do a lot of. I see it as a weakness, you should have thought about what you said or did before you do or say it so you do have to apologize. I never learned to type and I guess sometimes how I write things comes across wrong. I'm not making excuses I tell my kids one excuse is just as good as another so you might as well say you ran out of peanut butter. Now if it is a genuine explanation of why or how something happened or didn't get down that a totally different thing. I hope this clears up any miscommunication.

Underwood 135gr Sierra JHP loaded with 13.4grs of LongShot is 1600fps according to Factory Pull Downs. At that much powder 1.4grs more it would seems like it would have given more than 100fps. I have read the original proof load for the Bren Ten was 55,000 psi. So just like the 9mm SAAMI is 35,000 psi for the 9mm and +P+ at 42,350 psi and +p at 38,500 and proof for the 9mm 48,000psi looks like Swamp Fox was loading +p 10mm. I have loaded 180gr Armscor RNFMJ with 10.5 grs of LongShot with no ill effects to the brass primer was flattened but not pancaked just haven't got to chronograph them yet. Recoil wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be and that was out of my RIA Ultra 5" with the G10 grips and a 26lbs Wolfe recoil spring. Hodogon Manual gives 9.5grs of LongShot with a 180gr bullet at 1287fps and 34,600psi. Hodogon also gives 8.2grs of LongShot over a 200gr Hornaday FMJ going 1172fps at 35,000 psi but Underwood Ammo pull downs list 8.4grs and a 200gr Speer Unicor at 1250fps. So 2/10 of a grain gave a 78fps faster velocity and 1.4 grains on a 135gr bullet only gives 100fps faster. And Underwoods 220gr HC with 8.6grs of LongShot is going 1240fps. A 220 gr bullet in a 41 magnum with 10.1 grs of LongShot is only going 1300fps at 37,700psi and yes I know there is more capacity in a 41 mag case so the pressure is lower but what I am saying the 10mm is just as powerful with this load if the velocities are correct.

Here is the problem we have with the factory pull downs we just don't know what the pressures are on these loads. We can look at the brass and primers for pressure signs and go forward on your on risk. There is so many variables that can change the pressures of a cartridge to me it just isn't worth pushing the 10mm as far as some people do. And once again thanks for the info on these pull downs but for me I think this is enough velocity for me.  I think Swamp Fox proves these loads are safe in new brass.

Are you guessing Ramshot Enforcer or Silhouette? First thing that I thought of was Competition wished Accurate didn't have 3 different Rimshot powders. I don't and have never used them and I new there was no way it could be 12.2grs of Competition that powder is way to fast burning for 12.2grs. That would even be a lot of Enforcer.

Have you ran these through a chrono? I have some of these bullets on the way and I figured 10 grs of LongShot should put it around 1500fps going to see anyways. I have a few others I need to run and just haven't had the time. Hopefully next week I can get them ran. Lehigh doesn't list Rimshot on there load data and the only powder that they list 12.2 grains is Blue Dot. And you would definitely know if it was Blue Dot. I know this is Underwood and Lehigh is from a 4.6" barrel. Wished I could get a factory recipe on LongShot or 800X.

This one has me interested but why did Kevin push this one to 1700fps when Lehigh has theirs going 1500fps and 18' of penetration? I though the whole idea of the ED was to have the same PWC but less penetration? Velocity goes up penetration usually is more. Thats is why I wasn't interested in the EP for SD unless I could get 3 or 4 BGs to line up just right. And I wonder why they are not offering the H.E.R.O. in a 10mm?

DM1906 I am not totally disagreeing with you but there is hydrostatic shock in all projectiles striking a human or animal. How much is what I would like to see bullet companies showing. All the things you mentioned about a bullet hitting tissue is what I am looking for. I agree totally that a handgun that someone is able to control in a SD situation is not anywhere near ideal. It sounds to me you have the data that could help a lot of people decide what does work and does not but we need more detail. There are to many internet Ninjas not saying you are one just want people like you who have been there done that and have the T-shirts to share what you know.

The projectiles we have today are a lot better than 20 years ago but working through all the hype and BS could be more easily shoveled away if people who know and can prove what they are saying shares what they know. when Evan Marshal wrote his book on handgun stopping power the one shot stops percentages were only if the one shot made the person stop what he or she was doing. I followed him for several years as he would post autopsies and the effects a certain caliber and projectile did to tissue. And several of those autopsies were of the 9mm and the bleeding on the brain from ruptured blood vessels in the brain from hydrostatic shock from a 9mm. But there was not enough data only the caliber bullet and that it was a center mass shot.

I have hunted all my life butchering everything I killed deer, squirrels, rabbits,coons, just about any wild animal that I was interested in have for the freezer so I have seen the effects of different calibers and different projectiles. Slaughtered hogs, cows and all of those were put down with a 22lr one shot instance kill.I  am in no way saying the SCHP is the perfect bullet but from the info I have read and it's been all I could find to me shows the SCHP to have an edge on a JHP. And you are right about where and how fast the bullet hits as the effects it has on anything. Worst shot I ever made on a deer was a quartering shot. Through the left shoulder, left lung exiting out the stomach entering back in the male area and destroying a hind quarter. 30.06 180gr soft point complete pass through. 75 yards on the side of a ridge me at the top and the deer going down at an angle. I made a grunt and he stopped and turned to look my way. I had to track that deer for a mile. He dropped half of his intestines after about 1/2 a mile. When I found him he was still alive and I put a 240gr JHP from a 44 magnum into him to end his suffering.

When I seen you were LE I thought if I picked at you a little you would start pouring out what you have seen to clean my clock. And I was hoping you would. I am very interested in what you have to say but in more detail than you have seen it. No personal info just what bullets have done and what they haven't. How many years LE were you? I'm guessing you are LE from the badge as your avatar haven't had the time to look at your profile.