If you don't roll you own ammo; be sure to check out Buffalo Bore, Double Tap and Underwood Ammo. They have some descent loads that may fit within your needs.

I used the Underwood 180gr XTP round for hunting this last Fall. It perform flawlessly on the doe I shot from 30 yards away.

"This is correct.

However, aftermarket Gen3 springs can be used in Gen4 pistols, but an adapter is required (a simple bushing). The Gen4 RSA's are not easily weight-adjustable (yet, but there isn't much in the way of an advantage), so the remainder of my statement was referring to the Gen3 springs, used in either Gen. This is important to folks with Gen4 G20's that don't like certain ammo the shooter might prefer. The use of an aftermarket Gen3 RSA with the adapter will almost always cure that issue (when properly tuned), but loses the advantage of the progressive Gen4 RSA. My "the Gen's don't compare" comment was referring to the pistols in factory form. Adapting the use of the Gen3 RSA in the Gen4 pistol allows it to behave exactly like a Gen3, in regards to action function."

Gotcha.....I thought that were you were going with that, but wanted to make sure. From my experience, there is really not a comparison when one tries to use the 'adapter' in the G4. Just my personal experience; I'm not a fan of the adapter use. 

Quote from: larryh1108 on September 06 2016 12:47:40 PM MDT
Did you get any protests from Rat's Lives Matter?

They're a sneaky rascal! 

Quote from: DM1906 on September 02 2016 10:10:50 AM MDT
Unless you are using Gen3 springs in a Gen4 pistol, the Gen's don't compare. Using a 24# spring is a stretch. The factory RSA is only 17#. A true 20# spring is usually all that's needed for maximum loads, while still able to reliably cycle light loads. If you upgrade the RSA, shoot a mag or two of .40SW. If they all cycle, then it will cycle all the 10mm offerings. If you use a 24# spring and it cycles "light" loads or .40's, it isn't a 24# spring. A true 22# spring won't reliably cycle lightweights. This personally verified with thousands of rounds and weight-measured RSA's, 14-26# evens. 24-26# springs are essentially useless for 10mm (but handy for .40/.45S and .460R).

I may be missing something here, but a G3 spring is not interchangeable with a G4; G3 are a single spring, G4 is a dual spring configuration. Otherwise, don't disagree.

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Quote from: Captain O on September 01 2016 12:30:38 PM MDT

Quote from: redbaron007 on September 01 2016 08:59:09 AM MDT
You are more than welcome to not celebrate the birth. However, for you to say other shouldn't is now just your opinion and like arm pits, everyone has a couple and most stink. 

I never claimed anyone shouldn't celebrate as they feel. I do feel opposed to sociocultural "strong arm tactics" that have been commercially foisted upon society. This is little more than emotional manipulation. I got over it years ago, but people like to engage in forcing others to bow to their will.

This happens on an annual basis.

Dude, that's life.....many want to control others; just like you are trying to control socialcutlure activities.

I don't know this "Dude" of whom you speak. There's nothing wrong with capitalism. Turning a profit is fine, but I don't think the name of God should be made profane in a similar manner when Jesus cleared the temple. No, turning a profit in the name of Jesus' is repugnant.

But it happens every year.

To clarify, "dude" in this case is referencing you; but to be respectful, something I was amiss earlier,  I'll refer to you as Mr. Dude or Captain O...whichever fits my feelings at the time. 

Again, your predisposition for the celebration of Christ's birth is causing your frustration. With this said, you should be irate about every religious holiday; for the culture/society, it's all about money. It's always been about the money. Since the beginning of time, many have used these events to capitalize on gaining more money/gold/furs/water etc.

Quote from: Captain O on September 01 2016 12:30:38 PM MDT

Quote from: redbaron007 on September 01 2016 08:59:09 AM MDT
You are more than welcome to not celebrate the birth. However, for you to say other shouldn't is now just your opinion and like arm pits, everyone has a couple and most stink. 

I never claimed anyone shouldn't celebrate as they feel. I do feel opposed to sociocultural "strong arm tactics" that have been commercially foisted upon society. This is little more than emotional manipulation. I got over it years ago, but people like to engage in forcing others to bow to their will.

This happens on an annual basis.

Dude, that's life.....many want to control others; just like you are trying to control socialcutlure activities. 

Quote from: DM1906 on September 01 2016 11:24:36 AM MDT
Nice shot! I use an air rifle or pistol close to the house for "pest control", as well.

Just a word of caution....
Rats are smart. They don't willingly expose themselves to danger, such as lingering in the open for any length of time. If one, or several are doing that, something is wrong, with the rats. Rabies and other communicable diseases can cause them to do that. If you kill one and are able to collect it, maybe call animal control. Wear disposable gloves or use a tool (shovel). Bleach the area of the kill, any blood spill, and anything that comes in contact with them. And keep your pets away from them! I dispose of them by burning, but that may not be possible in all areas.

Yuk! Forgot about this.......But very true.

When I helped my grandfather on his dairy farm as kid, he said if a skunk/rat/opossum were out during the day...kill'm....they were sick. There were a few times, absent being startled, he had to dispose  them promptly, then sprayed the area with bleach water. 

Quote from: Unimakpass on September 01 2016 10:33:53 AM MDT
Thanks 007, I was hoping this was the case. It sounds like some claim that the gen4 has noticeably less recoil than gen3. My sister is looking into this pistol and that alone, along with the smaller grip, would make a big difference for her.
Looks like I'll be ordering the suggested barrel and spring options.

My two oldest daughters (23 & 21) have shot my G4; one handles the recoil with my setup; however, the other, who has shorter fingers and smaller hand, likes to change out the backstraps, but then only shoots it a few times...not real found of the recoil.

You are more than welcome to not celebrate the birth. However, for you to say other shouldn't is now just your opinion and like arm pits, everyone has a couple and most stink. 

Excellent shot!

Now the problem is the others that are with it.

Like mice, when you finally see one, there are another dozen lurking. 

Start pumping! 

Quote from: Unimakpass on September 01 2016 07:44:20 AM MDT
Hello, first time poster and bumping a old thread. I was wondering if there is any update on the issues discussed here. I have a glock gen 3 that I picked up mainly for hiking and hunting as a side arm in Alaska. Some friends and family are looking into the pistol also but I'm wondering if I should recommend the gen 3 as reliability is the top priority for type of use.
Also as far as upgrades go should I just leave everything stock with reliability priority? Would like to upgrade the trigger (3.5-4lb). Also want to use a 6" barrel. Stick with glock barrels?
  Thanks for any help. Live in Homer but in Kodiak right now hauling freight with a landing craft so will be in and out of phone/internet range.

Welcome!

I will go out on a limb here and say the issues have been resolved. I'm still using the stock G4 spring assembly for all my loads; target to hunting/performance loads. I have not had any issues. I still switch out the barrels; stock for target/plunking and KKM for hunting/lead ammo. If a person purchases a new G4 G20 now, there should be no issues. Although, if they were to buy a used G4, (potentially a 1st version of the G4) they may want to shoot it with target and performance loads to see if there are any concerns. I got my G4 in 2014.

Quote from: Patriot on July 24 2016 07:32:40 PM MDT
Had enough of this guy. Myself and the staff have given him plenty of leeway to give his opinion but I've received too many complaints from members here that said they won't come back because of him.

We support the 2nd amendment. He obviously does not. His constant attacks on Republican candidates and support of anti-gun politicians was unnecessary. He didn't offer up any 10mm knowledge here, and 99% of his posts were in the politics section.

He is banned. Permanent.

Good riddance.

You are da greatest!!

Thx! 

Notice the individual who brought this to light, a union boss. Wonder he will vote for? 

Gary has some good ideas; but this is all he has. Heck, many folks on this form have good ideas; but that doesn't mean you have to vote for them for president. 

However, he has no chance of being elected.

Ever since politics came into play, many thousands of years ago, the one who is seeking office/position has to package themselves to the public and/or voting constituents. Gary has done nothing to package himself for the American people to take notice. If he was serious, he should have made a splash earlier on. Therefore, he is a foregone conclusion only to be trotted out by the liberals to help split/discourage the Republican voting block. Very similar to Ross Perot.

At this point in time there are two legitimate candidates for the presidency; Trump or Clinton. If a person wishes to vote their conscience, that is up to them. But unfortunately, if they don't vote for one of the two legitimate candidates, their vote helps to elect their nemesis.

I know and have heard all the complaints about our two party system and how it needs to be changed, and I don't necessarily disagree, but to change it will take time, most likely after many of us have taken a dirt nap. The process of correcting it, is starting at the local level.

Bottom line, we have system that favors two parties....those are the cards we are dealt with; we have to work within those cards and then try change it....but it can't be done overnight. In theory could it be done, uh...maybe. But there are too many variables that would need controlling that can't be; so theorizing is great coffee cup conversations.

We have an election in November that could have dramatic effects on the future of our kids, their kids and further generations. The incoming president will have to pick at least one Supreme Court Judge, if not more; this in itself is a major concern to vote for one of the two. The defense and protection of this country is at a cross roads. Divisiveness is creating havoc. The President coming in has a tall challenge and needs to have the resources and intellect to tackle these.

The question is, which candidate is the better candidate to lead our country out of the mess? Based upon the two candidates, Trump clearly has the edge.  With Hillary, we will have the same, if not worse circumstances than we have now.

I would trust Trump appointing the Supreme Court; I could not trust Hillary. There are several 2nd Amendment cases working their way through the system; another liberal justice could ring havoc with the 2A and our rights. This alone is enough to vote for Trump.

*Full disclosure, I did not support or vote for Trump in the primary. My guy was Rick Perry/Scott Walker.

Good day! 

G4 G20 here with the OEM springs.

Have shot 155gr to 200gr cast from many of the manufactures, including Underwood and Buffalo Bore. The caveat is I have mainly been using the KKM 6" barrel. I had some feeding issues with some of my target loads recently, but have narrowed it down to a used mag I purchased.

My $.02.