WW...

Well, I have explained my opinion twice to you and your purpose only seems to tear it down.  You are not listening or you cannot understand or your experience is limited.  In any case, I have said what I have said.  If you do not like it, too bad.  I am tired of you and your attitude.  Carry on and go bother somebody else!

WW...

It is easy to explain.  It's easy because I did not explain my point well in the first place.  The rim, of course, has no effect on performance.  But if you take a 41 magnum you get a much longer case that only gives a little bit more power.  The shorter the barrel the less the difference is.  Take a 9mm and a hot 38 Special.  They give about the same performance but the 9mm is much shorter.  So if you put a rim on a 9mm case you get about the same performance as that hot 38 but with a much smaller case that can be put into a revolver with a much shorter cylinder.  Same thing with 10mm vs 41. Then you can maintain performance in a smaller gun. Not that the industry really does that.  It is to say that many semi auto cartridges simply do more with less than a lot of revolver cartridges.... though revolver cartridges are sometimes more powerful.  Just not as efficient.  I've spent years with full moon clips.  It is personal choice to prefer rims. 

And you are quite right that it is mighty difficult for a revolver to match the velocity of a sealed breach semi auto.  But it also mighty difficult for a semi auto to allow the variance in bullet design, pressure, bullet weight and LOA.  So I think, like rims and full moon clips, it is nice to be able to pick your poison. 

I love the idea of a rimmed 10mm cartridge.  Not so much because I can't do without it but because semi auto cartridges are so massively efficient/powerful for their size.  If a revolver were specifically made for the 9mm rimmed cartridge (1980's) and made as small (shorter cylinder) as possible, you'd get a lot of gun in a tiny package.  Same for the 40, 10mm and 45 acp.  Problem is these cartridges either with rims or moon clips are put in revolvers needlessly large for these efficient cartridges.  So we get a Blackhawk, GP-100, N frame Smith or whatever that is sized for a much larger/longer cartridge.  So I can take a heavily loaded 357, lightly loaded 41 mag and all sorts of combinations of existing rimmed cartridges that are already in place.  That is tough to compete against. 

As good as full moon clips can be, America does not have much love for them.  Great ideas often fail as gun owners have a hard to predict mix of tradition, cool, effectiveness and pointlessness.  I think the 6 shot GP-100 in 10mm comes closer than anything else to maxing out the potential of a 10mm in a revolver.  All the more so if the cartridge were rimmed.  Pretty much what Ruger has already done with the GP in 5 shot 44 Special form. 

Sorry.  I know this is some rambling.  But I love putting rims on semi auto cartridges.  Moon clips are good but they are not the end all. They belong as an option on the 10mm case.  But I don't think anybody is going to build a new gun around it and a LOT more existing guns will have to be sold before manufactures will spend any more money on  the project.

Thanks Kenk.  But I do question that number.  I'm pretty sure there are that many just in TX and PA.   

Buffalo Bore IME.  Doubt Tap is good ammo but not loaded as hot.

Ken,

I have shot other Underwood ammo with the light for caliber Lehigh bullets.  While Buffalo Bore shows MV for different barrel lengths, Underwood shows best case velocities.  It should otherwise do everything they claim.  Please share your results.  Going from 1800 fps to zero in 18 inches is an amazing energy dump for a non expanding bullets.  It's true as far as I know. 

That is great news!  Thank you

Sorry.  I don't have any personal experience with the bullet on game but it does fly straight, true and very fast in my guns.  It's reputation is for excellent penetration.  More than you might expect for it weight.  I would use it in a heartbeat. 

Quote from: sep on October 22 2019 10:04:50 PM MDT
Thank you all for the detailed explanation and the input. I really appreciate it. I'm waiting on a Fedex return label from Dan Wesson so they can take a look at it. I'll report back on how this all plays out.

You did the right thing Sep.  The problem belongs to Dan Wesson, not you.  You paid good money for one the the nicest handguns I ever held.  They are a work of art with great pride of ownership (though I do not own one).  They should make it right for you.

Prepare to have a lot of fun!

Kenk.... congrat's.  It will be a new life for you.  It was for me.  All the better that you have met the deductible. 

Quote from: Captain O on October 12 2019 09:16:10 AM MDT
About the old Leftist fossil that's known as Jane Fonda:

1. Someone should tell her that Lip Gloss will not conceal oral hemorrhoids.
2. The skin remaining after her last facelift would make a nice lampshade.
3. Screaming about the fraud known as "Man-Made Climate Change" will not make her any more relevant
4. The last time I saw cheeks like hers, they were on an AKC prize-winning basset hound.
5. The Home For The Terminally Bewildered called to notify her that she left her psychotropic medications next to her bed.
6. The parking meter that takes pennies at the head of her bed needs to be renovated, and the bowl of condoms at the head of her bed needs refilling.
7. The tapeworm she brought back from her last visit to Vietnam is celebrating its 50th birthday. A nice card would be appropriate.
8. Her effort to be seen as "socially relevant" is about as effective as a vial of 90-year-old penicillin.
9. Her career is about as viable as a new venture would be for Elanor Roosevelt.

Dear Captain,

I'm 65 and remember Jane's antics during the Vietnam war. You are too kind in your description of her.  Besides... you have only covered her finer points.  She is much dirtier, lower and more traitorous than almost anybody.  Good men died because of her.

Quote from: sep on October 14 2019 10:00:55 AM MDT
This 10mm bear shooting took place in mid September and seemed appropriate to post in this bear defense thread.

Alaskans Stop Grizzly Bear Charge with Glock 10mm On Elmendorf-Richardson
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/10/alaskans-stop-grizzly-bear-charge-with-glock-10mm-on-elmendorf-richardson/#axzz62LP9Pbo6

Thank you for the link.  Good story.  That is not much of a load with 200 gr at 1041 fps.  But at least this once it was enough. 

Wow!  Nice shooting.  If there ever was a day for you to play the lottery.... it was that day!

I cannot speak for Underwood but it is generally true that the marketed bullet weight is much like the marketed horsepower of a car engine.  All the more so for cast bullets since different alloys weigh in differently in the same mould.  Chances are Underwood has more than one source for their cast bullets so they take "best case" with bullet weight and go on with life.  Nothing dishonest.  Just life as usual with bullet alloys.