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#1
Quote from: DenStinett on February 15 2014 10:24:22 PM MST


The Extended Beavertail in the Video is not stock to the DGC
And Colt shipped the DGCs with either a Rap-around Grip as on the Delta Elites or a set of Rubber Slabs

This looks to be the same as the beavertail in the gun pictured above. Any knowledge on the change from a pebble grain wrap around grip to the checkered pattern version?
#2
Quote from: DenStinett on February 14 2014 11:02:07 PM MST
Quote from: 18436572 on February 14 2014 01:39:13 PM MST
I will start with showing a stainless Gold Cup Enhanced, not distinguishing between Gold Cup and Enhanced features:

SN DG0XXXXE
Apparent features are adjustable rear sight, flat-top, Extended Beavertail, skeletonized Commander hammer, skeletonized  adjustable trigger, extraction port relief cut, front grip-strap relief cut, flat grip strap, diamond checker patterned wrap-around grips Roll-mark on right side "DELTA GOLD CUP."

As far as I know:
Adjustable rear sight - Stock DGC feature
Flat-top - Stock DGC feature
Extended Beavertail - Not Stock to the DGC
Skeletonized Commander Hammer - Not Stock
Skeletonized  Adjustable Trigger - Stock DGC feature
Extraction Port Relief Cut - Stock DGC feature
Front Grip-Strap Relief Cut - Stock DGC feature
Flat Grip Strap (Main Spring Housing) - Stock DGC feature
Diamond Checker Patterned Wrap-Around Grips - Stock Delta Elite feature
Roll-Mark on right side "DELTA GOLD CUP." - Stock DGC feature

At this time the only thing I question in your assessment is that grips. Every other delta I have seen has a pebble grain grip, this is distinctly checkered. it could be a production change, I don't know. The beavertail in the video below seems to show the same one that my pistol had. It looks like the E suffix might just be an ad-on to the serial number for unknown reasons.

This guy is doing some videos apparently from the Colt Archives and has some interesting stuff to share. Here is the video on the DEGC which doesn't say much but some of the other ones from him about the Delta Elite are interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHkqfB9OmHI
#3
Much more sickening if you are the owner of a NIB gun that has that scratch! Too many 1911's do, and I admit I am guilty of once doing this to one as well, even through I thought I knew better and took care while disassembling.  >:(

The two DE's I have handled (not the one currently for sale) are both "used" by all means, with the GC looking like it rolled around in someone's glove compartment considering it is stainless to begin with. BUT, they had appropriate price-tags too. Some people don't see the difference between almost NIB, LNIB and NIB I guess.  I wished the fella luck after getting testy about the details and taking more pictures. He'll sell it at a gun show he says, and he is likely right. I don't "need" one, I just want one, and the right one at that.
#4
I will start with showing a stainless Gold Cup Enhanced, not distinguishing between Gold Cup and Enhanced features:

SN DG0XXXXE
Apparent features are adjustable rear sight, flat-top, Extended Beavertail, skeletonized Commander hammer, skeletonized  adjustable trigger, extraction port relief cut, front grip-strap relief cut, flat grip strap, diamond checker patterned wrap-around grips Roll-mark on right side "DELTA GOLD CUP."

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#5
Sheesh, finally got my bother to admit it is a scratch. As the saying goes, you can pick your friends... 

Thanks for the input on the value of the gun, and also for learning about the variations. That might be worth starting a thread of its own on. :)
#6

Quote from: BEEMER! on February 14 2014 10:05:12 AM MST
You got my curiosity up so I researched it a little further.   Here is what i have found on the 1911 Forum

I have an Enhanced Delta Elite, it has 3 dot sights, raised gold cup style rib, lowered and flared ejection port , high undercut front strap, commander style oval cut hammer, and a duckbill grip safety, I think thats all

My DEGCE has all these features.  The one you pictured does not have the same hammer or grip safety as mine or as he describes.

I have to handle locally a standard DE as well as the E-suffix gun (not the one pictured) has flared but not lowered ejection port, being a gold cup it has the raised rib, undercut strap barely shows under the wrap-around grip, skeletonized commander hammer, and the bigger duckbill safety. I had assumed these were all standard on the Gold Cup, compared to the standard DE I compared it with.

As for the pictured gun,  so far you-all have for the most part confirmed my opinion. I asked for better pics so we shall see. I also asked my brother about any marring of the bolt from action cycling and got no response. I have been burned too many times by my brother's judgment when it comes to spending my money. Money may be better spent on the elusive 1076 S&W.

2 other guns are pictured here:

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#7
This fella wants $1450 for his. I agree, my opinion is that with the scratch it is not NIB. I already told the fella that it's an expensive scratch for an otherwise NIB gun!

I am working through my brother, who I have learned is a sloppy inspector when it comes to details and am trying to get a better picture of the pistol before buying. It looks pretty evident in this blurry picture that there is a scratch in the trigger relief area.

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#8
Oh boy, nice teaser photos!  Very nice convertible options as well.  :P

Both of the Gold Cups I mentioned are stainless, and start with DGO but one doesn't have the E at the end while the other does. And the fact that engraving isn't roll-stamped like all of the others ones I have looked at makes me wonder.

One has diamond pattern grips while the other has pebble grain grips.  I understand they had some variations during this relatively short run, but there seems to be quite a few of these variations and I haven't seen anywhere where they are all identified!
#9
Hey guys, I see lots of traffic here compared to another 10mm forum I visited for quite some time. it looks like this is the current place to visit.  I'm not a virgin to the 10, nor just looking at a gun to flip, but do request some advice from those of you more knowledgeable than me.

In researching a potential buy On a DEGC, I compared this one with another and have a question. I recently inspected one with a machine etched or stipled engraved serial number in digital format ending in E and it is the only one that I have seen. Is this E for enhanced from the custom shop or something or maybe just from the end of the run?  Every other one I have seen has standard stamped serialization.

Second, if  shopping a NIB unfired DEGC all paperwork and 2 mags with a very light take-down scratch in the trigger relief area what would some of you estimate it to be worth? I can only find one that has recently sold at auction to consider when looking at a price.