I'm considering a 10mm long slide 1911.
First thing I need to mention is that I'm left handed, so I need an ambi safety. That cuts out the Kimber and the Dan Wesson, since they don't come from the factory with an ambi. I'm also a bit snobbish when it comes to 1911s with bull barrels rather than bushings, or external extractors. So that has me wrinkling my nose at Sig and Rock Island pistols.
Right now I'm looking hard at a Remington R1 Hunter. A few YouTube videos highlight a FTF problem with the Remington R1 series.
Now when it comes to 1911s, IMO the pistol is still going through break-in during the first 500 rounds, so I ignore any FTFs or FTEs during that period. Also, it is well known that 1911 malfunctions & stoppages can usually be traced to the magazine rather than the pistol itself. So the first thing I do when I get a new 1911 is I get five Wilson Combat magazines, and I only run those magazines, or Chip McCormick's, in my 1911s.
I haven't been able to get a clear answer if Remington R1 series pistols still have FTF issues after a break-in, through cleaning & lubrication, and while using top quality magazines.
Now for a few dollars more I could get a longslide TRP, even though that one has a bull barrel. But recently I have also stumbled across Fusion Firearms, and their 10mm longslide 1911 pistols (currently out of stock). As I prefer the profile of a 1911 without an accessory rail (the R1 & the TRP both come with rails), I may go that route. That would actually be a plus for me, since I could also order the Fusion with three dot sights, and the R1 doesn't come with three dot sights.
Does anyone else know of any good quality current production 10mm longslide 1911s?
"Does anyone else know of any good quality current production 10mm longslide 1911s?"
And is anyone else as fussy when it comes to 1911 pistols as me? Am I being a weirdo, or is it common among 1911 aficionados?
I think it must be common, since good 1911 pistol smiths don't seem to have any difficulty staying busy.
You might want to try Fusion Arms https://fusionfirearms.com/ (https://fusionfirearms.com/)
Give Robert Serva a call
Quote from: The_Shadow on August 09 2020 02:00:50 PM MDT
You might want to try Fusion Arms https://fusionfirearms.com/ (https://fusionfirearms.com/)
Give Robert Serva a call
Yes, I mentioned them toward the end of my OP. Their 10mms are out of stock. They cost a little more than the R1, but a little less than the TRP. And I could get one with exactly the features I'm looking for.
No personal experience with the Remington handguns, but I've yet to hear anything very good about them.
As for 1911's...all the 1911 Geeks I know view a factory gun...ANY factory gun...as a lump of clay they can mold. Most of them will replace half the parts and put twenty-hours of smithing into a factory gun before they even fire it. In the end they get a gun that will reliably shoot one specific load that is tuned to the gun, and it might shoot other loads, too.
I envy their guns...especially the triggers. But it's just too much fiddlephucking for me to deal with when for 1/3rd the cost I can buy a Glock that will shoot any ammo made, all day long, while still letting me outscore them at matches by a significant margin.
Glocks have their merits. I would never tell someone who bought a Glock that they made a mistake. But I love 1911s, and a high end 1911 is a work of art.
Doesn't Rock Island still offer a 6" 10mm 1911
The Match Ultra:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/876144122
I've got the 6" TRP. I'm extremely pleased with it.
Tyler Serva from Fusion Firearms tells me that they will have 10mm pistols back in stock in October.
So been sorely tempted to pick up a 10mm, and looking at various ones. Then I googled what 10mm ammo is currently selling at.
I was reminded why I don't shoot my .45 ACP 1911 much anymore, and why my last pistol purchase was a P320 in 9mm.
I can see my way clear to paying $1800 for a pistol I know I'm going to love, but if ammo is over .75 cents a round I won't ever shoot it.
Thanks for all your help, guys. See you around the range. I'll be the guy shooting mouse farts.
Current at J&G sales, the cheapest 9mm they have in stock is 75¢ per round. 10mm is 50¢ per round in stock. Sounds like you need to buy that gun so you can shoot the cheap ammo that is in stock :P
And if you pick up your brass you can resell it here to reloaders and probably get 8-10¢ per piece.
In normal times I would agree that 10mm is going to run more than 9mm, but you can find it for under 30¢ per round if you shop.
75¢ for a piece of 9mm...unbelievable. I just LOVE the gun rag experts and you tube jockeys who have been preaching the wisdom of sticking with NATO calibers, because there will always be plenty of ammo for them...
I guess another viewpoint is that if you've got $1800 to spend on a handgun, you can probably come up with a few hundred bucks for a reloading press. Roll your own 10mm for fifteen-cents a round.
I know...right.
SG ammo has NO 9mm Luger in stock right now.
But they have 38 Super for 40¢ per...
Quote from: Muskrat on August 11 2020 08:36:13 AM MDT
75¢ for a piece of 9mm...unbelievable. I just LOVE the gun rag experts and you tube jockeys who have been preaching the wisdom of sticking with NATO calibers, because there will always be plenty of ammo for them...
I guess another viewpoint is that if you've got $1800 to spend on a handgun, you can probably come up with a few hundred bucks for a reloading press. Roll your own 10mm for fifteen-cents a round.
I've been actively resisting reloading since the '80s.
Quote from: phydaux on August 12 2020 08:36:16 PM MDT
I've been actively resisting reloading since the '80s.
Ya...that's fine. I started reloading about thirty years later than I should have, in retrospect. But it's not like getting into reloading is like trying to pass the Bar Exam, or getting a Private Pilot's License, or even learning to play a harmonica skillfully enough that you won't bet booed out of a grade-school talent contest. It's actually fantastically simple, not very expensive to start up in, and once you get the hang of it, it's as relaxing as knitting.
...Or spend 75¢ every time you pull the trigger on a FREAKING 9mm PISTOL, which could cost you less than a US dime...your call.
If you shoot a few hundred rounds a year then reloading doesn't make sense. Neither does choosing a weapon based on the price of ammo...at a few hundred rounds a year, who cares?
But if you want to be a
shooter you need to shoot...pony up for the ammo, one way or another. I shot up 400 rounds this afternoon, and to me it was just a great excuse to get rid of a load that had proven to be not as accurate or consistent as I would have liked. That four-hundred round practice session cost me $48 in hard currency.
Again...your choice
Muskrat is right on the money, reloading will not only save you a ton of money, it's also very relaxing as mentioned. One of the biggest things I've learned Is analness is your friend. Get a system of checks and balances in place and never deviate from them unless you come up with a better system. Once you get get that down, it's a really fun hobby
Ken
FWIW the original 10mm Longslide 1911 is the IAI Javelina. I just got mine a few months ago and absolutely love it. It needed a bit of tuning, and the trigger pull is still relatively terrible (standard GI 1911 trigger feel) but it's accurate and the extra weight really tames 10mm recoil.
And with a 7-inch barrel and slide it is a REAL long slide, not like those wannabe 6-inch guns. :D
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It's worth mentioning that my chronograph testing revealed only 50-75fps increase over a 5-inch barrel, depending on the ammo used, not nearly as much as I had hoped or expected. It is much easier to shoot however, thanks to the added weight out front, and longer sight radius.
Very nice
Always thought the (7") Javelina was a "Sexy Beast"
Now if someone builds one as a Double Stack ! ! !
I think the best and least expensive option is either a Rock Island or Remington R1. Or, if you already have a frame, both are available online as a slide only.
The R1 slide can be fitted to a non ramped frame, but if you can find one I advise a complete slide, adjustable sights if not included are a PITA to find. It's best to get one with or without fixed sights they are available online.
The RIA slide as it comes from them has a Para ramp so you need a frame cut for a Para ramp or be willing to have one machined. Again a complete slide with bull bbl, guide rod and reverse plug will keep you from hunting down parts. AFAIK the only source for the reverse plug is RIA direct but, I do not know how they work with individual buyers.
I have the R1 and the Springfield TRP of those two right now I give the nod to the R1. I have had not had FTF issues at all. Accuracy open sights from the bench the R1 has performed better than the TRP. I am thinking about putting a Vortex on both to really test the accuracy.
Since I posted I received and installed a front rail and a older RMR I have and ran the Springfield through some range work. Wella it's operator error or I am not compact at least with the Springfield open sights. The gun printed well under 1.5" with variety of hand loads at 35 yards. So this week I will run some of my hunting ammo through it and dial it in. But it makes me happy so now maybe these old eyes need to invest in more RMRs or Vortex sights ;D
My first 1911 was my 1st 10mm & long slide. I was 1 of the original owners of a Javalina. I loved that gun. pretty damn accurate. I sold because I didn't have much money for shootin and was able to sell it for twice what I paid. Plus there were a fair amount of units that were developing cracked frames.
Heres a pic with my son muggin it for the camera during a shootin session. There was no ammo in it.
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Quote from: phydaux on August 09 2020 01:06:25 PM MDT
I'm considering a 10mm long slide 1911.
First thing I need to mention is that I'm left handed, so I need an ambi safety. That cuts out the Kimber and the Dan Wesson, since they don't come from the factory with an ambi. I'm also a bit snobbish when it comes to 1911s with bull barrels rather than bushings...
You'll be delighted to know that you are mistaken about Dan Wesson here. True, the Bruin does not have an ambi safety, but the new Kodiak does! And what's more, it has a bushing-less bull barrel. It might be the perfect gun for you. I just ordered one with the tri-tone finish, which I think is absolutely gorgeous! I couldn't be more excited to get the thing.
Absolutely a sharp looking weapon. I struggled with the $1,400 I paid recently for my Sig P220 Hunter, looks like the Kodiak's are 2k +
I've lusted after the Bruin, then the Kodiak. my other Dan's have me convinced that, while expensive, they are a great value. The Springfield TRP 6" is a nice piece . I had 1 for about a month before I decided to sell it to fund my Banshee.
For whatever reason, I want to add a 6" & 7" to my collection.
Too many choices, not enough $$$
So true, but an unfortunate reality for many
Ken
I know that its not a 1911, but have you thought about the CMMG BANSHEE? Its a hoot. I sold my TRP to finance my BANSHEE, and never looked back. It puts a smile on my face everytime.
Quote from: phydaux on August 09 2020 02:59:38 PM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on August 09 2020 02:00:50 PM MDT
You might want to try Fusion Arms https://fusionfirearms.com/ (https://fusionfirearms.com/)
Give Robert Serva a call
Yes, I mentioned them toward the end of my OP. Their 10mms are out of stock. They cost a little more than the R1, but a little less than the TRP. And I could get one with exactly the features I'm looking for.
Sounds to me like Fusion is the way to go since you can get exactly what you want. You'll just have to wait a bit to get it.
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Quote from: DenStinett on September 21 2020 09:22:19 PM MDT
Very nice
Always thought the (7") Javelina was a "Sexy Beast"
Now if someone builds one as a Double Stack ! ! !
A double stack 7" 10mm would be great!
...don't know how one can't reload and do any amount of shooting...especially if one wants to get good. I started loading for shotgun in 1966 and rifle shortly there after. In 1970 when I bought my first handgun I bought a mold, dies and brass and never fired a factory round out of the gun.
As to Longslides...I bought one of the last PARA-USA Elite LS Hunter models before they moved the operation to the Remington plant. It's extremely accurate and zero fails to cycle.
Have been looking at the Dan Wesson Bruin and the Kimber Stainless Target...stupidly I passed on a couple of Bruins at auction that went in the $1500 range and several Kimbers in the $850 range...
Last week was at a big gun shop that I had not been to since last January...and although their inventory was 80% down they did have a Kimber for $1080.00...and a LNIB one for $750...so it is now in the safe...
Pays to be patient....
Bob
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That's a nice one. But I'm a lefty, so I need ambi controls.
..I am no gunsmith or mechanic but have managed to put two or three ambi safeties in a couple of 1911s...there isn't much to it usually. That and ANY local smith can drop one in in about 20 minutes...
Bob
"A double stack 7" 10mm would be great!"
Better start doubling up on your Wheaties! LOL
RJM52,
Whats your assessment of your Kimber?
The Kimbers that I've owned were "nice" but not in the same league as a Dan Wesson.
I compliment you on your find and purchase of your Kimber. Seems like a great deal.
Quote from: phydaux on December 16 2020 04:27:48 PM MST
That's a nice one. But I'm a lefty, so I need ambi controls.
Adding an ambi safety is no biggie, I wouldn't let that option be a deal breaker. That said the Rock Island comes with the ambi safety. Mine is a 5" model but I have a Rem R1 longslide on my Springfield .45 V16 lower, and be aware the R1 uses unique dovetails for their sights and if you have a problem with the stock sights you have a problem.
I have two Kimber Stainless Target IIs that started off as .38 Super and 10mm... Had the .38 Super for many years before deciding to get a 10mm not realizing that all I needed was a barrel for the Super... They both have been excellent shooters right out of the box.
https://singleactions.proboards.com/thread/24056/all-1911
The fit and finish of this Long Slide is flawless...super tight fit of all parts and the finish is super smooth. Have no doubt it will shoot as good as the Target IIs do.
DW make a NICE gun. Just bought my first one last year this time. It is a Guardian in .38 Super. Would like a Bruin 10mm LS but they are well over double the price of the Kimber I just bought.
Bob
I am a south paw also. Adding a ambi safty is easy and I have bpught a kimber 1911 in 10 mil. Rock island has a 6 in match both are good guns , i have both. Now a left ejection port would be nice, only gun I know was Randal firearms mid 80s , they made south paw 1911
As to lefty 1911's I have seen a Detonics from the 70's that was built for a lefty in person. Left sided ejection, magazine release, ambi safety and left twist rifling in the barrel. The only ones I've seen since were some customs done by Cabot Guns in a magazine article. If I remember the article correctly, the left handed slides were originally made by Caspian, but I could very well be wrong, it was a long time ago that I read that.
I don't think that Detonics ever made a left handed 1911.
Randall did make them though in that time period.
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It's quite possible I'm mistaken, it was a pistol I saw in a case at the very first gunsmith I went to around 20 years ago to have an ambi safety put on my first 1911. I'm pretty sure the gunsmith said it was a Detonics that he used in competition himself. But again, it was a very long time ago and I am getting up there a bit, so I could be misremembering.
Got to shoot the new Kimber Long Slide along with the PARA-USA Hunter on the 24th... Both shot the same size groups.
Only issue with the Kimber was with some 200 grain hard cast rounds. Was just putting five rounds in a magazine and one out of each mag would FTF to some extent. The last time it happened the slide was just a 1/4" short of going into battery... Only ran 15 of them through the gun and may just need a little more break-in.... Some Gold Dot HPs and some plated Berry's 155 TC loads all ran fine...
Quote from: Mike D on November 26 2020 06:52:18 PM MST
Quote from: phydaux on August 09 2020 02:59:38 PM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on August 09 2020 02:00:50 PM MDT
You might want to try Fusion Arms https://fusionfirearms.com/ (https://fusionfirearms.com/)
Give Robert Serva a call
Yes, I mentioned them toward the end of my OP. Their 10mms are out of stock. They cost a little more than the R1, but a little less than the TRP. And I could get one with exactly the features I'm looking for.
Sounds to me like Fusion is the way to go since you can get exactly what you want. You'll just have to wait a bit to get it.
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After my experience with Fusion parts while building my own 10mm longslide...which started out with mostly Fusion parts and I basically paid for 2 guns as I had to replace most of them....I'd stay far, far away...surf the internet I'm not alone. I bought a Fusion "trigger kit" for example, I had a 9.5lb pull. Bought a replacement from Cylinder and Slide and it came in around 4lbs. Changing nothing else. Pretty much everything from Fusion was out of spec. The only thing I retained was the barrel, and I'm waiting on good weather for shooting but still not out of the woods with that.
Quote from: phydaux on August 09 2020 01:06:25 PM MDT
I'm considering a 10mm long slide 1911.
First thing I need to mention is that I'm left handed, so I need an ambi safety. That cuts out the Kimber and the Dan Wesson, since they don't come from the factory with an ambi. I'm also a bit snobbish when it comes to 1911s with bull barrels rather than bushings, or external extractors. So that has me wrinkling my nose at Sig and Rock Island pistols.
Right now I'm looking hard at a Remington R1 Hunter. A few YouTube videos highlight a FTF problem with the Remington R1 series.
Now when it comes to 1911s, IMO the pistol is still going through break-in during the first 500 rounds, so I ignore any FTFs or FTEs during that period. Also, it is well known that 1911 malfunctions & stoppages can usually be traced to the magazine rather than the pistol itself. So the first thing I do when I get a new 1911 is I get five Wilson Combat magazines, and I only run those magazines, or Chip McCormick's, in my 1911s.
I haven't been able to get a clear answer if Remington R1 series pistols still have FTF issues after a break-in, through cleaning & lubrication, and while using top quality magazines.
Now for a few dollars more I could get a longslide TRP, even though that one has a bull barrel. But recently I have also stumbled across Fusion Firearms, and their 10mm longslide 1911 pistols (currently out of stock). As I prefer the profile of a 1911 without an accessory rail (the R1 & the TRP both come with rails), I may go that route. That would actually be a plus for me, since I could also order the Fusion with three dot sights, and the R1 doesn't come with three dot sights.
Does anyone else know of any good quality current production 10mm longslide 1911s?
rock island tac 2 ultra comes in a long slide/commander size I own one and it is very accurate with whatever I feed it, mines a few years old and is the fde version, look into them they are ambi safety.....