Once in awhile the ambidextrous thumb safetie on my Rock Ultra FS HC 10mm engages by itself after taking a shot. Is this something that any of you run into?, and if so, any suggestions on a fix for it.
Thanks
Ken
Quote from: Kenk on May 16 2020 08:15:47 AM MDT
Once in awhile the ambidextrous thumb safetie on my Rock Ultra FS HC 10mm engages by itself after taking a shot. Is this something that any of you run into?, and if so, any suggestions on a fix for it.
Thanks
Ken
This is the reason I ride my strong hand thumb on the paddle safety. The problem is on a gun with an ambi safety the other side digs into my hand pretty badly.
My solution is to change them to a non-am I safety. I'm actually doing quite a bit of upfit work to my Rock Ultra this weekend.
Stay tuned. [emoji1303]
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Hey Mike, do you have a link to the manufacture that makes that safety?
Thanks man!
Ken
Quote from: Kenk on May 16 2020 11:08:49 AM MDT
Hey Mike, do you have a link to the manufacture that makes that safety?
Thanks man!
Ken
Any 1911 thumb safety should work but they are not normally drop-in replacement and may need fitting for the sear engagement.
Wilson Combat is pretty popular.
https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/safety-parts/safeties/1911-extended-thumb-safety-prod16467.aspx?avs%7cMake%7e%7eModel_1=1911__Government
Ken, is the stock safety loose enough to be bouncing up and catching due to recoil? Definitely not bumping it up yourself?
I know you're a lefty, like me. I think 5pins post was autocorrected and he was telling you to install a non ambidextrous safety.
I don't ride the safety on my 1911s as it stresses the connection between the 2 paddles and eventually they can get sloppy. The last ambi safety I installed was one of these, https://www.edbrown.com/product/ambisafety/ It does require proper fitting to the sear. I've used the Wilson Combat ambi safety in the past. It's a quality part, but the right paddle is a little smaller. The Brown is the same on both sides.
Afternoon Graybeard, the safety has a nice audible click when I switch it on an off. My concern, as you mentioned is that recoil may be causing this, and if so, the RIA will be removed from my carry rotation until it has been corrected. I will pay close attention next weekend when I'm out, and report back
Thanks again!
Ken
Quote from: Kenk on May 16 2020 11:08:49 AM MDT
Hey Mike, do you have a link to the manufacture that makes that safety?
Thanks man!
Ken
Ken if you carry yours I wouldn't recommend this safety as it will be easily clicked off but here it is.
I bought the single side extra wide one. It definitely has to be fitted.
https://infinity.americommerce.com/safeties.aspx
I also put in a Fusion trigger,Harrison true radius sear and a Cylinder & Slide leaf spring and the trigger is VERY NICE now.
I'm having trouble fitting the Bar-Sto barrel though. I may have to send the gun to them for fitting because I don't want to mess up a $400 barrel.
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Thanks, if this works for the RIA FS / HC 10, could you please send me the direct link to the manufacture
Thanks man!
Ken
Quote from: Kenk on May 17 2020 07:36:56 PM MDT
Thanks, if this works for the RIA FS / HC 10, could you please send me the direct link to the manufacture
Thanks man!
Ken
If you talking to me Ken, do you need single side or ambi? Are you a leftie?
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Hey Mike, yes, it's an ambi, and I am left handed
Thanks!
Quote from: Kenk on May 18 2020 05:22:47 AM MDT
Hey Mike, yes, it's an ambi, and I am left handed
Thanks!
Here you go Ken.
http://infinity.americommerce.com/thumb-safety-ambi-extra-wide-right-side.aspx
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Thanks man!
Ken here's some pics of the safety installed.
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Nice, Thanks Mike
That is a wide thumb safety. I mean I would have to take two steps before I could jump off the edge.
Ken, if you like the safety but it is too wide, just file it back and hit it with some cold blue.
Thanks, I really the safety Mike recommended, but am struggling with the $145.00 price tag
https://cylinder-slide.com/Item/CS0077WB Similar for $57. They make a stainless one for $60.
https://www.edbrown.com/product/ambisafety/ $64 for this one. I fitted one of these to my Kimber TLE II 10mm. Standard paddle width on both sides.
Thanks man!
Morning Graybeard, is the Ed Brown safety something a smith would have to fit / install?
Quote from: Kenk on May 29 2020 08:04:52 AM MDT
Morning Graybeard, is the Ed Brown safety something a smith would have to fit / install?
It does require fitting. I've noticed that the Ed Brown parts I've purchased all have been a little oversized for just that purpose, a nice custom fit. You could give it a try yourself. There are several good videos out there. Even if you screw it up, for the cost of a gun smith fitting it, you could buy another one and try again.
Quote from: sqlbullet on May 28 2020 10:47:26 AM MDT
That is a wide thumb safety. I mean I would have to take two steps before I could jump off the edge.
Ken, if you like the safety but it is too wide, just file it back and hit it with some cold blue.
It's definitely wide. They make 2 sizes smaller as well. I want the extra wide one for the application this pistol will be used for. I wouldn't recommend it for carry.
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Looking into one now, Thanks guy's!
Quote from: Graybeard on May 29 2020 09:06:03 AM MDT
Quote from: Kenk on May 29 2020 08:04:52 AM MDT
Morning Graybeard, is the Ed Brown safety something a smith would have to fit / install?
It does require fitting. I've noticed that the Ed Brown parts I've purchased all have been a little oversized for just that purpose, a nice custom fit. You could give it a try yourself. There are several good videos out there. Even if you screw it up, for the cost of a gun smith fitting it, you could buy another one and try again.
The thing about 1911s are there are very few drop in parts, almost everything has to be fitted. Some of it is fairly easy once you have a good understanding of how the parts interface. Some of it is more complex. I bought a Bar Sto semi fit barrel that I finally called uncle on and will be sending the gun to them to be fitted. The cost to have them fit is vs ruining a $400 barrel will be worth it.
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I would agree with Mike D 100%. But that's what makes a properly fitted and tuned 1911 such a pleasure to shoot.
RIA is sending me a new plunger spring in hopes that will fix the safety issue. Is swapping this out very difficult?
Thanks
Ken
Quote from: Kenk on May 29 2020 11:47:53 AM MDT
RIA is sending me a new plunger spring in hopes that will fix the safety issue. Is swapping this out very difficult?
Thanks
Ken
You will have to remove the safety which can be tricky if you aren't familiar with how to do it.
Unless they are sending a heavier spring it likely won't fix the issue.
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Ken, is there any chance the plunger tube is loose? It should be tight up against the frame with no wiggle.
Hey Graybeard / Mike D. A friend suggested that I stretch the new spring slightly, thus stiffaning the ambi safety a bit more, is this something I would benefit from?
Thanks
Ken
Quote from: Kenk on June 01 2020 11:19:36 AM MDT
Hey Graybeard / Mike D. A friend suggested that I stretch the new spring slightly, thus stiffaning the ambi safety a bit more, is this something I would benefit from?
Thanks
Ken
It may work as a temporary fix but I wouldn't consider it a long term solution.
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I'd agree with Mike D. If it makes a difference in it's original configuration and solves the problem, that's what the problem was. If it doesn't make a difference, and I don't think it will, look to another solution. Don't forget the other end of that spring keeps the slide stop in. Plunger springs aren't terribly strong or you would have difficulty getting the gun apart.
Thanks, the replacement spring should arrive today or tomorrow, and will let you know
Ken
Mike D / Graybeard,
Any thoughts on who offers a stronger plunger spring that would work in the ROCK Ultra FS HC - 10mm? Shawn, RIA's head gunsmith recommended this, but opted out of telling me where to get one. Any direct URL's to get one would be great
Thanks again!
Ken
I don't know of anyone that markets an extra strength plunger tube spring. That's not to say that some aren't stronger than others, I've just never seen one described that way. Remember though, the other end of that spring pushes on the plunger that prevents the slide stop from engaging prematurely. Too strong a spring may stop the slide stop from locking the slide on empty. I doubt that will occur as your double stack mags probably have pretty strong springs, as well.
EGW and other makers of fine 1911 parts sell plunger tube springs for about $1.50 a pop. You may have to send some emails or roll the 🎲 🎲.
Thanks Graybeard!
RIA is having me send it to them for repair 😀
RIA out of Nevada is impressive on their repair turnaround time. My Rock Ultra arrived last Friday and will be back in my hands this Friday by 8pm 😀
Ken
No, it's not to wide, and I do not ride the safety. Now that RIA worked on it, everything is good except for the safety engaging after 2 or three shots fired...same as before. I contacted Shawn Fairbairn, Armscor's / Rock Island Armory Manager / Chief Gunsmith again today to find out what the next steps are, as this was not resolved the first time around. They told me previously the weapon's safety was tested, and all was good, but with what ammo were they testing with?, as much that I shoot is likely more jarring than their Armscor 180gr stuff, vs one of my favorites, UW's 135gr fun pack : ) Looking forward to Shawn's response
Ken
Quote from: Kenk on August 17 2020 06:45:21 PM MDT
No, it's not to wide, and I do not ride the safety. Now that RIA worked on it, everything is good except for the safety engaging after 2 or three shots fired...same as before. I contacted Shawn Fairbairn, Armscor's / Rock Island Armory Manager / Chief Gunsmith again today to find out what the next steps are, as this was not resolved the first time around. They told me previously the weapon's safety was tested, and all was good, but with what ammo were they testing with?, as much that I shoot is likely more jarring than their Armscor 180gr stuff, vs one of my favorites, UW's 135gr fun pack : ) Looking forward to Shawn's response
Ken
Ken I think you are going to find your hand position is causing the issue and nothing is faulty with the gun safety.
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Thanks Mike, and yes, your likely correct on my improper hand positioning, plus I've yet to embrace the thumb resting on top of the paddle trick. Shawn from Armscor / Rock Island Armory sent me a an overpower plunger spring as he called it and should be arriving today or tomorrow. I will say, the ambi safety on my new P220 Hunter is pretty amazing, but at twice the cost of the RIA, it better be
Ken
Yeah..Definitely ride the safety on a 1911.
Quote from: sqlbullet on August 20 2020 10:58:10 AM MDT
Yeah..Definitely ride the safety on a 1911.
Ken's a lefty, like me. Riding an ambi safety can be a recipe for problems, depending on which ambi safety. My strong hand thumb pad always lands on the top grip screw. Easy and repeatable, it's always worked for me.
Thanks Graybeard, will give it a try this weekend
Ken