I am new to loading 10mm ammo but not new to reloading.
I load on a dillon xl650
I ordered once fire range brass and most of the brass is ok. The problem I am having is with S&B brass and priming. It is just mangling primers.
Anyone else have these problems ?
Also see Blazer Brass with small primer pockets.
Any help with brass choices would be greatly appreciated
Thank you in advance
Hey Old454,
New Starline brass isn't terribly expensive and has served me well
Ken
Old454, welcome to the forum! You may have some brass that has staked pockets as several are doing this these days. S&B brass may even have slightly smaller primer pockets on their newer stuff. You can Swage or ream the pocket and or use a tapered reamer to cut the staking...
Also be were that there can be small primer pocket brass as well, usually stamped "NT" for Non Toxic
If you have a small primer pocket reamer try that to see if it helps with your priming situation!
Best regards and good luck! :D
I've found S&B brass to be bombproof...good for a dozen or more reloads, but I hand-prime.
I think I have an alignment problem with my dillon xl650. Dillon is sending me an alignment tool.
That should help with seating in S&B cases.
Now I am finding Blazer brass that is small primed... uggg not fun lol
Quote from: Old454 on April 28 2020 06:09:57 AM MDT
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Now I am finding Blazer brass that is small primed... uggg not fun lol
Really? 10mm brass with small primers? Or 45 ACP brass with small primers?
This is the third report I have had of 10mm small primer. Small primers are the wave of the future most likely for all but the very largest volume cases. A small primer has plenty of pop to light 15 grains of powder and carries far less highly toxic compound.
I too just got some misc brass including some S&B brass. I haven't worked with these yet, but if I were having the issue you are I would first use this tool;
https://www.amazon.com/RCBS-90387-Military-Crimp-Remover/dp/B0063IDEK6/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=rcbs+military+crimp+remover+large&qid=1588110838&sr=8-2
And then use this;
https://www.amazon.com/RCBS-Primer-Pocket-Uniformer-Large/dp/B000N8N3GM/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1P0ZZHQBUBGEN&dchild=1&keywords=rcbs+primer+pocket+uniformer&qid=1588111029&sprefix=rcbs+primer%2Caps%2C350&sr=8-2
The first tool will clear the way for the uniformer tool. If this doesn't help holler back.
I've haven't heard all good things about S&B brass, but I'll find out for myself soon..
You can find these about anywhere online or at a good gun shop, just happened to have Amazon up..
Hey just an update..
So I was punching out primers on the mixed 10mm brass, getting them ready for SS pin tumble, I noticed some spent primers were noticeably more difficult to punch out. When I looked at the head stamp.. S&B every time. CBC's are staked in and some of those had more resistance coming out, but not as much as the S&B's.. Hmm.. More later
Quote from: RDub01 on April 28 2020 04:01:42 PM MDTI would first use this tool...
I have Dillon's Super Swager (I drink blue Kool-Aide), but I'm not even sure it'll work with pistol cases...
Best option for primer pocket swage: Dillon Super 1050 (I guess now 1100 or 2000 processor)
Best option for primer crimp ream: RCBS Chamfer / Debur 17-45 tool. The "tail" on the debur side of this tool can be chucked into a drill and really quick buzz in the primer pocket removes any crimp. Be very careful, you can remove too much if you go more than about a half second.
Runner-ups I have tried: RCBS Primer Pocket Swage dies. Don't waste your money.
Viable options I haven't tried: Dillon Super Swage. While $114 + $22 for the 40 S&W adapter seems a bit steep, if you have a bunch of brass on you have to swage instead of ream, this is probably the option. If you just have a couple hundred, just use the chamfer tool
I have been using the Primer pocket reamers when I need to, I use mine in a hand held handle, although they can be mounted in the case prep machines.
(https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/Primary/146/146201.jpg?imwidth=2200)
Recently I acquired a Lyman pocket uniformer that works well too!
(https://www.thefirearmsforum.com/attachments/253550-jpg.145596/)
Quote from: Bimmer on April 29 2020 01:59:25 PM MDT
Quote from: RDub01 on April 28 2020 04:01:42 PM MDTI would first use this tool...
I have Dillon's Super Swager (I drink blue Kool-Aide), but I'm not even sure it'll work with pistol cases...
Hey Bimmer
I've never used the Dillon tool but I'm sure it works fantastic on 5.56 and or 7.62x51 brass if you load those. Can't say how it would work on 10mm..
I use the RCBS Bench Swager for 7.62 Nato/5.56mm and it works great for that. Then I started using the RCBS Military Crimp Removal Tool as I can install it on the Case Prep Center and just add that process to all the other case prep operations. The Removal Tool will put a commercial bevel on the mouth of the primer pocket without any guess work, quick and easy. You can't go too far with it. If you don't have a prep center, you can use a handle or a cordless drill.
I've actually seen range brass where way too much of the primer pocket was eaten away!.. Someone didn't understand the concept..
Anyway I thought this would be an inexpensive solution to the funky primer pockets we're running into.
I have the Lyman case prep machine that will uniform the primer pockets.
As far as taking out military crimps I use a counter sink and a drill it works very well and is really fast.
I have used it on 5.56, 7.62... I will pull all my S&B brass and uniform it all and Monday my alignment tool for my press gets here from dillon.
I will try to post some pics of this S&B primer problems and the small primer cases
Hmmm how do you resize pics so that I can post them ?
Most use a hosting site to store the pictures...
Hey Old454
I use Irfanview; super easy app to use.
If you are using Windows and you know if your system is 32 or 64 bit, you can d/l it here; and it's free
https://www.irfanview.com/main_download_engl.htm
Well I just got done loading 50 Sellier & Bellot cases. After treating the primer pockets with the crimp removal tool, primers went in smoothly, no issues. These were all the large primer size.
Now some actually went in without a treatment, but as soon as I ran into issues I treated them all.
Out of all these different brands of 10mm cases, the only ones that I had issues with, at least with this 165gr FMJ, were the PMCs.. They had a time getting in and out of the LEE Factory Crimp die. Not terrible, just some noticeable resistance.
So now we'll see how they all handle several loading's...
I realigned my press with Dillon realignment tool.
Took 10 S&B cases and sized and primed them.
No go... primers smashed just as before...ugg
Took 10 more S&B cases sized and deprimed
Uniformed primer pockets and used large primer military crimp removal tool on my Lyman case prep.
Out of the 10 4 primed perfect
6 was better then before but still had smiles and a bit deformed and unusable.
I think after alignment of press and disk time on the timing block and all other cases primed easily.
I think these primer pockets might be off center a bit and there fore will be feeding my scrap bucket.
I might try installing the 10mm set up to my other dillon that I use for all small primer loading and see if it runs on that press.
Quote from: Old454 on May 04 2020 08:10:37 PM MDT
Took 10 more S&B cases sized and deprimed
Uniformed primer pockets and used large primer military crimp removal tool on my Lyman case prep.
Be careful if you are using a large rifle primer crimp removal as it can cut too deep, because Large Rifle primers are taller that large pistol primers.
The bevel on the entrance of the pocket is where you can make the most difference so the primer can be guided inside.
This is interesting to me. I've never had any issue priming any pistol brass. I've never even cleaned a primer pocket, much less reamed one. Maybe I've just been lucky?
Honestly... pistol brass no I have deprimed and pin washed.
Rifle I have cut the military crimps out. But never pistol brass.
My pics are to big and wint let me down size them to post them.
My personal opinion is S&B is garbage brass.
But everyone knows how opinions are 😄
Oh I use a small counter sink chucked in my cordless drill to remove military crimps. Works really well to cut a small radius into the primer pocket mouth
I've come across quite a bit of S&B brass in 10mm and 45ACP, range pickups.
S&B seems to have tighter pockets than other brands.
I like this, as I usually get loose pockets before case splits in my 10mm liads.
Also, have used S&B primers in Hornady LnL AP.
They have less of a radius on corners than other brands, only brand to give me issues in the Hornady press.
Quote from: Old454 on May 01 2020 04:42:10 PM MDT
Hmmm how do you resize pics so that I can post them ?
Within the first [img] thingy, after the g but before the ], I add (a space), followed by
width= and a value (I use 950)
You may have to use trail and error to find your sweet-spot
It'll look like this; [img width=950]
Gets (most) my pics so they fit the page
As for Brass, try and see if these guys still have any 10mm:
CHRISTENSEN RELOADING & SUPPLY
https://b5d13ef4-090b-40cc-a064-2edb66824888.filesusr.com/ugd/98ace9_e40be9ce091345c0a1b9988bf88b79b9.pdf
Graf & Sons
https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/520?
And of course, MidwayUSA:
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=10mm+brass&userItemsPerPage=48
Good luck
I loaded up some S&B range brass this weekend and also found primers a little more challenging to seat vs. SIG brass. Not enough of an issue to need to ream/swage, they did go in OK. When I need to open up staked primer pockets I no longer ream, now I use the RCBS swage die set. Slow, but works like a champ.