Speer 200 Grain Gold Dot Bullets, it seems Speer has heard the demand for these as handloading components and has stepped up to make these available...
https://www.speer.com/bullets/handgun_bullets/gold_dot_personal_protection/19-400200GDB.html (https://www.speer.com/bullets/handgun_bullets/gold_dot_personal_protection/19-400200GDB.html)
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Some added info:
Shipping is $12.00 flat rate, but is waived if the order is over $100.
Speer has a promo on purchases before 4/30/2020 that gives you $20 back on orders over $100. (https://www.speer-ammo.com/promotions)
I picked up four boxes of 100. Came to $115.79 with shipping and tax.
Saw the shipping and was turned off ....didn't see the 100 then free shipping
But will wait as I have quite a few boxes of 200 xtps
From my very unscientific testing (shooting water jugs), I'm not seeing any real advantage to the 200 grain Gold Dot vs the XTP. 10mm just doesn't seem to throw a 200 grain bullet fast enough for the bonding to be necessary, though I stopped just shy of 1200 fps in a 6" barrel. I'm sure they can be thrown faster...
Still a good bullet, but I can't say I see any real reason to pick one over the other right now.
Drop down to a 180 or 165 grain bullet and I think bonding offers a very substantial advantage.
Quote from: Muskrat on April 09 2020 09:43:07 AM MDTFrom my very unscientific testing (shooting water jugs), I'm not seeing any real advantage to the 200 grain Gold Dot vs the XTP. 10mm just doesn't seem to throw a 200 grain bullet fast enough for the bonding to be necessary, though I stopped just shy of 1200 fps in a 6" barrel. I'm sure they can be thrown faster...
Drop down to a 180 or 165 grain bullet and I think bonding offers a very substantial advantage.
Agreed...
Even a Glock 22 (.40S&W) fires Speer's factory 155gr Gold Dot load at 1,300fps, and my S&W 610 shoots 165s @ 1,400fps, so 165gr seems to be the sweet spot in terms of bullet weight and energy for 10mm.
I expect that 10mm Mag (NB: not 10mm Auto) will push a 200gr bullet to 1,500 from a 6.5" revolver barrel.
Bonding is good...
Quote from: Muskrat on April 09 2020 09:43:07 AM MDT
From my very unscientific testing (shooting water jugs), I'm not seeing any real advantage to the 200 grain Gold Dot vs the XTP. 10mm just doesn't seem to throw a 200 grain bullet fast enough for the bonding to be necessary, though I stopped just shy of 1200 fps in a 6" barrel. I'm sure they can be thrown faster...
Still a good bullet, but I can't say I see any real reason to pick one over the other right now.
Drop down to a 180 or 165 grain bullet and I think bonding offers a very substantial advantage.
IMHO Bonding is a good thing in personal protection ammo. Windshields and auto body do nasty things to bullets and the bonded versions are visibly better performers. While you might not shoot into a vehicle as a citizen CCW holder there is a chance that a threat exterior to your vehicle may need shooting thru your windshield.
I'm very happy with my 180gr 10mm loads, but those bullets are $10/100 more :(
Well, for what it's worth, my sheriff's department settled on a non-bonded bullet after extensive testing with vehicle barriers. They eventually chose another bullet...also non-bonded.
I like bonded bullets, but most of the advantage seems to be in hitting soft tissue at above-normal velocities.
YMMV.
Got mine ordered
Ordering mine today as well 😀
Quote from: Muskrat on April 09 2020 08:21:44 PM MDT
Well, for what it's worth, my sheriff's department settled on a non-bonded bullet after extensive testing with vehicle barriers. They eventually chose another bullet...also non-bonded.
I like bonded bullets, but most of the advantage seems to be in hitting soft tissue at above-normal velocities.
YMMV.
What round did they choose to go with?
They went from Winchester Ranger to Federal HST...both 180 grain .40's.
our Sheriff Dept. also uses HST bullets.
Thanks for the lead, I purchased 4 boxes also and will be in for the $20 back.
Quote from: PCFlorida on April 14 2020 03:30:03 AM MDT
Thanks for the lead, I purchased 4 boxes also and will be in for the $20 back.
Uhhh... Don't you need to spend $100 to receive the rebate?
Yes. The boxes are priced over $25 each on Speer's website. $26.99 to be exact.
Quote from: sqlbullet on April 15 2020 04:06:30 PM MDT
Yes. The boxes are priced over $25 each on Speer's website. $26.99 to be exact.
Oops... Graf's was selling them for $20.26/100, and I just ordered more from Midway for $21.99/100.
Why they're cheaper than the 165gr Gold Dots, I don't know (and I'm not complaining).
Yeah...I saw then cheaper on Grafs the day after I ordered.
Oh well. They are on my shelf now waiting for the next time I run some 10mm.
In my hillbilly testing (shooting plastic jugs full of water) the 200 grain Gold Dot expands quite a bit more than the 200 grain XTP, and consequently penetrates less deeply.
Both bullets retain nearly 100% of their weight, so I'm not seeing any real advantage to the bonded bullet with handgun velocities.
For woods use, I think the XTP is a better choice. For town, the Gold Dot is maybe a little better.
Yes the XTP's are designed for deeper penetration. I used to carry them when I hunted coyote at night in my G20 as a backup in case I ran into something black and hairy with large K9 teeth and claws.
No more hollowpoints for me now that I have retired from LE here in NJ. Underwood Extreme Penetrators or hard cast now.
Absolutely 😀
Quote from: 4949shooter on May 14 2020 12:57:55 PM MDT
No more hollowpoints for me now that I have retired from LE here in NJ. Underwood Extreme Penetrators or hard cast now.
Is NJ still busting chops on HR218 carrying HP in the state? ( yes I know they are allowed by same )
Last hr218 class, they were saying to use/carry the critical duty plugged ammo.
Quote from: tommac919 on May 15 2020 06:46:03 AM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on May 14 2020 12:57:55 PM MDT
No more hollowpoints for me now that I have retired from LE here in NJ. Underwood Extreme Penetrators or hard cast now.
Is NJ still busting chops on HR218 carrying HP in the state? ( yes I know they are allowed by same )
Last hr218 class, they were saying to use/carry the critical duty plugged ammo.
Unfortunately the statute addresses all expanding rounds, not just hollowpoints.
There is presently a lawsuit underway against NJ for not allowing NJ retired officers to carry under the provisions of HR 218. Keeping our fingers crossed.
Quote from: 4949shooter on May 15 2020 04:27:42 PM MDT
Quote from: tommac919 on May 15 2020 06:46:03 AM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on May 14 2020 12:57:55 PM MDT
No more hollowpoints for me now that I have retired from LE here in NJ. Underwood Extreme Penetrators or hard cast now.
Is NJ still busting chops on HR218 carrying HP in the state? ( yes I know they are allowed by same )
Last hr218 class, they were saying to use/carry the critical duty plugged ammo.
Unfortunately the statute addresses all expanding rounds, not just hollowpoints.
There is presently a lawsuit underway against NJ for not allowing NJ retired officers to carry under the provisions of HR 218. Keeping our fingers crossed.
How absolutely absurd.
I don't know how you guys live under draconian measures like that.
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I agree it's absurd, but of all the factors that factor into where a person lives, I'd consider it irrelevant to my decision matrix.
Quote from: Muskrat on May 16 2020 12:27:37 PM MDT
I agree it's absurd, but of all the factors that factor into where a person lives, I'd consider it irrelevant to my decision matrix.
Not for me. I won't stand for overt tyranny.
My view is likely jaded as a I have always lived in a free state. Texas isn't perfect but it's a heck of a lot better than most.
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As is MN...for the time being
Quote from: Mike D on May 17 2020 07:30:43 PM MDT
Quote from: Muskrat on May 16 2020 12:27:37 PM MDT
I agree it's absurd, but of all the factors that factor into where a person lives, I'd consider it irrelevant to my decision matrix.
Not for me. I won't stand for overt tyranny.
My view is likely jaded as a I have always lived in a free state. Texas isn't perfect but it's a heck of a lot better than most.
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Well I understand that viewpoint, and share it in ways.
But I guess that of all the things that make for a good life, being able to load hollow point bullets doesn't even register. I'd put it somewhere in importance between the distance to the nearest gravel quarry and whether you can buy single cigarettes at the quicky-mart.
Quote from: Muskrat on May 17 2020 09:19:56 PM MDT
Quote from: Mike D on May 17 2020 07:30:43 PM MDT
Quote from: Muskrat on May 16 2020 12:27:37 PM MDT
I agree it's absurd, but of all the factors that factor into where a person lives, I'd consider it irrelevant to my decision matrix.
Not for me. I won't stand for overt tyranny.
My view is likely jaded as a I have always lived in a free state. Texas isn't perfect but it's a heck of a lot better than most.
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Well I understand that viewpoint, and share it in ways.
But I guess that of all the things that make for a good life, being able to load hollow point bullets doesn't even register. I'd put it somewhere in importance between the distance to the nearest gravel quarry and whether you can buy single cigarettes at the quicky-mart.
Yes. Do I have to decide whether or not I live near my grown children or move to a state where I can carry hollowpoints?