Damn! I might have to really take a good look at this one!
https://youtube/-jsIA4xeZtk
I have a 76 vintage 6" that's a dream to shoot.
Might have to fondle that 4" thou ;)
If I heard right, $1499.00. Looks like I'll be walking the hiways picking up bottles. Might have to sell my 73 year old body. I wonder though, what about the value of the old Pythons? Per the vid, doesn't seem to be any major changes that would cause the new production to valued like the old.
I'd love to have one but the $1,500 price tag is pretty hard to swallow. Even as an investment collectible, hard for me to complete the synaptic jump to pull the trigger. :o :o
3 times what a comparable Ruger and 2 times comparable S&W would run......
I've never been shy about paying extra for real quality but this kinda multiple strikes me as potentially well into nonsense territory.
Well the $1499.00 price is MSRP. Probably the first ones out of the gate will go for that or even more. But let the supply catch up to demand and you'll probably be able to pick one up for $11-1200.00. Still not pocket change, at least not my pockets anyway. But if all of the neat new features are as good as they want to brag about, it might be worth the money. If the gun has the usual Colt Python "slick" and the incredible trigger, I'm a player for a 4.25". Just wished it came in something that doesn't resemble the front bumper of my 74 F100 toy truck. Per Colt rep, there's more to come from Colt this year. Who knows, with the renewed interest in the 10mm, you might see a Colt Python in 10mm. That was my first thought when they talked about the heavier frame than the old Python. Kinda opens up the playing field.
That price is steep. I picked up my S&W 28-2 for less than $500. I want to say less than $300 but I don't recall for sure. Now, I got a really great deal, but that is kinda the point. Great deals on good shooters are out there. I am not likely to drop over $1000 on a gun for possible "collector" value in the future. And if I want a 357 Mag shooter a Ruger GP100 or a S&W 686 will serve just as well for lots less dough.
And, I gotta admit, they better have upped the game a bunch from the Cobra remake or this will fall flat fast.
I'd be interested only if the trigger is an equal to the original Python's, too. No point spending this kind of money for a look-a-like without it. There are two new 4" models of the Kimber K6S DASA coming in 2020, as well. Kimber already has that trigger system figured out and it's really close to an original Python. Probably less money than this new Python as well.
But, like everybody else, I've always lusted after a Python. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
Here's one on GB going at double the MSRP with a day to go.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/851531586
Well...That is just a bit crazy.
Don't know that I'd spring for it if money wasn't a concern
That would be a hard no thanks.
Brings to mind a famous phrase attributed to PT Barnum.
If they're built with the quality craftsmanship of the original Pythons, I might find my way to $800-$1000.
But I got a feeling the new Python will be very different from the original, and not worth the cost.
Quote3 times what a comparable Ruger and 2 times comparable S&W would run......
Damn straight :(
while the new Pythons are probably a fine revolver, they are still not an original. the new one has a few "improvements" so that right there means its not the same revolver. the main reason the old Pythons have such a high collector value is because they are no longer made. the new model won't affect the value of the old ones. the new ones wont have any collector value until they too have been out of production.
You're probably right blaster. My brother and I collect the old thumb busters. My favorite of the bunch is an 1898 made Colt 38-40. It's an amazing little gun. As I recall the factory duplication load is 7.0 grs Unique under a 180gr lead bullet. Great for rolling around cans shooting from the hip. The next 2 generations of thumb busters hasn't apparently effected its value so that's probably where it'll end up for the old Pythons. But then, at age 72, I could care less about value. I'll never sell one of them anyway. The wife might considering we had an all girl family and neither SILs have any interest. Unless someone finds a way to take it with them, it's all about the shooting experience that counts.
Absolutely Trapper, we have two girls as well. Neither own them now, but will change if I have anything to say about it
Ken it
if i were to guess they will never make even 5,000 of them... they will sell a production run or perhaps 2 then discontinue them to build collector value...
Quote from: slam45 on January 10 2020 06:04:30 AM MST
if i were to guess they will never make even 5,000 of them... they will sell a production run or perhaps 2 then discontinue them to build collector value...
By all the first reports I have read, they are making a very good Python. It is not the same as the old ones but is still a very good revolver.
The start up costs are very high for a gun like this and a long run is what Colt needs to recoup their costs, collector value does nothing for their bottom line.
You really do not need short runs always to get collector interest. They made over 600,000 of the original Pythons and look at that value.
Quote from: Trapper6L on January 09 2020 04:36:47 PM MST
You're probably right blaster. My brother and I collect the old thumb busters. My favorite of the bunch is an 1898 made Colt 38-40. It's an amazing little gun. As I recall the factory duplication load is 7.0 grs Unique under a 180gr lead bullet. Great for rolling around cans shooting from the hip. The next 2 generations of thumb busters hasn't apparently effected its value so that's probably where it'll end up for the old Pythons. But then, at age 72, I could care less about value. I'll never sell one of them anyway. The wife might considering we had an all girl family and neither SILs have any interest. Unless someone finds a way to take it with them, it's all about the shooting experience that counts.
I could be adopted if you like. :P
I have three girls and three boys. None of them are quite the enthusiast that I am, but all are interested. My mom bought all of them M1 Garands from the CMP a few years back for Christmas. And they all have built AR-15's. When they turn 18 and get their CFP I let them pick a handgun from the collection for carry. Oldest picked a Browning Hi-Power. Next in line asked to build their own Glock 19. Third grabbed a Glock 19 Gen 5. Child number 4 turns 18 later this year and I have no idea what gun he will choose.
Back on topic, I don't know what Colt's plan is here. During the initial run from 1955 to 1999, based on the 600,000 plus figure, they made around 13,500 per year. Peak years would have been higher and by the late 90's they were well below that number.
The high prices we are seeing is going to slow sales a fair bit but I bet Colt will make all they can sell and then a few more.
There is tremendous interest in the new Pythons.
The initial post on the Colt Forum about the 2020 Pythons was started on 12-20-2019. Right now that thread has 863 replies and 112,716 views.
To me, that's a lot of interest.
Sadly, the new Pythons seem to have a problem with the cylinder not rotating. Both Hickok45 and a younger guy from Texas with the channel name of Goldenweb have videos of the trigger being pulled, hammer going back, dropping and falling on a previously fired case. Goldenweb also demonstrated either bad ammo or light strikes with his Python and as of last night is sending his back to Colt. Hickok45 says his is going back to Bud's Gunshop where he said they would send it back to Colt. Additionally, there appears to be some folks reporting their crowns are a bit marred as well.
Hopefully, Colt will fix these problems as I'm interested in one of these too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dO-lQEX49U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0dJPxXmhtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2gyAlEBM6c
Quote from: sep on January 13 2020 06:38:03 AM MST
Sadly, the new Pythons seem to have a problem with the cylinder not rotating. Both Hickok45 and a younger guy from Texas with the channel name of Goldenweb have videos of the trigger being pulled, hammer going back, dropping and falling on a previously fired case. Goldenweb also demonstrated either bad ammo or light strikes with his Python and as of last night is sending his back to Colt. Hickok45 says his is going back to Bud's Gunshop where he said they would send it back to Colt. Additionally, there appears to be some folks reporting their crowns are a bit marred as well.
Hopefully, Colt will fix these problems as I'm interested in one of these too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dO-lQEX49U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0dJPxXmhtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2gyAlEBM6c
It's a little sad that Colt is having some teething problems with the launch of this new Python. I'm sure they're going to figure it out. Maybe I've gotten cynical with age, but I usually wait until something has been out for at least a year before purchasing. Let the price settle down and the bugs work out.
I see it as more than a little sad. Colt is a company with revolver roots, more so than any other gun company in existence. Swing and a miss when you have basic issues like it doesn't revolve.
Kimber hit the K6 out of the park.
I hope they get it on track, but this is not a good start.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 13 2020 08:59:58 AM MST
I see it as more than a little sad. Colt is a company with revolver roots, more so than any other gun company in existence. Swing and a miss when you have basic issues like it doesn't revolve.
Kimber hit the K6 out of the park.
I hope they get it on track, but this is not a good start.
I see your point. To be fair, there were some K6S issues early on. Some were having a cylinder binding problem when they got really hot. This was, apparently, a very small number.
As a K6s owner, obviously this didn't deter me from purchasing one. I did give it a little time, though. I'm very happy with mine. Unfortunately, the new K6S DASA 4" is now calling to me.
Edit: It occurred to me after posting the reply above that it's a little ironic that Kimber became the huge gunmaker that they are after beating Colt at their own game with 1911s, years ago. Maybe Colt should have subbed out the Python to Kimber ;D
I guess ya'll heard Colt has recalled all of the new Pythons. No reason given, they just want all of them back.
That's not good at all???
Quote from: Trapper6L on January 20 2020 08:48:57 PM MST
I guess ya'll heard Colt has recalled all of the new Pythons. No reason given, they just want all of them back.
Where have you heard that?
I hang around the Colt Forum some and nothing like that has popped up there.
Youtube video I saw said that all 100 had been pulled from one specific distributor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxWNDiTY6Xs
Guys is clear that he has information about one distributor. It can be inferred that this probably happened with all of them. There are still new Python's on Gunbroker, about 30-35.
I saw that also.
To be honest there have been some problems but the Colt guys are giving them mostly good reviews and they are a pretty discerning bunch.
The Cobras and King Cobras were not well received.
Small percentage of guns were effected. Not excusable but they are looking into the fix.
Larger more robust top strap.
Less moving parts comprise the trigger so it is supposed to be smoother and simpler.
Removed the thumb shelf on the grips.
Finish is really nice and the barrel is one forged and machined part with a recessed crown.
Yet I am not really drawn to it...
Lots of cool things coming out of shot show 2020
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2020/1/21/shot-show-2020-is-there-a-problem-with-the-colt-python/
Interview from ShotShow with Colt SeniorVP. States that only 5 out of 2000 new Pythons shipped have been returned for issues. He also says they couldn't duplicate problems. No mention of a recall. Now I'm not sure what I believe.
Not sure what to believe anymore. I looked at the vid of the Colt Rep talking about the Pythons. He never really said one way or the other if there was a recall just that they had taken in a few guns, some for cosmetic reasons and 2 for other reasons. Conversely, here's a vid that the folks claim and say it's been "confirmed" that one of the large distributors has returned all of the guns at Colts request. You have to respect Colt for not wanting to make their "new" Pythons look defective. I'm sure they probably tested the heck of them before releasing them but then, this ain't yer grandfathers Colt Company anymore. Even if they did a recall, at least their not like some of the auto makers that turn a blind eye to an issue. So for me, it just means that I now have more time to save my lunch money for a new 4" Python.....and maybe a 6"......or maybe an 8" if they're going to make one. My brother has an 8" Trooper that is scary accurate. I'd like to hand him my Python 8", if they ever make one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxWNDiTY6Xs
Quote from: Rojo27 on January 02 2020 06:46:05 PM MST
I'd love to have one but the $1,500 price tag is pretty hard to swallow. Even as an investment collectible, hard for me to complete the synaptic jump to pull the trigger. :o :o
3 times what a comparable Ruger and 2 times comparable S&W would run......
I've never been shy about paying extra for real quality but this kinda multiple strikes me as potentially well into nonsense territory.
Oh how naive & unsuspecting the guy that wrote those words was. Incredible how the world has changed in the 22 months since I wrote that.....In many ways that short period of time feels like a lifetime ago. Since this topic was discussed here: pandemic, lockdowns, exploding inflation, supply chain breakdown, unrest & riots, couple of impeachment attempts, elections, yada, yada, yada to name just a few of things we've seen.
Now a new Smith & Wesson 686 (one you could actually get today) will run you $875 to $950 bucks.
An original Colt Python can be had for between $3k to $15k now as a collector item.
And last week, I came across a NIB 2021 (manufacture date) 4.25" Colt Python for sale at the actual MSRP of $1,499... They have been in such high demand, routinely see them going for $1,599 to $2,200 (well over MSRP from reputable merchants). On a lark and because it's the first one I've seen with my own eyes inside the last 22 months at actual MSRP, so I snatched it up.
Took it to the range today and ran 50 rounds of 38sp & 50 rounds of legitimate 357 magnum ammo through it.
Brought it home afterward and carefully cleaned it and put it in the safe. Never owned an original Python myself. My dad had one when I was a kid and I have fond memories of going to the range and farm with him and on occasion getting to shot it. Unfortunately, it was stolen when his house was broken into in the early 80's.
Initial reflections on new 2020 Colt Python:
Looks are off the chart cool to me. It may not be blued and polished using walrus hide, but the stainless looks great to me & is very practical for inclemently weather. The finish is much nicer than than my late model S&W 686 plus.
The smoothest action I've ever personally felt on a revolver (I own a number of them: Ruger(s), S&W, SAA clone).
Double action trigger pull is super smooth (no creep or grit) but relatively heavy..... Didn't measure but probably in the 9lbs to 10lbs range. Overall excellent double action.
Single action trigger pull is heavier than S&W 686; likely in 5lbs range but no stacking and super clean break. Maybe it lightens up a little with use. Very likely to leave trigger stock & not mess with it.
Incredible accurate & super tight groups (for me) at 7.5 & 15 yard targets.
0 issues or problems.
So far couldn't be happier with it.
I recently picked up a new 6" Python. I'd say thumbs up. I had an 8" Python back in the day. Trigger is smooth and the fit/finish is incredible with ~25 rounds sent downrange. I won't mess with the trigger.
Well, even though I initially decided not to, I ended up sending mine to Heffron Precision in Iowa for action and trigger job. They did an incredible job and new Python came back with 2.75lb SA and even more smooth and slick (which I didn't think would be possible) 8lb DA trigger. I've sent other revolvers to Heffron over the years and he's amazing with Colt, S&W & DW revolvers. Very reasonable prices too.
The new Python and the infatuation with it that quickly followed lead me down the rabbit hole with Colt revolvers and I went off the edge. Picked up a couple more contemporary Colt revolvers and vintage one to round out the collection. Course, had to sell off several safe queens to fund the new infatuation but in the end, they became expendable.
I've been super pleased with these new & vintage Colts and at this point have about 1,200 rounds though them. I'd give them a strong buy recommendation for anyone who may even have been remotely interested in the Python, Anaconda, King Cobra. I don't think you'll regret it, I certainly don't.
I'm hoping to find one locally to see what it's like.