So I just traded for a custom g20 LS with a 6.6 inch barrel with a really nice custom trigger for a glock and adjustable block OEM rear sight. I have always wanted a 1911 and specifically in 10mm. This would be primarily a ranch gun but would I be better off with a kimber or a delta elite for hunting deer and hogs or should I stick with the LS.
I really like it but I really want a delta elite. I'm 25 years old so I guess I have plenty of time to get a delta elite. Would a delta elite be more accurate than my LS?
I've shot one but only a few rounds and wasn't paying close attention to my accuracy, and my buddy got it stolen so I don't have the opportunity to compare them. The guy who traded me says the LS its accurate to 100 yards.
Personally I would stick with the 6.6 LS . A Colt DE has less chamber support than a aftermarket barrel and about the same as a G20 Barrel and is not as accurate as a Glock LS.
IMHO for hunting purposes you are better off with a LS.
Sean
I have both...
I have owned the DE since they where introduced and I do like it.
My G20 is better with the hot loads. But the DE could also be made better for the loads. But not simply with a drop in barrel as the G20 can.
A tuned DE would out shoot a G20. Even a tuned G20 would be hard pressed to out shoot a DE. They are different animals IMHO. The Glock will put more lead on target than a DE in the same time.
Of the two, for what I need/want it for, my choice is the Glock.
CW
I agree with the others. The G20LS all the way for reasons already covered. I mainly say that over going with a Delta Elite.
I can see reasoning for going with a Kimber (probably the best barrel chamber support of any 10mm semi-auto platform produced, not to mention being extra beefy overall) or Dan Wesson RZ-10. Even the Witness Elite and Hunter are both better choices than a Delta Elite IMO.
Though, I will say this; If you only ever intend to shoot 10mm loads that do not exceed a level I refer to as mouse-fart loads through a possible future Delta Elite, well then, you'ld be just fine with the Delta Elite. But at that point it's beyond me why anyone wants a 10mm platform in the first place. That's just me though. It's your money, definitely do what you feel is right for you! 8)
My current loads would blow up a delta. 11gr blue dot over 200 gr nosler. Don't try at home.
Would you care to share some; Velocity numbers?, Casehead expansion?, Primer flatting info? Video or picture documentation of you work?, Which Gun or guns have you tested these loads from?
I love Blue Dot and do use a hefty amount myself, so I'd be interested to hear of your experiences...
All my loads are rolled by the smith that made the gun. He did not get around to chrono the load but I will say the brass doesn't show signs of bulging or flattened primers. He did tell me to never shoot it in another gun. I'm using a lonewolf 6.6 inch barrel ona lonewolf long slide. I'm pretty sure the spring is stock # but is stainless. I'm not a hand loader yet I just got out of college and and looking at a hornady kit. Im sure if you have a fully supported chamber with a heavy spring or long slide you could work your way up. In all my research I'm guessing 1300-1400. As soon as I get a press I will get a chrono and let you know in a PM. But he did tell me like 10 times to only use them in my gun.
I wouldn't shoot that round in a DE, but it's not THAT phat. 11 gr. BD under a 200 gr. bullet is stout, but not that stout. Maybe 1250 in a 6" barrel, but not close to 1400. Been there. Done that.
Glock all the way. 15 rounds of heck coming at the hogs is awesome. With drop in barrel you will have the accuracy.
Best of luck
Brian
Quote from: 445 supermag on May 30 2013 02:29:49 PM MDTWith drop in barrel you will have the accuracy.
Best of luck
Brian
And a step up in velocity with the added length.
Quote from: REDLINE on May 30 2013 09:03:45 PM MDT
Quote from: 445 supermag on May 30 2013 02:29:49 PM MDTWith drop in barrel you will have the accuracy.
Best of luck
Brian
And a step up in velocity with the added length.
Redline. Even with standard length aftermarket barrels you get about a 50 fps increase from what I have seen. I cant wait till I get my chrono out to see for myself. Plenty of youtube vids to prove it.
But add a 6" and wowzers :o you are off and running
An increase in velocity even in standard lengths is supported by the knowns of aftermarket vs factory Glock barrels.
After market barrels have tighter barrels, shorter leades and tighter bores. All of that is going to mean more pressure...and more pressure=more velocity.
It is a good trade, but if it is a defense gun either leave it stock when loaded for defense, or test the after market barrel with at least 500 rounds malfunction free.
Quote from: 445 supermag on June 03 2013 02:44:28 AM MDT
Quote from: REDLINE on May 30 2013 09:03:45 PM MDT
Quote from: 445 supermag on May 30 2013 02:29:49 PM MDTWith drop in barrel you will have the accuracy.
Best of luck
Brian
And a step up in velocity with the added length.
Redline. Even with standard length aftermarket barrels you get about a 50 fps increase from what I have seen. I cant wait till I get my chrono out to see for myself. Plenty of youtube vids to prove it.
But add a 6" and wowzers :o you are off and running
I had no idea. I do plan at some point getting an aftermarket standard length for my G20 and G29, probably KKM for both, and will be curious to see how it works out with my equipment. This definitely won't be till some time well out into the future though.
I wonder how it ever got out that polygonal rifling enhances velocity? Must have been a load of cr@p all along.
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 03 2013 10:46:12 AM MDT
An increase in velocity even in standard lengths is supported by the knowns of aftermarket vs factory Glock barrels.
After market barrels have tighter barrels, shorter leades and tighter bores. All of that is going to mean more pressure...and more pressure=more velocity.
It is a good trade, but if it is a defense gun either leave it stock when loaded for defense, or test the after market barrel with at least 500 rounds malfunction free.
Okay, so maybe when all parameters are set up correctly, then polygonal rifling should show at least a tiny bit more velocity than if the same barrel was cut/broach-cut/button/hammer-forged rifled?
Yes..All else being equal the polygonal rifling has less resistance and produces slightly higher velocities.
But, if I fired 10 shots over a chrony you would be hard pressed to tell me which were which based on velocity alone.
Good to know.
I have 2 G20 and two after market 6" barrels. I collected a few 10mm including a Wilson Hunter. The g 20s are my favorite for hunting. I hunt at very close range, close enough that the pig will here you cock the Hammer. The Glock makes no sound. That is why I hunt with safety triggers and DA revolvers or s&w da/Sa 10mm. My favorite s&w is the 1006
I would take the Glock just so I would not damage the DE, I would hate to get a DE scrached up or dropped while hunting but if it happened to the Glock I would not be near as upset.
If I were hunting with a 1911 I would carry it cocked and locked, not doubt. No hammer to hear.
The safety maybe...
Quote from: REDLINE on June 03 2013 09:26:22 PM MDT
Okay, so maybe when all parameters are set up correctly, then polygonal rifling should show at least a tiny bit more velocity than if the same barrel was cut/broach-cut/button/hammer-forged rifled?
This is
generally true, but some barrels are just faster than others, It can be a significant difference too.
I have shot a lot of 11 gr Blue Dot and a 200 gr Nosler in two after market 6" barrels.
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I went over this very same question many times during my quest to find the ultimate 10mm launcher. I've owned all manners of 10mm Glocks, longslide Glocks, 1911's and longslide 1911.
I'd stick with the longslide Glock if you already have it. The Delta doesn't have that great of case support, either.