I had someone try to debate me the other day that 9 mm is better than 10 mm. Another person try to debate 45 was better. Here's a video of extreme penetrators out of Short barrel guns...
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Thanks so much for your time and effort!
Ken
Quote from: Kenk on June 08 2019 05:23:03 PM MDT
Thanks so much for your time and effort!
Ken
thank you sir
Quote from: AlaskanBallistics on June 08 2019 11:05:47 AM MDT
I had someone try to debate me the other day that 9 mm is better than 10 mm. Another person try to debate 45 was better.
LoL...
Fools...
Lol, that or totally misinformed : )
"Better" can mean different things, each round has its merits for different applications.
Thanks for sharing; the 10 mm results are quite impressive and for me the round could be good for urban hunting carry (meth heads, gang members, angry raccoons, and small bear all move through the small parcel I deer hunt at).
Quote from: graydude on June 10 2019 07:59:33 PM MDT
"Better" can mean different things, each round has its merits for different applications.
Thanks for sharing; the 10 mm results are quite impressive and for me the round could be good for urban hunting carry (meth heads, gang members, angry raccoons, and small bear all move through the small parcel I deer hunt at).
Sure Graydude,
The terms "Better" or "Best" come with a degree of subjectivity. But, all other things being equal, I think it is beyond doubt that 10mm IS the finest, most capable defensive round that is chamberable in a reasonably sized pistol for defensive/carry purposes.
I mean, the Navy didn't make 16" battleship guns because the 14" guns were already "fine". ;D
I hear ya on how 10mm is great for dispatching the "critters" you listed too.
Those same critters often move through the parcel of land I hunt as well.
That parcel is called "Detroit"...
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Lol, so true!
Agree with the subjectivity.
However, the great thing is that most of the relevant variables can be measured once the "subject" shooting the gun is defined.
All else equal, I will take a 10mm over 45, 40 or 9mm. But, all else is not equal. Physics is a bitch and demands that for an increase in energy out the front, there be an increase in recoil out the back.
So the question becomes which one can you shoot faster in standard defensive drills. El Capitan or Bill Drill will tell you a bunch about what gun you should carry.
This is one of the things I like about my Glock 29 with the pearce extension and my Glock 19. The are almost indistinguishable in my hands. So, I can train all day long with the cheap 9mm and build good habits, the cap off the day with a couple of runs with the Glock 29, and it hit's my holster.
I am a bit slower with the 29, but I will take the trade for the extra energy on target.
Personally, I strongly doubt I'll ever be in a firefight where I need to shoot as is needed in competition and I suspect that's true for most people. While anything "may" happen what is far more likely is that I'm in a scenario where a shot or two is needed and those need to count and count fast. For that situation the ability to shoot 18 or so rounds does not come into play so power wins so long as I'm capable of shooting those few rounds accurately and, for me, that means 10 or 45.
Something else I'm unconcerned with is quick draw capability. I live in a rural area in the Rockies so what I'm likely to encounter is quite different from what you (unfortunate) urban dwellers may see. I want to be able to get to my pistol in a few seconds but more than that does not seem a factor to me. (You may all tell my widow you told me so if I get canceled while I'm removing my gun from my courier bag.) If I'm in the woods I'll carry in an owb holster but that's about the only time for that. I'm actually more concerned with quick access in the woods as mountain lions, in particular, are not known for warning the intended victims and they are indeed FAST! Bears are much less of an issue.
Tis said that variety is something or other - or maybe not - so everyone gets to prepare for what is seen as most likely and different people will see that differently.
Quote from: Sneed on June 11 2019 04:20:40 PM MDT
.. a shot or two is needed and those need to count and count fast. For that situation the ability to shoot 18 or so rounds does not come into play so power wins so long as I'm capable of shooting those few rounds accurately and, for me, that means 10 or 45.
Given that the hit rate in a typical gunfight is less than 30%, hitting the target twice will require firing 6-7 shots. As ranges grow beyond 3-5 feet the hit rate drops if you aren't extremely proficient.
We train to drills like the bill drill not because we need to hit someone that many times, but because in the real world we have to shoot that many times to get 3-4 solid hits.
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 11 2019 03:32:53 PM MDT
Agree with the subjectivity.
However, the great thing is that most of the relevant variables can be measured once the "subject" shooting the gun is defined.
All else equal, I will take a 10mm over 45, 40 or 9mm. But, all else is not equal. Physics is a bitch and demands that for an increase in energy out the front, there be an increase in recoil out the back.
So the question becomes which one can you shoot faster in standard defensive drills. El Capitan or Bill Drill will tell you a bunch about what gun you should carry.
This is one of the things I like about my Glock 29 with the pearce extension and my Glock 19. The are almost indistinguishable in my hands. So, I can train all day long with the cheap 9mm and build good habits, the cap off the day with a couple of runs with the Glock 29, and it hit's my holster.
I am a bit slower with the 29, but I will take the trade for the extra energy on target.
Totally Agree... i also have g29 and g19
The reality is that as you mentioned, training is the real key, no matter what the caliber or weapon.
Even 10mm can become second nature if you train with it enough.
I remember when I bought the very first handgun I ever owned in my life, a Ruger .44Mag and I remember how scared I was to shoot it the first time out (Dirty Harry/most powerful handgun talk and all). First rounds I fired through it were .44Spec. Full house Magnums that same day made me say Holy Crap, what did I do!
I shot that gun enough that over some time, one handed deer kills at a considerable distance were easy.
In came the next handgun power step for me; .454Casull (Freedom Arms 7.5"bbl. unported).
I shot that gun enough that now, blasting deer at 125+ yards is easy with 250grainers at over 1800FPS (hand loads). A 10" paper plate at 200yards is a 75% to 80% probability from the bench (2X scoped). It's still brutal, but it's doable...
Practice practice practice.....
That's what SHE said!
;D :))
@50BMG
GOOD point , great shooting.
Practice is key