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10mm Ammuntion => Factory 10mm Ammo pull-downs => Topic started by: The_Shadow on March 10 2013 09:37:45 AM MDT

Title: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: The_Shadow on March 10 2013 09:37:45 AM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap 200gr  Nosler JHP
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 694 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Double Tap - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6730"/Dia. 0.3995": 200gr. NOSLER JHP 
HP depth 0.2065" / inside Dia. 0.1205" / mouth Dia. 0.1950"
Actual weight 199.8 grains   Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.3970"
C.O.A.L.: 1.2405"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4210" Crimp Diameter 0.4205" (Tight) Length 0.9880"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge LongShot Weight: 8.0 grains
Tested in 10mm S&W1006 5" 1179 fps / 1166 fps June 8 2013
Cases expanded to 0.4280" / 0.4285", primers slightly flattened, cases look good some stress.

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Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: Intercooler on March 10 2013 10:06:26 AM MDT
Seem about right at 8.0grs 1143 FPS?
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: REDLINE on March 10 2013 01:36:55 PM MDT
Double Tap says;
Ballistics : 1250fps / 694ft lbs. muzzle - 5"bbl
Glock 29 - 1195fps Muzzle

Not surprising they still fudge the numbers.  Intercooler;  Did you chrono these at 1143fps?  I didn't see them listed on your Master Sheet.

Otherwise, yeah, with 8 grains of Longshot is seems about right.  And plenty safe.  Certainly not enough to hit 1250fps from a 5" barrel of any kind.  It urks me that they fudge the numbers to such an extent.

Sure would like to see this load shot into gel.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: REDLINE on March 10 2013 01:38:40 PM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on March 10 2013 09:37:45 AM MDTCrimp Diameter 0.4205" (Tight)

That is tight!

When rolling my own I generally crimp to .422-.423 inches.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: 4949shooter on March 10 2013 02:25:13 PM MDT
Quote from: REDLINE on March 10 2013 01:36:55 PM MDT
Double Tap says;
Ballistics : 1250fps / 694ft lbs. muzzle - 5"bbl
Glock 29 - 1195fps Muzzle

Not surprising they still fudge the numbers.  Intercooler;  Did you chrono these at 1143fps?  I didn't see them listed on your Master Sheet.

Otherwise, yeah, with 8 grains of Longshot is seems about right.  And plenty safe.  Certainly not enough to hit 1250fps from a 5" barrel of any kind.  It urks me that they fudge the numbers to such an extent.

Sure would like to see this load shot into gel.

Redline see line #27:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjsXvXEryDJjdFhsRUcwSHRUcktCMmhOMTVFa25xa1E#gid=0

DRSJR got them at 1164.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: Intercooler on March 10 2013 02:49:51 PM MDT
Yea 1156 FPS last week:

http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo/new-doubletap-44-and-10mm-for-testing/


They didn't even hit the box flap for a 5" barrel in a 6" barrel. :o
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: REDLINE on March 10 2013 02:50:36 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 10 2013 02:25:13 PM MDTRedline see line #27:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjsXvXEryDJjdFhsRUcwSHRUcktCMmhOMTVFa25xa1E#gid=0

DRSJR got them at 1164.

That's Double Tap's 10mm 200 grain XTP bullet load.  This pull down is of the 200 grain Nosler bullet.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: Intercooler on March 10 2013 03:03:18 PM MDT
Yea David hasn't done these yet but bet you pull the XTP and it's the same thing.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: 4949shooter on March 10 2013 03:38:20 PM MDT
I thought they switched out their XTP's for Noslers a while ago.

Anyhoo, I wouldn't mind a 200 grain  XTP at 1160.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: REDLINE on March 10 2013 07:31:17 PM MDT
At one point Double Tap did swap out premium hollow point bullets with Montana Gold hollow point bullets.  They may have reversed that practice again, I'm not sure.

To my knowledge Double Tap never used Nosler's bullet in place of any other, and only added Nosler bullets over time.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: sqlbullet on March 11 2013 10:50:17 AM MDT
As a cost measure I am sure.  Nosler's are a good bit cheaper than most other brand name hollow points.  That is what keeps them on my reloading shelf.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: Intercooler on March 11 2013 01:51:25 PM MDT
See soon enough how they do in gel. That should tell if the Nosler 200gr is worth any real use.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: REDLINE on March 12 2013 01:57:29 PM MDT
Yeah, I'm really curious to see those results.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: Raggedyman on March 13 2013 11:17:23 AM MDT
This is one of the ones I'm most interested in. It's also nice to see that they are REAL close in velocity to the 200 gr XTP hand load I tested so the only significant variable would be the bullet itself. Thanks to The Shadow, it looks like this load would be easy to replicate safely, too.


200 gr XTP at about 1,140 fps:

Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: The_Shadow on March 13 2013 12:57:54 PM MDT
Raggedyman, Once again thanks for the video.  8)  With the Hornady 200gr XTP's, I do load them to 9.4 grains of IMR800X that duplicates the Underwood load @ 1240-1260 fps.  I stop there as my max for my guns as they are setup!
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: Raggedyman on March 13 2013 03:37:59 PM MDT
I think Intercooler sent me some Underwood 200 gr XTP, too so it will be interesting to see what the bullet does at 100 fps faster.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: Intercooler on March 13 2013 03:42:34 PM MDT
Let em rip!
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: doverpack12 on May 13 2013 10:57:43 AM MDT
Any more info on the 200 grain noslers.  I really like what I see out of the bullet so far.
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: The_Shadow on June 08 2013 05:19:08 PM MDT
Tested fro the S&W1006 5" June 8, 2013
Double Tap 200gr  Nosler JHP 1179 fps / 1166 fps
Title: Re: Double Tap 200gr Nosler JHP pull-down
Post by: Intercooler on June 08 2013 06:08:44 PM MDT
Real close to what I got and not near advertised.