Just got my first 10 mm. What is a good factory ammo to plink with but also has decent brass for reloading? Or should I start from scratch and buy all the components new?
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Daniel,
Welcome & congratz on your new 10mm. For plinking, anything will work. For business & fun, you should roll your own. I am a fan of Longshot in my 180 grain projectiles & BE-86 in the lighter (155) ones.
Shoot safe & have fun!
Daniel, Welcome to the forum and congrats to stepping into the 10mm world! Sig, Remington 10mm ammo can be a good choice with good brass.
New brass from Starline or Jagemann would be a good choice to start out with.
Used brass can require pass through sizing to make the cartridges feed more reliably...
Best regards and enjoy! :D
Welcome Daniel; there's much to be learned here, as many of the folks are extremely knowledgeable. As for plinking ammo, most will work fine providing your gun likes them and the price is right. When looking at brass choices, starline is tough to beat.
Be safe!
Ken
Looks like u can get bulk Magtech and LAX for 37 cents a round. No way u can reload for that cheap, correct? Just for learning the gun and practice? I'll buy factory self defense loads for carry.
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Actually yes, last time I fiq out the cost it was about .15- .16 cents per reloading
Quote from: tommac919 on May 01 2019 08:15:57 PM MDT
Actually yes, last time I fiq out the cost it was about .15- .16 cents per reloading
True. Even far less than that if you cast your own!
The major domestic ammo companies all have good reloadable brass. Rem UMC is unique in that they have nickel coated cases for regular range ammo. I have Rem, Win, and Fed cases that have more than 20 reloads. I have purchased zero range ammo in more than 10 years, so that brass goes back a ways.
Just look for the list of bad brass, like PPU
Thanks
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Have u reloaded the Magtech brass?
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No, but someone here may still have the list of good vs bad brass
Like mentioned PPU, it's hard brass and doesn't have good retention ( taper crimp ) of bullet as it's not malleable ( springs back to larger size )
Quote from: danielboss21 on May 02 2019 06:05:31 AM MDT
Have u reloaded the Magtech brass?
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I found a few dozen rang pickups. I happen to think that Magtech brass in general is pretty decent. One peculiarity with the CBC (Magtech) headstamps is that the primer pockets are staked. So I swaged tbose primer pockets before loading.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G3D5qbFp/20190112_123512.jpg)
Interesting. How do u "swag" them?
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Daniel there are several methods of removing the staking, First is primer removal, hopefully they can be pushed out completely.
Then you can use a large primer pocked swage (usually the fastest way) or pocket cutter to clean up the staking. Sometimes a tapered cutter can do the job!
What method you choose for removing the crimp depends on a bunch of factors. The cheap options are not usually fast.
Methods I have used:
Ream (Deburring tool) - I used a basic case chamfer/deburring tool. Couple of twists of the pointy side in the primer pocket usually does the trick.
Pro: cheap and effective, especially since most of us already have the tool.
Con: Removes metal*, slow, not suitable for a large amount of brass.
Ream (Reaming tool) - A couple of years back I found a purpose build primer pocket crimp reamer from one of the big boys (RCBS, Lyman, Hornady). The tool is designed to be attached to a case prep center and has a threaded shaft on the bottom. I just chucked it in a drill. The advantage of this over a deburring tool is this has a ledge that stops the reaming once the pocket opening is correctly sized.
Pro: Effective, fast, easily powered, and automatically stops once the correct material is removed
Con: I can't find it again for sale
RCBS Primer Pocket Swage - This is a press mounted die set. It has a couple of components. The swage itself locks into the ram and has a button on it that will swage the pocket. There is a collar that goes around the ram and button so at the bottom of the press stroke the case if forced back off the swage. And there is a die that does in the press that supports the case head from the inside so you aren't stressing and/or collapsing the case body.
Pro: ???
Con: more expensive and slower than the reamers. The swage has to be well lubed, and you still bang on the ram often to eject a case
Dillon Super 1050 Reloading press - So, a couple of years ago I got the idea that I was going to retire from my day job and make money processing once fired military brass. I won an action for over a thousand lbs of 7.62X51/308 brass. Since I knew many of my potential customers might not like reaming, which is what I personally did, I bought the RCBS swage. about 1-2K rounds in I threw in the towel of processing the brass single stage and ordered a Dillon Super 1050 set up for 308. The machine has an on-press primer pocket swage and was a revelation. It is smooth and fast, and completely integrated with progressive action for de-cap, size, swage, and trim. The first couple thousand rounds took me a week of after work nights. First night running the Dillon I processed 4K round and all I had to show for it was a sore but from sitting on the stool.
Pro: Work, does it inline and pre-prime step, would allow in 10mm mixed crimped and uncrimped primer pockets, progressive with other steps
Cons: $$$$, and only a 1 year warranty on the Super 1050.
If I were to call out a preferred solution short of the 1050, I would just use my deburring tool in a drill and be very ginger. It doesn't take much, just a kiss.
*Removing metal from the primer pocket is considered a capital offense by some reloaders. Gospel of sqlbullet is don't over-do it and you are fine. After all, the actual primer pocket crimp doesn't contribute structurally to the head pre or post swage. But, if you chuck that deburring tool up to a drill and really go nuts, you can badly compromise the primer pocket walls and greatly increase the risk of a blown primer.
Quote from: Taterhead on May 02 2019 08:47:03 AM MDT
Quote from: danielboss21 on May 02 2019 06:05:31 AM MDT
Have u reloaded the Magtech brass?
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I found a few dozen rang pickups. I happen to think that Magtech brass in general is pretty decent. One peculiarity with the CBC (Magtech) headstamps is that the primer pockets are staked. So I swaged tbose primer pockets before loading.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G3D5qbFp/20190112_123512.jpg)
Evil satanic bastards that created crimped primer pockets. The scourge of progressive reloading! >:D
It is curious to me how much commercial ammo has crimped primers. That is particularly true of 223.
Years ago I bought the RCBS press mounted die set thinking I'd upgrade to a Dillon Super Swage if volume increased. Well, volume did increase, but I ended up liking the tool more than expected. Several thousands of swaged rounds later, I haven't felt the need to upgrade.
I invested in a Dillon Super Swage and I must say its wonderful. You can set it up with a rubber band ejector (YouTube ) and you can go quite quickly. I also have the RCBS motorized case prep station that I used to cut the crimp off with; needless to say it only gets used for neck chamfering since I got the super swage. For 5.56 I set it up for LC brass and it works great for all other stuff I've encountered (Hornady, Fed, etc). Definitely worth the investment if you're going to be loading alot in the future.
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Quote from: Taterhead on May 02 2019 04:51:04 PM MDT
It is curious to me how much commercial ammo has crimped primers. That is particularly true of 223.
Mall ninjas gotta have mil-spec. :P
Thanks for all the feedback!
Let me ask this now...if u needed to buy 500 rounds to get into your first 10 mm BUT wanted to reload the spent casing what brand would u buy?
Wanna buy 500 off the jump cuz I'm too excited to wait!
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Underwood Ammo
https://www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/products/range-supply-10mm-auto-180-grain-full-metal-jacket?variant=18785696546873 (https://www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/products/range-supply-10mm-auto-180-grain-full-metal-jacket?variant=18785696546873)
Fenix Ammo
https://fenixammo.com/collections/fxp-defensive-ammo-factory-new/products/10mm-auto-180gr-fxp (https://fenixammo.com/collections/fxp-defensive-ammo-factory-new/products/10mm-auto-180gr-fxp)
Bulk Ammo
https://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-10mm-ammo-10mm180grmcremumc-500 (https://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-10mm-ammo-10mm180grmcremumc-500)
Ammo Man
https://www.ammoman.com/10mm-auto-remington-umc-180-grain-metal-cased-l10mm6 (https://www.ammoman.com/10mm-auto-remington-umc-180-grain-metal-cased-l10mm6)
Ammo Depot
https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/speer-gold-dot-10mm-200-grain-jhp.html?unit_type=21 (https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/speer-gold-dot-10mm-200-grain-jhp.html?unit_type=21)
You might ask these guys at Georgia Arms when they get more in stock...t: 888-623-6861 770-459-5117
http://www.georgia-arms.com/new-10mm-180gr-full-metal-jacket/ (http://www.georgia-arms.com/new-10mm-180gr-full-metal-jacket/)
http://www.georgia-arms.com/10mm-180gr-full-metal-jacket/ (http://www.georgia-arms.com/10mm-180gr-full-metal-jacket/)
One that Shadow listed - Underwood's Range Supply 10mm / 180 Grain Full Metal Jacket isn't the cheapest, but is great stuff
Quote from: danielboss21 on May 03 2019 10:56:56 AM MDT
Thanks for all the feedback!
Let me ask this now...if u needed to buy 500 rounds to get into your first 10 mm BUT wanted to reload the spent casing what brand would u buy?
Wanna buy 500 off the jump cuz I'm too excited to wait!
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If Georgia Arms still loaded with Starline Brass, I'd probably do that.
I mark all my 10mm brass for ease of pickup. Hate to loose any of my starline.
https://youtu.be/4tUEjm94fAo
Quote from: MyAlias789 on May 05 2019 07:17:25 AM MDT
I mark all my 10mm brass for ease of pickup. Hate to loose any of my starline.
https://youtu.be/4tUEjm94fAo
Very nice marking idea and unit! 8)