I am new to loading 10s but I have been loading 9s and 40s for some time at volume along with 480 here and there. For the 9 and 40 I like to use power pistol as it meters well in my lee turet. I plan on testing powders (when I can get more primers...) to see what works best for my gun. I see a lot about 800x, long shot, and blue dot. I have long shot, power pistol and a couple AA(5 & 9 I think). I don't see much posted on power pistol but was wondering everyone's experience with it for loading 10s. I plan on loading mostly 180-200gr jacketed bullets (I have some xtps and nosler handgun). Thanks!
mjk3454, Welcome to the forum! Power Pistol is a good powder for the 10mm, it is said to produce bright fireballs. I have used it in several loadings and some of the commercial loaders are using it as well. It can be a little fast for some applications, but is clean burning for most. I really like it in 9mm and 40S&W...
It is hard to beat the performance of 800X for the yield and LongShot which measures nearly identical for a given load runs about the same velocities, from mild to wild. Blue Dot is one I have used since I started loading 10mm back early 1990, it is still one of my most used powders.
Best regards, ;D
Thanks for the reply shadow! It will be interesting to see a fireball out of a semi auto...I was used to seeing those out of my big revolvers.
I have loaded a couple hundred with 155 gr xtp and power pistol and love it. The blue dot is a flame thrower haha great hunting load potential. I will be starting a power pistol target load with 165 gr plated tmj when I can score some more brass.
I've been wanting to score myself some 10mm brass, but without putting in an order directly with Starline, I'm not so sure that's gonna happen. I'ld expect Starline themselves is even backed up on distributor orders right now, and I doubt we would come before the distributors.
I think Starlines current date is in April. I do know if you dont get in the Que you'll not get any. Mine got here a month or so back as promised.
Starline dealings have been first class. Get yer brass on order.
Get on Starline's list. Everytime I have ordered it has been a backorder, but I generally get my order within a month or so.
Quote from: The_Shadow on March 08 2013 03:16:04 PM MST
mjk3454, Welcome to the forum! Power Pistol is a good powder for the 10mm, it is said to produce bright fireballs. I have used it in several loadings and some of the commercial loaders are using it as well. It can be a little fast for some applications, but is clean burning for most. I really like it in 9mm and 40S&W...
It is hard to beat the performance of 800X for the yield and LongShot which measures nearly identical for a given load runs about the same velocities, from mild to wild. Blue Dot is one I have used since I started loading 10mm back early 1990, it is still one of my most used powders.
Best regards, ;D
Really? To me fireballs mean the powder is not all burned before the bullet exits the barrel, which mean's you are wasting powder. The best powders should produce very LITTLE flame out the end, signifying that all the powder burned.
That can be one reason, but not the only reason.
Yeah, that can be one reason. No flash at any top velocity level for 10mm is pretty much nonexistent too. There's always going to be some, it's more about keeping it under some amount of control and some powders simply seem to be inherently better at this than others, regardless how much powder (within some sort of reason) is still burning after the bullet leaves the barrel.
I'm new here and to to loading 10mm but have been reloading rifle , pistol and shotgun shells for over 25 years. I just got a Glock 20 Gen4 and have the LW guide rod, guide rod adapter and spacer ordered for my gun. Next will be a LW 6" barrel
10mmTim, Hello and welcome to the forum! :D Congrats on your G-20 4th gen, I hope you have run some rounds down the pipe in the stock configuration to check out for any issues?
When it comes to loading the 10mm, I have added steps to my loading practices to insure 100% reliability for feed and function.
I "Pass-Thru" size all my cases in the LEE FCD with it's guts removed to restore make them uniform.
Then run them in my regular RCBS carbide sizer die to de-prime and improve neck tension.
Then expander die is used to uniform them to accept the bullets being used.
Then I hand prime all my cases.
Then hand weigh my powder charges and seat a bullet without any crimp being applied, this allows more uniform seating.
Then I run them in the taper crimp die to finish with proper crimp.
When it comes to semi autos I am very anal about reliability... ;D
Quote from: 10mmTim on March 25 2013 11:08:32 AM MDTI just got a Glock 20 Gen4 and have the LW guide rod, guide rod adapter and spacer ordered for my gun. Next will be a LW 6" barrel
Well nothing personal here, but I HATE Glocks! And the first thing people seem to want to do to them is put in a third party barrel. I would have just put that Glock cost and the barrel money into a gun that fits my small short fingered hand better, like my two 1911's.
Quote from: gandog56 on March 25 2013 01:12:17 PM MDT
Quote from: 10mmTim on March 25 2013 11:08:32 AM MDTI just got a Glock 20 Gen4 and have the LW guide rod, guide rod adapter and spacer ordered for my gun. Next will be a LW 6" barrel
Well nothing personal here, but I HATE Glocks! And the first thing people seem to want to do to them is put in a third party barrel. I would have just put that Glock cost and the barrel money into a gun that fits my small short fingered hand better, like my two 1911's.
You've never modified/upgraded anything that had more than zero cost on any gun for any attribute you saw to your liking on any firearm you've ever owned?
Hate is a strong word. I get all individuals having an opinion. But to
hate a Glock? Why would anyone ever
hate a Glock even if they never chose to own one? It's an inanimate object that is generally recieved well by the masses. Hate?
Back to the OP question. I loaded some 180gr cast FN to 1.25~ and WLP. The charge that seemed most consistent and fun to shoot was 8.5gr of PP. The chrono showed an average of 1315fps and the brass and primers looked the same as the ones flying at 950fps (6" SL barrel). The Lee book shows a lower velocity for lead and the other sources don't have much info on PP. There was some smoke upon firing which I often see shooting the lubed lead and flash was only visible a few times (I shot late morning so hard to see that anyway). Just throwing this in the thread to keep it on track.
If you come to the 10mm firearms forum and expect us to stay on topic....you're gonna have a bad time :P
What kind of lube were you using. I have found LLA to be VERY smokey, but others, like Felix or Carnuba Red to be almost smoke free. Also depends on whether the bullet bases had lube on them.
I don't cast my own. A local shop sells some or I buy them online. The lube on these (from the local gun shop) is blue.
As for staying on topic I'm all for tangents unless the conversation starts circling the drain ;-)
Oh, we circle the drain ;D
In my experience commercially cast bullets might as well be lubed with crayons. I generally favor a medium soft lube rather than hard, and in hard lubes I like lots of carnuba.
But soft lubes don't ship well, as they are messy when they tumble around, and carnuba wax is not cheap. So often commercial lubes are basically paraffin wax + die. It works good enough most of the time, but is smokey and un-forgiving. Next fit, poor lube is the biggest reason you hear so many horror stories about leading. They are by guys who buy commercially cast bullets to save a buck without really learning what it takes to make cast bullets work well.
Commercial bullets work well enough, or they wouldn't exist anymore. Just ranting. I bet we could cut the smoke way down with a better lube though.
Quote from: The_Shadow on March 25 2013 12:06:33 PM MDT
10mmTim, Hello and welcome to the forum! :D Congrats on your G-20 4th gen, I hope you have run some rounds down the pipe in the stock configuration to check out for any issues?
I have put a couple hundred factory rounds through my new Glock 20 gen4 without any problems but ammo and bullets are a real pain to get right now. I have 165gr Berrys FP I shoot in my 40 and 155 xtp's. I just got 5000 Starline 10mm brass yesterday from them. Looking to run 180 & 200 grain bullets in the 10mm at faster velocity than most factory loaded ammo. Looking for a place to start at in the loading manuals once I get bullets.
,I have #9,Blue Dot,Longshot,Auto Comp,#5 Universal Clays,International Clay and several other powders here to work with.
Quote from: 10mmTim on March 27 2013 09:57:28 AM MDT
,I have #9,Blue Dot,Longshot,Auto Comp,#5 Universal Clays,International Clay and several other powders here to work with.
As you may know, those first three are excellent choices for full power 10mm. The others are all a bit too fast for full power but would work for varying levels of reduced loads.
I've used Unique, Blue Dot, AA#9, AA#7, and HP38 for my 185 grain loads.