OK just bought some 350 Legend rounds. They are Winchester 145g fmj and were only 8.50 for 20 rounds. Leads me to believe the guns may be available soon. Winchester website has more guns available in this round than they did a month ago. Boy if I could take a picture I would but never have very much success in that regard. Well I have 20 to shoot and 20 empties to reload after I shoot. All I need now is a gun and I am all set. :o Craig
Craig, you should take pictures, you should pull one down carefully to see and document what's inside so you can possibly duplicate the load.
Good luck to you finding a firearm for the ammo!
MGM has encore barrels on hand, couple places have AR uppers if your into them.
Wade(Shadow) I just plan to measure vel on the factory rounds and measure the same on the reloads and go from there. I have been loading 300 blackout for a few years and have a feel for those so using Lil'gun I have a jumping off place so to speak. You know I like them light anyway so will be loading no greater than factory or lighter. Craig ;D
OK got one apart and found the camera and will take pictures after the battery is charged up. It is 21 grains even and the powder is very fine but uniform in size granular. Must be a slow powder as you would expect from a rifle round. I used my Hornady press mounted bullet puller so this is a very accurate measurement. Course a 145 grain bullet is a little weird for 357 FMJ but what the hay. I also will explore if a standard 357 die set will work with this 350 Legend. I think it will as to make the size right you mainly have to screw out dies. The sizing die is the question I feel. I will know today and report back. Craig
Probably need to keep that ammo in a special place for later. Might be a dandy collector item. This is another round that answers the question very few ever thought about asking. I doubt you see the rifle at all. Where are they going to sell it? It's less than a 30-30 if you hand load, 2300'ps vs 2500'ps for a 150gr bullet. That it's the fastest straight wall case is like saying I have the fastest lawn mower in the county- who cares? If a straight wall case is required, there's the 375 Winchester, 38-55, and obviously many more that are larger. For Winchester, it ranks right up there with their supposed short magnums. They didn't do anything that an already existing round didn't. And many of those short magnums had extremely short barrel life- less than 500 rounds. But, back to the"legend", just what are you supposed to do with a 260gr bullet out of one? Velocity at just over 1000'ps. Makes no sense. That makes it about 50% less than a 44 mag rifle using the 270gr bullets at 1625'ps.
(//)Lets try this again. Craig
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I just noticed that if you click on the picture it gets much bigger and you can see the powder much better. Wade you may be able to tell what this powder is when you see it. I am now better at the picture thing but it's a struggle. >:( Craig
Need a close up of just the powder in the pan to get the best look and see, also a weight of the charge helps too
I did say 21 grains was the charge but I will try to retake powder picture. Craig
Oops I screwed up again!! I have already reloaded the 350 Legend I took apart for powder etc. I can take it apart again and shoot a picture tomorrow. Craig
What powder did you thing it was Craig? This being a new cartridge and not any loading data yet for it...
However looking at the 357Maximum with a 150 grain Bullet they show 23 grains of H-110 making 1724 fps from 10 BBL
350 Legend case length is 1.710?
357Maximum case length is 1.605"
The 350 minimum cartridge overall length is 2.125? and the maximum is 2.260?
It's the "fastest straight-walled hunting cartridge." Here's the velocities they provided:
145 grn FMJ – 2,350 fps
150 grn Deer Season XP – 2,325 fps
265 grn Super Suppressed – 1,060 fps
160 grn Power Max Bonded – 2,225 fps
180 grn Power-Point – 2,100 fps
(//) OK this is a close up shot of the powder. Not sure if it's clear but it's the best so far and BTW it is 21 grains or 20.9 but closer to 21. This is a different round than yesterday that I just pulled down today. Craig
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One more thing don't forget to click on the picture as it will enlarge it to see better. Craig
Craig, I cant be totally sure but we may be looking at the Hodgdon CFE Black powder. However Winchester is one that will blend powders for what they want...like they did for AA#9 back in the early days where they Blended WC820 & WC350.
Hodgdon CFE Black
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The powder is more uniform than your pictures but I did find some wierd stuff mixed in to the secound round I unloaded. but almost 1 particle for every 300 parts of powder. Go figure. I will call Winchester on monday as a friend at the local gun shop said he had a friend that got all kinds of load data from them.It's worth a try as when I called them yesterday they said the guns would not be out untill the end of August. Craig
Those strange particles may be some flash suppressant and copper fouling reducing agents? ??? I know I see that in other powders newer to the markets as well...
After calling Winchester and been given the ammo number I call and after talking to several people was put into a persons voicemail. Well I will call again when I can. Craig
Called Win this morning and talked to the ammo guy and Wade was correct in his guess that this is a special mix powder that I could get no info from the guy. Don't really care as I will work up my own load with Lil Gun or the like. Craig
This is later... I had a Ruger American rifle in my hands today but didn't buy it as I am not sure I want it vs. the Winchester. Oh well at leased something is available in this caliber. I will look at it some more but a few things about it are nice. It's a shorter rifle and the trigger was very nice. It looked like a bull barrel but not to sure about that. Definitely thicker than other calibers. Will look some more!! Craig
Craig I even saw where they are making an AR version of the 350 Legend. Keep you sights set on the one you want! :D
I picked up a Ruger Bolt in 350
I had some a scary pressure spikes and since I only bought factory ammo was for the brass I would pull everything. What I found was case lengths ALL OVER THE MAP!! Powder charges varied from 21.5 to 24 grs in same lott. Newer lot I fould powder charges closer with a 21-22.5 variance.
I trimmed all brass to 1.708, then charged all cases with 21.8g of factory powder and seated a re sized 140 FTX sized to .356.
I gotta tell you. My RE MAN ammo shoots 1/2 MOA groups!!!
I wont shoot any more factory FMJ, but Ill be pulling and RE loading as its a very accurate load!!
Cw
cwlongshot, can you post a picture of the actual powder of the factory loads? Interesting about spiking pressures.
I didnt take a pic of it.
Its very round close to powders in 22 magnums I have pulled.
IMHO. The spikes are from long cases and too much crimp.
CW
Been shooting & loading this weekly since
Top load is still the rebuilt factory using a ftx 140.
Just this week got some 165 FTX to try
CW