Two new listings on Gallery of Guns!
https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/PowerSearchTabView/SearchResultsFirearms.aspx?&mfg=Smith%20%26%20Wesson&mdl=All&cat=All&type=All&cal=10MM&rebate=No&zipcode=52806
From the smith site.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-610-10mm-revolver-65
Interesting. Would be in for a 6.5" version if true.
Both were shown as out of stock 6.5 and 4.125
I'd honestly be happier if they'd crank out an M&P in 10mm. All three links from the buy now button on the S&W website show it out of stock. Maybe they're counting clicks and making up their mind. :)
Gunblast was showing them off today. Back in production!
As much as I like 10mm for $1000 I'd be looking at a Dan Wesson 715 when it comes to a revolver.
Nice!
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/03/smith-wesson-model-610-reintroduced-for-spring-2019/#axzz5jLVBoNNM
Osage says that they getting some in soon.
https://www.osagecountyguns.com/blog/news/smith-wesson/sw-re-releases-revolver-model-610-10mm/
Let's hope Bud's has the real street price. I wasn't really in at $1000, but $766-$789 looks much better.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/53551/s%26w+m610+10mm+65+wo+stainless
Same price for both barrel lengths? I'll take a 6.5 inch one please. :)
While I don't dislike the idea of a 610, I already own the nice S&W Mountain Gun 629-4 4" 44mag pre-lock/pre-mim that only weighs 39oz vs 42+ for the 610. I can easily load from under 700ft lbs to levels that SMOKE the best 10mm can offer. Price used for my superior .44 is about the same as these new and there is no way I would get talked into trading for one.
I see these for someone who does not want to exceed the power level of the 10mm and wants the multiple platforms possible. Who else would NEED one?
Personally, I'll take the Ruger GP100 MC in 10mm. Having shot both brands back to back in 357, I prefer the Ruger. Might as well save some $$$.
...at least they saw the writing on the wall and decided that maybe Ruger shouldn't be making all the money they could have been making on calibers that they have abandon.... Maybe they will smarten up and start producing a .41 Magnum L-frame like the 69 and some .327 J and K-frames....
...well one can hope can't one...
But as long as they have "the hole" my revolver money goes to Ruger....
Bob
There is no doubt I will be buying one of the 6.5" models.
The Rugers are great guns but they are not nearly as refined as the Smith pistols even with a nice action job.
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I have held the Smith and the Ruger back-to-back and the Ruger feels better to me .
How is it you think the Smith is better?
Quote from: terdog on March 29 2019 02:44:31 PM MDT
I have held the Smith and the Ruger back-to-back and the Ruger feels better to me .
How is it you think the Smith is better?
The action is much smoother. I have a converted GP100 with a full action job and the 2 smith revolvers are much slicker and better trigger with just a spring kit.
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Everyone has their preference as to Smith / Ruger.
I would like to buy the 6.5 inch version. I just wish Smith would get away from that damn lock...
QuoteEveryone has their preference as to Smith / Ruger.
100% agree.
And just to be clear, I was honestly asking Mike D for his opinion.
Quote from: RJM52 on March 29 2019 04:32:29 AM MDT
...at least they saw the writing on the wall and decided that maybe Ruger shouldn't be making all the money they could have been making on calibers that they have abandon.... Maybe they will smarten up and start producing a .41 Magnum L-frame like the 69 and some .327 J and K-frames....
...well one can hope can't one...
Bob
I hope they extrapolate that writing on the wall into an MP 10mm. But I know they wont. They haven't had the cahonies to make an auto 10mm for many years.
Anyone have any thoughts on if the new 610 cylinders are long enough to convert to 10mm magnum? Since the 6.5" version is drilled and tapped it would be one awesome hunting pistol.
Interesting to see S&W re-introduce the 'classic' 610. Someone in their 'marketing-department' actually listened. Most of those, who field 10mm, 1911's often have a GP-100, or 610 in the battery to compliment the other handgun. These 'new' revolvers will most likely have the same dimensions as previous incarnations. It would be a neat 'hat trick' if Dan Wesson introduced a 10mm revolver in their 'pistol-pak' format. But I'll accept the 'good news' from S&W. It shows; that the 10mm caliber popularity, is still creating more market-share. That's a good thing for our favorite chambering. There are still a few manufacturing holdouts, who still; do not produce a 10mm autopistol. Some of those being: S&W, FN, Walther, HK, and Steyr. At least, the last-time I checked. Finally, If you don't like auto-pistol cartridges in a revolver, just don't buy one. Leave the rest of us, shoot in peace. :P
I need a 3inch to go with the 6.5in and 4in no locks I already have Smith.
Quote from: mr.revolverguy on April 03 2019 03:26:35 PM MDT
I need a 3inch to go with the 6.5in and 4in no locks I already have Smith.
The 3" Lew Horton is a hoot to shoot! Recoil was manageable with all my preferred loads.(https://i.imgur.com/YycYYf6l.jpg?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/AUH1P3Il.jpg?1)
Quote from: Zephyr on April 01 2019 09:09:59 PM MDT
It would be a neat 'hat trick' if Dan Wesson introduced a 10mm revolver in their 'pistol-pak' format.
I actually reached out to Dan Wesson shortly after they reintroduced their 715 about this.
The answer was more or less that their manufacturing machines are backlogged as it is. Adding another caliber revilver just wasn't feasible. However if they were to expand it would be more likely that they would reintroduce the 44 mag variant before creating a 10mm.
I asked them if they would consider a coversion kit. You know buy the barrel tube, shroud, and cylinder. BAM 10mm. The answer was a simple no.
It's a shame cause I'd buy a Dan Wesson 715 in 10mm in a heartbeat. Well up to $1500 with only one barrel.
Yippie I have one inbound should be here next week one more 10 for already growing stable..... :o
Going to pick mine up today then do some testing vs the Ruger Wiley Clapp 10.
I ran the following through both guns one then same loads through the other.
Here is my opinion;
Smith is N frame larger than the Ruger
Both hold 6-rounds
Both use moon clips.
I ran everything from 160 grain FMJ to 200 grain WFN cast GC. These are all top level loadings not the weak down loaded commercial stuff.
Felt recoil the Smith wins hands down the grip and weight of the gun made shooting even the big 200 grain cast easy to control and run. The little Ruger ran better and was more accurate with lighter weight projectiles. The Smith liked them all.
Single action the Smith again edge out the Ruger trigger broke clean and with less effort and was more predictable.
Accuracy in single action the Smith took the prize. I think that has more to do with the excellent single action trigger than anything else.
In double action the Ruger tended to print high on all but the lightest bullets.
The Smith 610 is a little tougher in double action due to the frame size and trigger reach.
The Ruger 3" seems easier to work in double action. Trigger reach is closer just for the record I have pretty big hands but just picking the gun up and putting it on target the Ruger was preferable.
I prefer the green fiber optic sight of Ruger.
I preferred the adjustable rear sights of the Smith.
The 610 is a really nice 10 and I think it edges out the little Ruger overall except with lighter projectiles the Ruger shines.
Both weapons have utility and of course being obsessed with the 10 it great to own both.
The Smith soaks up recoil really well and the trigger on the Smith is waaaaay better than the Ruger. The Ruger is longer and takes more effort to break. The Smith breaks consistently and the double action seemed lighter as well. The stroke for the Smith seemed shorter to me than the Ruger.
Quote from: Ramjet on April 23 2019 09:55:34 AM MDT
I ran the following through both guns one then same loads through the other.
Here is my opinion;
Smith is N frame larger than the Ruger
Both hold 6-rounds
Both use moon clips.
I ran everything from 160 grain FMJ to 200 grain WFN cast GC. These are all top level loadings not the weak down loaded commercial stuff.
Felt recoil the Smith wins hands down the grip and weight of the gun made shooting even the big 200 grain cast easy to control and run. The little Ruger ran better and was more accurate with lighter weight projectiles. The Smith liked them all.
Single action the Smith again edge out the Ruger trigger broke clean and with less effort and was more predictable.
Accuracy in single action the Smith took the prize. I think that has more to do with the excellent single action trigger than anything else.
In double action the Ruger tended to print high on all but the lightest bullets.
The Smith 610 is a little tougher in double action due to the frame size and trigger reach.
The Ruger 3" seems easier to work in double action. Trigger reach is closer just for the record I have pretty big hands but just picking the gun up and putting it on target the Ruger was preferable.
I prefer the green fiber optic sight of Ruger.
I preferred the adjustable rear sights of the Smith.
The 610 is a really nice 10 and I think it edges out the little Ruger overall except with lighter projectiles the Ruger shines.
Both weapons have utility and of course being obsessed with the 10 it great to own both.
The Smith soaks up recoil really well and the trigger on the Smith is waaaaay better than the Ruger. The Ruger is longer and takes more effort to break. The Smith breaks consistently and the double action seemed lighter as well. The stroke for the Smith seemed shorter to me than the Ruger.
I was thinking of adding a Smith when I can find one in stock. It's that or a second Wily Clapp. Is the price delta worth it in your opinion?
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Well if you only looking at price and depending on what you are using the gun for.
In our state the barrel length is too short for hunting so it would be for SD or personal protection. I would be honest and say no it's not worth the price delta.
In fact today I ran some close qtr drills from the holster strictly double taps center mass. I compared it with my Thunder Ranch model 325. The 325 was significantly better for a number of reasons. 45 amp softer shooting than factory 180 grain HP from the 10 and the TR has even a better trigger than the 610. Of course the TR is Customemshop gun so it should be better. but if I am carrying a N frame it would be TR more likely than the 610.
Just being honest here.
For carry I think the 3" Clapp is better than the big Smith.
Quote from: Ramjet on April 25 2019 04:45:43 PM MDT
Well if you only looking at price and depending on what you are using the gun for.
In our state the barrel length is too short for hunting so it would be for SD or personal protection. I would be honest and say no it's not worth the price delta.
In fact today I ran some close qtr drills from the holster strictly double taps center mass. I compared it with my Thunder Ranch model 325. The 325 was significantly better for a number of reasons. 45 amp softer shooting than factory 180 grain HP from the 10 and the TR has even a better trigger than the 610. Of course the TR is Customemshop gun so it should be better. but if I am carrying a N frame it would be TR more likely than the 610.
Just being honest here.
For carry I think the 3" Clapp is better than the big Smith.
Thanks, you've given me enough information to make an informed decision. Much appreciated!
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I've really been feeling the pull of the 6.5" 610. Went to the range/gun shop today and the clerk ends up putting a new DA/SA 3" Kimber K6S in my hands as well as a new King Cobra. Dry firing the Kimber was better than the King Cobra, which wasn't terrible. The smaller cylinder of the Kimber, better sights, trigger pull, and weight of the Kimber make it a no brainer.
Can't afford a 610 and a K6S at the moment. Don't know how long the new 610 will me made. Might be losing my mind :o Which one to buy first?
The question really is how many 610 is S&W building. If it's in the thousands then you may be able to buy both over time. If it's a few hundred then better buy the 610 now. ;D
What would be, even more interesting; would be to see a King Cobra in 10mm. Perhaps, the Anaconda would-be more germane. But I can see your dilemma. I would probably, go with the sage advice already given, and grab a 610 first. As a manufacturer, S&W can be quite capricious when comes to the 610 runs. The Kimber will always be there, when your ready. The Colt does look inviting though.
(https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Colt-Cobra-600x389.jpg)
Honestly, considering the cost of the King Cobra and it's lack of a proper rear sight, I'd take the K6S DASA over it. The fully recessed cylinders on the Kimber are a nice touch, too. I haven't been able to find a new 610 in the flesh to examine. Decisions-decisions.....
I have been shooting quite a bit with my two Revolvers the Ruger 3" and the 610. I am really liking the S&W more each time I shoot it. It is really accurate with 155 grain and below bullets. Like the Ruger they seem to prefer lighter bullets. But the Smith is in my opinion that much better. I like heft and the trigger out of the box is fantastic and getting better with every shot. No comparison double action between the two. Does this mean I will dump the Ruger ? No but I sure prefer the Smith after running several hundred rounds of each through the two. As far as cast the the Smith ha does and shoots the 200 grain WFN GC well and the recoil is more manageable with the big Smith. Carrying purposes the Ruger is slightly better but not enough to leave the Smith home.
So observations;
Both platforms shoot better with lighter fast projectiles
Double action trigger Smith wins out.
Recoil is more manageable in the Smith vs the Ruger.