Remington rifle settlement, including free trigger replacement, is official
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/10/24/remington-rifle-settlement-is-official.html?fbclid=IwAR2ynGVO8N6Lw5dCXPMBgRGpvWVEzGUoPCyn10EMxhYHqGdq-7sDGhlJLbU (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/10/24/remington-rifle-settlement-is-official.html?fbclid=IwAR2ynGVO8N6Lw5dCXPMBgRGpvWVEzGUoPCyn10EMxhYHqGdq-7sDGhlJLbU)
I put a Trigger Tech replacement in my 1963 700ADL and it breaks like glass, very predictable and increased my accuracy a bunch.
Took about 1/2 hr and dropped right in.....fantastic trigger.
I would hate to send in my rifle for a six month wait to get it back.
I'm just speculating on the turnaround time etc, but getting a repair done always seems to take a long time...
I remember watching some TV show about this years ago. They stated that the same trigger design was used on all their shotguns. There seems to be no rash of shotguns going off on their own. It made me wonder if this is more of an example of home trigger jobs gone wrong as more people are concerned about trigger pull on rifles.
I don't own any Remington bolt guns because I'm left handed. Big Green has ignored lefties for a long time. I don't have one to take apart and examine.
Perhaps someone with greater knowledge of this issue could weigh in.
It is lost on me if the issue is really a concern of not. I have a Remington 700 PSS in 300 win mag. It doesn't get shot a huge amount, but does get out there a couple times a year. I have been very happy with the quality and accuracy of mine.
It certainly seems the frequency of this issue manifesting is very low. I don't plan on taking any action at this time. I also don't plan on futzing with the trigger in my rifle. It is fine as it came from the factory.
Can't even remember where I picked this advice up but I always do this when adjusting/lightening the trigger pull on a bolt gun. Once the desired pull weight is achieved and the stock is still off, whack the crap out of the cocked action with a rubber or rawhide mallet. Do it with the safety on and off.
Apparently this occurred when owners tried to adjust the triggers themselves. That having been said I did swap out the trigger on my 700 ADL for a Timney.
My two Model 700 .308's (700P and Varmint) retain the original Remington triggers.
Quote from: 4949shooter on October 26 2018 05:56:27 AM MDT
Apparently this occurred when owners tried to adjust the triggers themselves. That having been said I did swap out the trigger on my 700 ADL for a Timney.
My two Model 700 .308's (700P and Varmint) retain the original Remington triggers.
Were I after a better pull, I would certainly go the Timney route.
So........(and I am NOT making light of this) - I don't at all trust those press stories (for reasons we need not detail)
Did any of these rifles go off with no trigger pulls?
Did anyone get hurt or killed, and none of the 4 rules were violated?
Just trying to get a better image, because I have not seen a true technical detail. Of course if someone has the actual tech, that would be great. Thanks!
Quote from: Pablo on October 26 2018 08:29:17 AM MDT
So........(and I am NOT making light of this) - I don't at all trust those press stories (for reasons we need not detail)
Did any of these rifles go off with no trigger pulls?
Did anyone get hurt or killed, and none of the 4 rules were violated?
Just trying to get a better image, because I have not seen a true technical detail. Of course if someone has the actual tech, that would be great. Thanks!
People were hurt and killed. If I remember correctly, some incidents involved minor shocks to the guns involved. Claims were made that the guns went off with the safeties on, etc. Remington's argument was that it wasn't a repeatable thing in lab testing. An internal memo at Remington warned of this possibility and the lawyers jumped on it.
As I mentioned in my previous post, Remington shotguns also used the same trigger system. Haven't heard a thing about those. Maybe heavier springs, maybe not tinkered with, I don't know.
This isn't the first time something like this has happened and probably won't be the last. Some Ruger MKIII .22s would fire when the safety was moved from on to off. I don't believe anyone was hurt or killed with those. Ruger dealt with it in a timely manner. Remington could have done the same without a complete recall. All they had to do was offer to replace any trigger groups that had been modified, or if you didn't trust yours.
Thanks Gray. So an actual malfunction perhaps. Light spring, insufficient contact.....
Since people were hurt/killed, I don't want to make light of this in any way. In once case, IIRC, it was a mother holding the rifle and her child that was killed. As a father of six I can't imagine that level of emotional pain.
Whether the rifle is faulty or not, people were injured in part due to a failure to follow the rules of firearms safety, including "Never point a firearm at anything you do not wish to destroy", and "Be sure of your target and what is beyond".
I pray I never have to learn first hand about the pain that comes from forgetting, even for a moment.
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 26 2018 02:49:43 PM MDT
Since people were hurt/killed, I don't want to make light of this in any way. In once case, IIRC, it was a mother holding the rifle and her child that was killed. As a father of six I can't imagine that level of emotional pain.
Whether the rifle is faulty or not, people were injured in part due to a failure to follow the rules of firearms safety, including "Never point a firearm at anything you do not wish to destroy", and "Be sure of your target and what is beyond".
I pray I never have to learn first hand about the pain that comes from forgetting, even for a moment.
Well said brother.
Ok I had to go get some info...
Here's an interesting read from December 2014
This is a quote from the article
"Remington's 700 series, which began with the Model 721 shortly after World War II, has been wildly popular not only with hunters and target shooters, but also with law enforcement and the U.S. military. The gun is prized for its accuracy and smooth operation, thanks to a unique trigger mechanism patented in the 1940s by Remington engineer Merle "Mike" Walker.
But the CNBC investigation revealed that even before the gun went on the market, Walker himself had discovered a potential problem with the trigger he designed. In a 1946 memo, he warned of a "theoretical unsafe condition" involving the gun's safety—the mechanism that's supposed to keep the rifle from firing accidentally.
Subsequent memos during the testing process noted guns could be made to fire simply by switching off the safety or operating the bolt. "This situation can be very dangerous from a safety and functional point of view," said a 1947 inspection report.
While Walker contended the issue had to do with the manufacturing process and not his design, critics including firearms experts and plaintiffs' attorneys have argued that the same aspects of the design that allow the gun to fire so smoothly also make it possible for internal parts of the trigger to become misaligned, rendering the gun unsafe. Specifically, they cite a tiny part called a "trigger connector," which they say can become clogged with rust or debris. Under the settlement, Remington plans to replace the triggers with "connectorless" mechanisms—a similar fix to one Walker himself proposed in 1948.
Walker died in 2013 at age 101. But he told CNBC in 2010 that he believed Remington's rejection of his proposal back then "had something to do with cost." A 1948 internal analysis obtained by CNBC estimated the cost of the change to be 5 ½ cents per gun."
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/12/05/remington-to-replace-millions-of-model-700-rifle-triggers.html
The grand majority of the time this is because of two things.
Messing with sear to cocking mechanism surfaces in search of better trigger pull
or
Letting years of crap build up due to substandard cleaning
Also, what rifle is that in the picture? That sure looks like a savage accutrigger and the bottom of that bolt doesn't look like any Remington rifle I have seen. Safety looks right, but several companies do similar safeties.
Back in the late 70's they recalled all XP-100s for trigger refits. At the time, I had the factory trigger crisp and breaking clean at 1.5 lbs. I was shooting against sporting rifles and took a lot of money home with it. After the trigger refit, about as good a group as I can get with it is 1.5" at 100 yds. I can't get anywhere near as good a trigger as I had and since I quit shooting it, there was no need for an aftermarket trigger. But since then, the family pretty doesn't carry any rifle on safety, that just isn't good enough. Before it comes in the house it's unloaded outside. It stays unloaded until you're ready to go hunting. The bolts are left open with covers over the muzzle. Once at the vehicle, we chamber a round but then pull the bolt back up. You can drop it, pull the trigger, beat on it, it's not going off. If a varmint runs out, all you have to do is close the bolt and it's ready.
After market triggers. I guess I've had them all. One of the bench rifles which is a Sako action with a Hart Match Air Lapped barrel has a Dayton Traster, I have the Jewell's,among other and of course Timney and Rifle Basix. For a hunting rifle where you would expect hunting ranges in excess of 300 yds, the Rifle Basix is hard to beat. I put one in a Remington 700 that had the J Lok crap in the bolt. I replaced the guts of the bolt with a Callahan Speed Lok and got rid of that mess. Put a Rifle Basix in it and the thing thinks it's as good as any 308 bench rifle out there. Shot several one hole groups with the standard weight barrel. So if you're considering replacing the trigger in any Remington, take a good look at the Rifle Basix.
I have had several 700's of various flavors over the years. I currently have 2, both with the factory stock X-Mark Pro triggers. I have not made any adjustments at all to these and do not plan to. I have not had the recalls done either. They work great for me and I expect them to for years to come.