It appears that Lone Wolf Dist. is finally getting around to offering a large frame 45acp/10mm option to their Timberwolf frame. I have been waiting around 3 years for this and now it's finally coming out. However, now that there are so many other pistols being offered, I'm not sure I will jump on it like I planned.
Yeah. I hear you. Long ago I pined for a non-Glock polymer option. I finally caved and picked up a G20 and G29. Now there are lots of other options.
I am disappointed that LWD isn't offering those Dusan made stainless steel conversion barrels. :'( They are pushing the Alpha Wolf line of products but yet to have as much as previous offerings.
I would be interested in a 6.02" 357Sig conversion for the G-20SF, this barrel would also fit the G-40's. They are not catering to the G-20 / G-40 other than 10mm Alpha Wolf 6.02" or 6.61" threaded option.
I have contacted KKM about getting a 6.02" 357 conversion but they were not receptive to that conversion... :(
At one time they offered the 10mm 9", conversions in various lengths 40S&W, 357Sig 9x25Dillon and even 9mm conversion.
https://www.lonewolfdist.com/TimberwolfConfig.aspx
This was promised....what 5 years ago? maybe more...... :o
Anyway, will order for me 20L. Funny thing, is my 20SF can be made whole again with the original slide, so it's like I'm gaining another 10mm gun. ;D
I merged these topics since they were about the same thing.
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 26 2018 08:08:39 AM MDT
I merged these topics since they were about the same thing.
Thanks! Odd I didn't see this thread. Ordered this AM.
https://www.lonewolfdist.com/TimberwolfConfig.aspx
Seems like a pretty huge size upgrade from the standard G20 frame.
Anybody picked one up yet?
I'm very interested in some actual measurements of the front-to-back grip dimension, any difficulties or gotchas finishing and assembling it, and its reliability.
Another merged topic.
Thanks sqlbullet. I didn't realize there was already a topic for this.
Quote from: Keiichi on November 02 2018 04:04:23 PM MDT
https://www.lonewolfdist.com/TimberwolfConfig.aspx
Seems like a pretty huge size upgrade from the standard G20 frame.
Anybody picked one up yet?
I'm very interested in some actual measurements of the front-to-back grip dimension, any difficulties or gotchas finishing and assembling it, and its reliability.
What do you mean "pretty huge size upgrade"? They advertise the grip circumference as smaller.
I have ordered one, but my FFL is being a slug about sending the copy to LW.
Quote from: Pablo on November 02 2018 04:23:33 PM MDT
What do you mean "pretty huge size upgrade"? They advertise the grip circumference as smaller.
That's exactly the size I'm talking about - specifically the front-to-back dimension. My only complaint about the G20 Gen4 is that it's just a bit too big for my medium sized hands to be comfortable when I'm using a proper grip.
If they shave off 3.5 - 4 mm on that dimension (or even more ideally 4.5 - 5 mm), that's a pretty huge size upgrade for me.
Very interested in seeing some actual measurements for length, width, and circumference to see if it's actually worth getting excited about.
Quote from: Keiichi on November 03 2018 09:09:14 AM MDT
Quote from: Pablo on November 02 2018 04:23:33 PM MDT
What do you mean "pretty huge size upgrade"? They advertise the grip circumference as smaller.
That's exactly the size I'm talking about - specifically the front-to-back dimension. My only complaint about the G20 Gen4 is that it's just a bit too big for my medium sized hands to be comfortable when I'm using a proper grip.
If they shave off 3.5 - 4 mm on that dimension (or even more ideally 4.5 - 5 mm), that's a pretty huge size upgrade for me.
Very interested in seeing some actual measurements for length, width, and circumference to see if it's actually worth getting excited about.
"pretty huge size"
I got stuck on that....... ;) :D ;D
Here ".............TWL fits in your hand like a much smaller pistol - in fact we measured the grip circumference of the most popular factory 9mm service pistol, and the Timberwolf Large was only .007" larger. That's only the width of a couple of human hairs, giving you real .45 ACP or 10mm firepower in a 9mm sized package."
lol no worries.
I did see that on the website, but it doesn't really tell me much since I don't know the context of the measured size of the "most popular factory 9mm service pistol" (which I presume is the G17?). Actual measurements of the LWD offering will bring that ambiguity into focus.
I'm calling my FFL today and getting his arse moving......hope he's not sick or anything.
OK Finally the FFL got the stinkin' license to LW. And finally my order will proceed. Holy shit that was slow!!
I have been waiting for them to do this as well but I think I'm just going to hold off and see if Polymer 80 or someone makes one first.
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Quote from: Mike D on November 11 2018 10:38:02 AM MST
I have been waiting for them to do this as well but I think I'm just going to hold off and see if Polymer 80 or someone makes one first.
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Has this been proposed by Polymer80?
I ordered one the other day, should have it later this week.
Picked mine up today. Feels nice in my hand but no time to measure or put the slide on it right now.
I put the long slide on - fits BETTER than stock! Again, no measurements - it FEELS good and right. Not sure how offhand shots with big loads will be....firms grip with two hands feels nice when dry firing...
Glad to hear you're liking it so far, Pablo.
Looking forward to lots more details :D
The odd thing, with the deal on their site ("preorder") you can select the UAT (Ultimate Adjustable Trigger) in the color of your choice. Just for SaG I chose silver. Not really a problem, but they just put bagged silver trigger and parts in the box, and the frame comes with the "stock" black TW LW trigger (which already feels better than Glock) with directions to follow instructions on their site.
Quote from: Pablo on November 11 2018 01:09:38 PM MST
Quote from: Mike D on November 11 2018 10:38:02 AM MST
I have been waiting for them to do this as well but I think I'm just going to hold off and see if Polymer 80 or someone makes one first.
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Has this been proposed by Polymer80?
Not that I've seen. Surely at some point they will come up with a large frame Glock pattern.
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I actually have 5 Polymer80 projects.....ready....to start! ! ;D ??? :o
Quote from: Pablo on November 14 2018 02:35:38 PM MST
I actually have 5 Polymer80 projects.....ready....to start! ! ;D ??? :o
I only have one at the moment.
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Quote from: Mike D on November 14 2018 08:42:32 PM MST
Quote from: Pablo on November 14 2018 02:35:38 PM MST
I actually have 5 Polymer80 projects.....ready....to start! ! ;D ??? :o
I only have one at the moment.
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One subcompact black
Two compacts, one gray, one black
Two "full" size one an old V1.5 FDE (bought from a guy), and the other Brownells exclusive FDE with special texture
I suppose if they made a large frame I would buy it.
Anyway I didn't open the safe to mess with the Timberwolf.
Picked up mine last night. Have not had a lot of time to mess with it but so far I am impressed.
Quote from: Pablo on November 14 2018 04:41:05 AM MST
The odd thing, with the deal on their site ("preorder") you can select the UAT (Ultimate Adjustable Trigger) in the color of your choice. Just for SaG I chose silver. Not really a problem, but they just put bagged silver trigger and parts in the box, and the frame comes with the "stock" black TW LW trigger (which already feels better than Glock) with directions to follow instructions on their site.
Interesting the text on the LW site now says it comes separate. They must read the threads here. :)) ;D :D ;D
Quote from: Pablo on November 14 2018 08:54:23 PM MST
Quote from: Mike D on November 14 2018 08:42:32 PM MST
Quote from: Pablo on November 14 2018 02:35:38 PM MST
I actually have 5 Polymer80 projects.....ready....to start! ! ;D ??? :o
I only have one at the moment.
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One subcompact black
Two compacts, one gray, one black
Two "full" size one an old V1.5 FDE (bought from a guy), and the other Brownells exclusive FDE with special texture
I suppose if they made a large frame I would buy it.
Anyway I didn't open the safe to mess with the Timberwolf.
Received this from P80 on Friday regarding a large frame receiver:
"Hi Mike,
Thank you for your interest in our products. We do have a G20/G21 frame in development that should be available by the end of this year. Please keep an eye out on Facebook, Instagram and our website for information as it is released.
Thank you
Nicky Jarrett"
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Wow. Thanks Mike!
Quote from: Pablo on November 19 2018 11:07:51 AM MST
Wow. Thanks Mike!
You're welcome.
I'll be ordering one for sure when they are released.
Screw HB 7115! [emoji35]
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I have a gripe.
Lone Wolf!!!!!!!!!!
You asses.........The supplied Allen wrench in the UAT trigger kit is way too small to use on the side plate screw. Now I am stuck. Ugg.......
I don't have a supposed .050" Allen key.......or whatever size the screw is......idiots. Man I have a LOT of Allen keys but not that one.
Darn, Pablo. Strike one.
Any chance you can take some measurements? I know I'm prying a bit.
Grip length, width, circumference would be great.
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Keiichi on November 22 2018 09:01:12 PM MST
Darn, Pablo. Strike one.
Any chance you can take some measurements? I know I'm prying a bit.
Grip length, width, circumference would be great.
Thanks in advance.
Maybe tomorrow.
Quote from: Keiichi on November 22 2018 09:01:12 PM MST
Darn, Pablo. Strike one.
Any chance you can take some measurements? I know I'm prying a bit.
Grip length, width, circumference would be great.
Thanks in advance.
Length is 4" on both. Width is 2" LW, 2.125"-2.4" on Glock SF Gen 3. Circumference on LW 5.5", 6.125" Glock SF.
The base of the palm swell is the uncomfortable part of the Glock SF. It doe not hit my hand in the right spot and causes an unsecure grip, IMHO. The LW allows me to choke the sucker and hang on.
Don't know those dims on a regular Glock 20 Gen 3
Thanks very much.
The "width" is about the same on both. Just a tick over 1". My caliper battery died..........
OK finally took the beast to the range and fired a LOT of rounds through it.
First of all, suddenly my "Glock 20L" is super accurate. I was hitting 12g casing at 25 yards easy. I really could finally grip my gun. I never had this kind of accuracy out of the 20SF, never.
ODDLY the gun was suddenly undersprung. Even light factory rounds the gun was slamming against the stop with a 19# non captured Wolff spring.............ugg............
Hey Pablo
Other than the odd spring issue you mentioned, any other gotchas or complications?
Did you go with the fully built lower or did you cannibalize your G20 for frame parts?
How's the fit and finish?
I think I'm gonna pick one up based on the size info you provided (thanks again for that), but I'm not sure which variety of the lower I want to go with...
Quote from: Keiichi on December 29 2018 09:30:18 PM MST
Hey Pablo
Other than the odd spring issue you mentioned, any other gotchas or complications?
Did you go with the fully built lower or did you cannibalize your G20 for frame parts?
How's the fit and finish?
I think I'm gonna pick one up based on the size info you provided (thanks again for that), but I'm not sure which variety of the lower I want to go with...
No. Worked perfectly. I recommend it. Fit and finish are fine - and trust me, Lone Wolf can be a little rough in the fit department after building out the Polymer80s with parts from the top suppliers - I see this first hand. I did the deal for them to assemble because I thought they would put the fancy trigger in. But they just send that UAT trigger separately. That trigger isn't anything that special IMHO. Your call on that, but seems like frames are really easy to assemble now after wrestling with multiple Poly80s
It's cool because I now just have essentially a stock 20SF back in the stable.
The problem is the usual LW problem. They were to slow to the market. This may hurt their sales, but the product is OK.
If Polymer80 comes out with a large frame, that would be tempting in some ways - but they probably will have teething issues - pins lining up and such - trust me, tolerance stack up on those kits can be fun.
I have been away.
SO GLAD to see this is a reality! Ill get my GS to send out the license and get myself one for sure! My G20 slide has been vacant too long!
CW
Hmm, I missed that they're also offering G29/30 frames... My woods gun will be getting a new frame!
Well, I ordered mine today. Full size, textured, built, w/ polymer trigger shoe.
I'll write up some notes on it after I get it to the range with my G20 and G40, and also try it out on my MechTech.
Just got back from the range. 200 rounds of cheap S&B I can buy at my range for $13 per box of 50. Not a lot of rounds, but enough for an initial commentary. I split them between my G20 and G40 slides, favoring the G20. No difference between them from a reliability standpoint.
So, the elephant in the room from my perspective: the grip on the Timberwolf lower is night and day easier to hold and shoot than the standard G20 grip. I have small-ish hands, so I was never really confident that I could control the standard one well enough for defensive use, but if you have any issues with the standard grip then I highly recommend this as an alternative. I finally felt like I was shooting the pistol instead of just holding on best I could.
The grip angle changed to slightly more upright than the stock grip, and the majority of reduced size appears to have come from eliminating the large gap at the back of the grip entirely. Note that if you use accessories that make use of that gap (ie. storing a laser battery or something) that option isn't available here. The finger grooves are gone, so until a gen 5 G20 comes out, here's your best option for getting rid of those ridges - definitely an improvement for me.
The basic stippling is good, but nothing to shout about or complain about. Slightly more abrasive than the standard Glock frame.
I did have to adjust my grip a bit, as my normal technique of aligning my thumbs along the side of the pistol repeatedly engaged the slide stop. I may swap the standard slide stop back in so I can use the grip I'm used to. Not necessarily a knock against the enhanced slide stop that comes with the built frame, but mildly annoying for me.
I'm not going to comment on the effect the new frame had on my accuracy, since 1) I'm not a great pistol marksman yet; 2) I also changed the sights on the slide, so I was also getting used to them.
The fit and finish is at least on par with the standard frame. I took off the mag well accessory.
The trigger is an interesting thing. Take my impressions with a grain of salt, but here you go... It feels very smooth, with a long take-up which feels like it has three stages - easy, heavier, break - though the break is consistent and the reset is notably short. I don't shoot to reset. It's different from the stock trigger, no doubt about that. The trigger pull felt heavier overall, or maybe longer is the better word, but not more difficult to shoot (possibly a result of my grip being so much better).
I think that covers all the bases. I did attempt to mount my MechTech upper, but while I was able to get it to latch, rack, and release the striker at home, I wasn't able to get it to latch at the range. The frame is marginally longer at the muzzle end than the standard frame, and the foam pad sized to hold the standard frame in place against the locking block is slightly too thick to accept the Timberwolf frame. I could shave off some of the pad, but that would likely make the standard frame incompatible with my MechTech upper; so I'm gonna leave it be, dedicate my G20 frame to the MechTech, and use the new frame with the pistol slide.
Let me know if anyone has any questions. Overall rating between 1 and 10 is: buy it.
Great write up K!
Thanks much... P. ;)
I'm curious if you have any extended experience to share. I don't expect you've had any issues, but things like quality-of-life details tend to shake out longer-term.
Gotta reiterate, the more I reflect on today's range trip: My Glock 20 might have just achieved that vaunted perfection...
Quote from: Keiichi on March 29 2019 08:49:52 PM MDT
Thanks much... P. ;)
I'm curious if you have any extended experience to share. I don't expect you've had any issues, but things like quality-of-life details tend to shake out longer-term.
Gotta reiterate, the more I reflect on today's range trip: My Glock 20 might have just achieved that vaunted perfection...
About 500 rounds now, no issues at all. The trigger actually feels a bit better. I moved on to other guns from the winter......haven't taken it to the range last few trips. Maybe next time!
Hi everyone. I've been lurking for a little bit and this is my first post.
I was looking at having a grip reduction and trigger guard under cut done on my G20. Since it is not a SF frame it was pretty big in my hand and I have decent size hands. Prices were anywhere from $300 to $500 to have this done. I started reading on the form and found out about the Lone Wolf Frame. Needless to say I ordered one today. I just did the bare frame as I have already done some internal work on my G20.
I love my 10mm's. I have A G20, G29, RIA and Colt Delta Elite. I hope to add a Kriss Vector and a TNW in the near future both in 10mm of course. 8)
I load for 7 different pistol calibers and a few rifle calibers as well. I hope to be able to add some value to the forum.
Welcome Slapps, there's lots to be learned here : )
Glad to have you here Slapps, welcome.
My Timberwolf frame has been excellent. Since I ordered a built lower, I'd be interested in hearing about your experience building yours.