Looks like it's finally going to happen
https://www.xdtalk.com/threads/10mm-october-surprise.438785/
"XD(M) SPECIFICATIONS
Caliber: 10MM
Magazines: 2 - 15rd Mags
Barrel: 4.5in Steel, Melonite Finish / Hammer Forged, 1:16 RH Twist
Sights: Fiber Optic Front, Low Profile Combat Rear, Steel
Frame: Black Polymer with Changeable Backstraps
Slide: Forged Steel, Melonite Finish
Recoil System: One Piece Full Length Guide Rod
Length: 7.7"
Height: 5.75"
Grip Width: 1.2"
Weight w/ Empty Mag: 31.2 oz"
It will be official in a few days... ;D
I have my local dealer getting me one as soon as he is able :)
What length is everyone getting?
When I get one (not sure if I will wait awhile or not ) it will be the 4.5" for me.
Quote from: Intercooler on October 08 2018 04:14:47 PM MDT
What length is everyone getting?
4.5 as soon as I can find one.
I was really planning on going basically gun purchase free this year. And I have mostly succeeded, except for a couple of Glock lowers. But I might have to re-think that. I don't currently own an XD, but I have always liked the basic design.
I'm looking at the 4.5. I don't like the slide cut out on the 5.25".
Count me in for a 4.5" version.
10,000 rounds through the XDM 10mm
https://www.springfield-armory.com/xdm-10mm-features
Looks official, the first XD to interest me.
The 5.25"has the slide cut in the wrong place and needs a threaded barrel. I wish the "torture"test had used real 10mm instead of anemic Hydra-shok.
Quote from: SPDSR on October 10 2018 01:12:06 PM MDT
10,000 rounds through the XDM 10mm
Not dissing the XDm 10mm, but 10K rounds of 180 grain hydra shocks is not a 10mm Torture test. That stuff is pure 40s&w ballistics. More like a vacation for a well built 10mm.
Same as I was thinking
I saw a report that said the XD 10mm used the same sized frame as the 45. Anyone have any first hand info that this is true.
just got back from my LGS and ordered one of the 4.5 inch barrel ones, hopefully they will start shipping soon
Pretty sure they have put more 10mm rounds downrange over the last two years than just the 10k promo stunt. From what I read when doing my 460 Rowland conversions the XD was the prefered polymer pistol base partially due to its substantial slide rails.
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 11 2018 01:11:15 PM MDT
Quote from: SPDSR on October 10 2018 01:12:06 PM MDT
10,000 rounds through the XDM 10mm
Not dissing the XDm 10mm, but 10K rounds of 180 grain hydra shocks is not a 10mm Torture test. That stuff is pure 40s&w ballistics. More like a vacation for a well built 10mm.
Federal 10mm Hydra Shok #73 on our list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gex6ItGeWQunVZR9B14mseacyEGoreRRrBEXZavfciM/edit#gid=6
The chart shows the 10mm 180 Hydra Shok at 1030 FPS from a 4.6 in G20 length barrel. Federal's site shows the 40 S&W 180 HST at 1010 FPS from a G23 4inch length gun.
I've seen several videos reviewing the new gun that mention how it handled 10k rounds of fire breathing bear dropping supreme power rounds. More like 30-year-old technology rounds that might actually be slower than factory 40 from the same manufacturer. Time will tell. Do XD's have polygonal rifling?
Don't know about polygonal rifling, but I would have been more impressed if they would have used the Federal Vital Shok load.
They don't use Polygonal barrels.
And a good thing too, no need to swap out barrels for lead 😀
I have shoto a good amount of lead in my Polygonal Witness barrels. No problems.
Yep, only got a KKM for my G20 because I shoot a lot of lead, but would have likely been fine with the factory barrel
Quote from: Flyfishermanmike on October 11 2018 08:12:45 AM MDT
https://www.springfield-armory.com/xdm-10mm-features
Looks official, the first XD to interest me.
The 5.25"has the slide cut in the wrong place and needs a threaded barrel. I wish the "torture"test had used real 10mm instead of anemic Hydra-shok.
Agree as to the threaded barrel but what do you mean by the slide cut being in the wrong place? (Not arguing but asking.)
Quote from: Sneed on October 12 2018 12:57:36 PM MDT
Quote from: Flyfishermanmike on October 11 2018 08:12:45 AM MDT
https://www.springfield-armory.com/xdm-10mm-features
Looks official, the first XD to interest me.
The 5.25"has the slide cut in the wrong place and needs a threaded barrel. I wish the "torture"test had used real 10mm instead of anemic Hydra-shok.
Agree as to the threaded barrel but what do you mean by the slide cut being in the wrong place? (Not arguing but asking.)
Should have been an RMR style cut for a red dot.
Yea it has the G34/35 Gen 3 and 4 style slide cut out. Less weight I guess.
:) Finally,I was about to post that XDMs should be in stock anyday now,cause I was buying a EAA witness this weekend.Perfect timing Springfield Armory......
If I get one it will be the 4.5. Pretty sure I will but part of me wants to see if Smith and Ruger are joining this fight.
5.25" for me. But will wait a year or so.
I received a response from SA about my two questions. They have no plans to offer them in bi-tone, or an uncut slide 5.25" version.
If someone planned on doing a threaded barrel, wouldn't the 4.5" version be the better option to then buy the 5.25" barrel to have the work done?
I think the cat's @$$ for me would be a 5.25 with a threaded barrel, RMR and a can. I have been thinking about getting a couple of cans for several years, and next year may be the year. I keep hoping HPA will pass, but I think that ship has sailed at this point.
Well I held a 4.5" yesterday the balance was really good how ever the trigger was rough and a long reset I haven't shot the XD my son in law has for a while but I think his trigger was better than this one. So I was wondering has anybody had trigger work done on these and if so how much improvement was there also do they get better with use.
Thanks
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Quote from: 38-40 on October 13 2018 12:06:10 PM MDT
Well I held a 4.5" yesterday the balance was really good how ever the trigger was rough and a long reset I haven't shot the XD my son in law has for a while but I think his trigger was better than this one. So I was wondering has anybody had trigger work done on these and if so how much improvement was there also do they get better with use.
Thanks
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You can put this kit in! I won't do it on our XD because my Wife uses it and 2.5lbs is darned light!
https://shop.powderriverprecision.net/product.sc?productId=95&categoryId=33
Quote from: 38-40 on October 13 2018 12:06:10 PM MDT
Well I held a 4.5" yesterday the balance was really good how ever the trigger was rough and a long reset I haven't shot the XD my son in law has for a while but I think his trigger was better than this one. So I was wondering has anybody had trigger work done on these and if so how much improvement was there also do they get better with use.
Thanks
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I have a well used 45 ACP XD and the trigger feels great. Barrel looks pretty worn on top so I'd guess a couple thousand rounds. I need to do some research and see if you can accelerate the trigger break in.
Quote from: Intercooler on October 13 2018 01:08:01 PM MDT
Quote from: 38-40 on October 13 2018 12:06:10 PM MDT
Well I held a 4.5" yesterday the balance was really good how ever the trigger was rough and a long reset I haven't shot the XD my son in law has for a while but I think his trigger was better than this one. So I was wondering has anybody had trigger work done on these and if so how much improvement was there also do they get better with use.
Thanks
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You can put this kit in! I won't do it on our XD because my Wife uses it and 2.5lbs is darned light!
https://shop.powderriverprecision.net/product.sc?productId=95&categoryId=33
I've installed six Powder River Precision Ultimate Match Triggers. They are a fantastic trigger. I did convert my carry guns back to stock though because the trigger is so light. That's not what I want on a concealed carry gun.
One thing to be aware of when installing these triggers. As you are sanding plastic off the trigger stop to adjust overtravel, remove a little extra material once the trigger cleanly breaks. All six of the pistols I did functioned fine in warm weather but once they got cold (below zero) none of them would fire. You could test this by leaving the unloaded cocked pistol in your freezer overnight. Pull it out and pull the trigger. If it doesn't fire, remove a little more material from the overtravel stop and try again. Once I removed enough material, they would all fire appropriately when left overnight in my truck in subzero weather.
Quote from: sep on October 13 2018 08:33:50 PM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on October 13 2018 01:08:01 PM MDT
Quote from: 38-40 on October 13 2018 12:06:10 PM MDT
Well I held a 4.5" yesterday the balance was really good how ever the trigger was rough and a long reset I haven't shot the XD my son in law has for a while but I think his trigger was better than this one. So I was wondering has anybody had trigger work done on these and if so how much improvement was there also do they get better with use.
Thanks
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You can put this kit in! I won't do it on our XD because my Wife uses it and 2.5lbs is darned light!
https://shop.powderriverprecision.net/product.sc?productId=95&categoryId=33
I've installed six Powder River Precision Ultimate Match Triggers. They are a fantastic trigger. I did convert my carry guns back to stock though because the trigger is so light. That's not what I want on a concealed carry gun.
One thing to be aware of when installing these triggers. As you are sanding plastic off the trigger stop to adjust overtravel, remove a little extra material once the trigger cleanly breaks. All six of the pistols I did functioned fine in warm weather but once they got cold (below zero) none of them would fire. You could test this by leaving the unloaded cocked pistol in your freezer overnight. Pull it out and pull the trigger. If it doesn't fire, remove a little more material from the overtravel stop and try again. Once I removed enough material, they would all fire appropriately when left overnight in my truck in subzero weather.
Thanks for the info I currently shoot My dads colt new service that has the sweetest 3lb single action trigger no creep or over travel it makes my wife's Smith & Wesson feel like 10lbs however I'm going to retire it. Also planning to start shooing practical pistol at the local gun club so this will be a do it all pistol as finances won't allow more than one. Also thinking about the witness stock II but would like to get my hands on one first. They had a Glock there also and the trigger was much nicer than the XD but I just don't like Glocks.
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Quote from: 38-40 on October 13 2018 12:06:10 PM MDT
Well I held a 4.5" yesterday the balance was really good how ever the trigger was rough and a long reset I haven't shot the XD my son in law has for a while but I think his trigger was better than this one. So I was wondering has anybody had trigger work done on these and if so how much improvement was there also do they get better with use.
Thanks
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I can't speak for the 10mm, but I've owned an XDM and shot a couple more other people owned. The triggers on those guns felt better when firing the gun then with dry firing. Mine felt like it got a little lighter after running a few magazines through it too.
I can't wait. This will be my first 10mm handgun. I am from Illinois and try to support companies in my state, so I do favor Springfield, I mean you have to have balls to make firearms in Illinois and for me it is like flipping Chicago Gun Grabber Politicians the bird. Flip Chicago Politicians the bird and you have a friend in this Southern Illinois native. I have the 4" Mod.2 9mm, and the new .380 911, which my wife doesn't know it, but that is actually her pistol. I am slowly getting her to warm up to the idea of shooting, and even have been talking to her about her carrying a pistol, she is slowly coming around. The 911 is a fun little gun, I am 6'4" tall and have big hands. It shoots like a much bigger gun and again it is a lot of fun. Springfield has always been a reliable gun purchase for me.
My Springfield XDs in .45 has been great.
I would assume their 9's are equally as reliable, considering one of those in the near future
Our 9mm XD has never had a hiccup. Mild to extreme and light to 165gr. Stays really clean as well after tons of shooting.
Nice, I'm really looking forward to getting one
Thanks
Ken
My experience with our issue XD45 pistols was that the triggers got better with use. Several guys liked them so well they purchased XDs pistols as off duty guns, frequently showing up at qualification with a new in the box gun. I remember one new XDs jammed one time all the others ran 100%. I have a 9mm XDs and it has been flawless.
The XD is a version of a pistol designed as a 9mm so if any caliber is going to work properly it will be the 9mm.
Way cool, Thanks Rick!
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=xdm%2010mm&PageSize=24&Sort=4&View=1
Plenty on there now!
Don't forget the gear up deal!
https://www.springfieldpromo.com/files/AllXDGearUp2018-8.5x11-RedemptionForm_2.pdf
I think I have my deal on a 5.25" about finalized! I'm going for the longer version because Maryland will never let us have legal carry permits! >:D
Mine is waiting at the FFL. Will pick it up Friday afternoon and have some range time planned for Saturday. Great timing on the mag deal. When I bought my SIG p220 10mm I got in on their free mags/range bag promo as well. Use the SIG range bags all the time.
Don't live in Maryland! I just realized it isn't on the approved list yet. That might put a Kabosh on it for me.
Quote from: Intercooler on October 17 2018 05:08:34 PM MDT
Don't live in Maryland! I just realized it isn't on the approved list yet. That might put a Kabosh on it for me.
You gotta move to WV. We can own anything. 8)
Plus a bunch of gun companies are refusing to jump thru state approved gun list hoops.
Picked mine up today! It's real nice and can't wait to shoot it. May put some talon grip wraps as I feel the grip is a bit slippery.
Mine was delivered to my FFL today. Picking it up Friday. Probably won't get to shoot it until Monday.
Ok, so mine has to be close!!!
Bummer #2 for me today! I received a reply from SA that said they wouldn't ship the three free magazines to a State limited 15 <
That sucks!
Quote from: Intercooler on October 18 2018 02:17:15 PM MDT
Bummer #2 for me today! I received a reply from SA that said they wouldn't ship the three free magazines to a State limited 15 <
I wonder why the longer barrel and slide is $100 more. Seems excessive..
Longer barrel and slide, different rear sight, longer frame and that stupid cut in the slide.
Yeah I guess. Still seems like a lot. I dunno...
My ffl said probably be in monday!!! Yaaaa 4.5in bbl model
Did a quick comparison between the new XDM 10mm and my GP40 and my Witness Match Elite 10mm. All guns were lined up at the beavertail where your hand would rest. I was surprised that the XDM had the shortest trigger reach as well as a lower slide top when viewed from the side. You'd think from looking at the XDM that it would be the tallest of the bunch but that was not the case. FWIW the GP40 looked to be .187-.25" taller, EAA was about .125-.187 taller.
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you guys who got yours already...if you got the 4.5 in barel, did it only come with 2 mags??? website says 2 mags and 3 mags with the .5in one?? is this true? if so, what a friggen rip off
Quote from: will965 on October 19 2018 11:05:47 PM MDT
you guys who got yours already...if you got the 4.5 in barel, did it only come with 2 mags??? website says 2 mags and 3 mags with the .5in one?? is this true? if so, what a friggen rip off
My 4.5 came with 2 mags
The 5.25" is a competition pistol and why they give the extra.
The extra magazine is probably part of the reason why the 5.25" is @$100 more than the 4.5" gun.
3 mags is not extra, it is standard for a lot of service type pistols ...think I should went glock. I hope this ting runs the full power stuff, if not I'm gonna be really disappointed
Im ok with 2 mags and a match barrel. I save $100.00 or more by not having to buy an aftermarket barrel for a glock, plus with the gear up you you get 3 more mags.
i am very happy about the gear up items though! :D
This evening was Cabela's visit day for me. I was #53... you have to take a number to view stuff :)
As I was standing there waiting in line one of my questions was answered in a reply to #52. They don't have the 10mm XDm's in the store yet and he got 3-4 calls for them today. It's been like that every day since 10/10 he said!
They didn't have a 5.25" 9mm for me to spend some time with, so I did try out the 4.5" 9mm. I didn't dig the waffle pattern on the back in palm. I think I would prefer the 4.5" out of the two. The bad news is it has a windage two-dot rear sight and I like black target adjustable. It's such a pain in Maryland and coupled with just not being my flavor (I like the XD grip better), I'm passing on this one.
Something is up with 10mm! I went to the ammo section and the 10mm's were about totally cleaned out... period! Just a couple of Buffalo Bore boxes and a few Herter's JHP's. Plenty of everything else ;D
Put 250 rounds thru the XDM today. Used a mix of 165FMJ, 180 FMJ, 180GR HST, 200gr FMJ, Nosler 200gr HP and 200gr WFNGC lead projectiles (all my reloads). Everything ran without a hitch. Brass was thrown between 20 and 30 feet back and over my right hand shoulder. FWIW The 200gr lead projectiles were in front of 13.3gr of Accurate #9, chrono'd @1252fps from my 5" EAA.
Overall I am very happy with the gun. The slide is easy to manipulate and I had no issues using the slide stop to chamber a round after a reload. The trigger feels good, way better than the CZ P10C I picked up last week. Reset is tactile and not too long. Recoil was smooth with no noticeable impulse even on the 200gr loads. All my 1911 10mm's have a sharp impulse, noticeable when the slide is all the way back, the GP P40 gives you a sharp torqueing motion. The XDM never fatigued nor dug into my hands, quit shooting because it was getting hot out. Sights are great. Red fiber up front was easy to see outdoors and contrasted well with the serated rear sight. This may be the first 10mm I don't swap sights on.
Afterwards we compared the 10mm XDM internals to my 45 XD internals. The frame internals look nearly identical. Rails look to be identical and the trigger mechanism looks the same. The 45 XD slide installed onto the newer 10mm XDM frame no problem. Have high hopes this will fit the Kenai Chest rig holster I have coming for the 45 XD.
Not sure how anyone could complain about the value. Gen 3 Glock 20SF with 2 mags is $545 on Grabagun. For the extra $5 I paid I got a match grade barrel, better trigger, changeable backstraps and real sights on the XDM. Not even going to count the 3 mag rebate deal.
For me this is the polymer 10mm benchmark. Looking forward to the next range session.
Thanks Azrckcrawler, makes me excited to get mine next week...
Azrckcrawler,..thanks for the great write up. I have been anxiously waiting for a report from a member here. Oddly enough I had my GP and my Sig spartan 1911 out at the range today and I think your observations are spot on.
Thanks again.
Great write up! Thank you
Thanks,Azrckcrawler...Im in
That's a great report and about what I expected out of the XDm! Which length did you get? Can you take some photos and send them to me for posting (I will pm you)? Did they say what lb the recoil spring is? Thanks!
I recieved notice that my 4.5" XD(M) in 10mm will ship this week. I've been waiting since Springfield announced them in 2017.
I will soon see if it can handle my full power 200gr cast loads!
Will post review after 500 rounds and 25 yards accuracy test.
Quote from: Intercooler on October 21 2018 08:31:41 AM MDT
That's a great report and about what I expected out of the XDm! Which length did you get? Can you take some photos and send them to me for posting (I will pm you)? Did they say what lb the recoil spring is? Thanks!
I went with the 4.5" version. Was interested in something more compact for use when camping/hiking/utv'ing. I can take some pictures of the stuff you asked about later this week.
Great report, Thanks Azrckcrawler!
Quote from: will965 on October 20 2018 12:21:16 PM MDT
3 mags is not extra, it is standard for a lot of service type pistols ...think I should went glock. I hope this ting runs the full power stuff, if not I'm gonna be really disappointed
You should have. They only decided to produce a 10mm because everyone else is. I love my Glock 29SF and my 20SF. I cant wait to get a Glock 40 MOS with a 7" barrel. That has got to be fun!
Glock has been loyal to 10mm fans the whole time. But Springfield sees the 10 making a big comeback and throws the first thing they could come up with in the ring.
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Not sure how anyone could complain about the value. Gen 3 Glock 20SF with 2 mags is $545 on Grabagun. For the extra $5 I paid I got a match grade barrel, better trigger, changeable backstraps and real sights on the XDM. Not even going to count the 3 mag rebate deal.
For me this is the polymer 10mm benchmark. Looking forward to the next range session.
Those are definitely opinions and not facts. Because it says "Match" doesnt make it so. I can write Match on a turd if you want to buy it. Next, XD triggers are long, spongy and gritty. Gen4 Glocks had changeable back straps long before Springfield did it. Now sights, I guess we can agree there. But helping in my friends gun shop afford me the luxary of being able to take any new gun out and shoot it all I want.
I will say it's very accurate . I actually shot a little better with it than I do my G20, but I've never been a bullseye shooter with my Glocks. The XD-M with the large back strap, points as natural as a 1911 for me. I do very much like the fiber optic sight. If I were to carry it for SD I'd probably put TFO's on it. I wish they had made it 5" to match a 1911, the extra 1/4" seems redundant. If they made it with a 4" barrel, I'd just have to work on the trigger, because I'd love to have one closer to Commander size.
I shot Underwoods training ammo through it, along with some S&B, and 20 Winchester Silvertips I found laying around. The grip does a great job mitigating recoil too. The impulse doesnt have that sharp edge to it, same as you mentioned.
I have to apologize to you guys. I had forgot about this website or I would have posted pictures the day I was putting it through its paces.
Mini Range report
4.5 XDM 10mm (stock)
200 rounds downrange no problems: FTE,FTF,
ejection 4-6 feet over, behind right shoulder
all brass had dot imprint in primer-no dragging, no severe case bulging
Hornady 10mm 155 grain XTP
Hornady 10mm 180 grain XTP
Hornady 10mm 200grain XTP
Sig Sauer 10mm 180 grain JHP 1250 fps
This stuff did not feel like watered down 40SW ammo
Seemed like a tad less muzzle rise than the glock 20 gen4
Had far less recoil than the DW Valor (that sucks bought the Valor)- and put in 22 pound spring--26 wouldn't cycle well
both mags drop free easily
grip adequate- they could put more effort into that like the SW M&P new grip
FUN! just a lunch report--160 plus rounds
Quote from: Tibetan on October 23 2018 01:08:47 PM MDT
Mini Range report
4.5 XDM 10mm (stock)
200 rounds downrange no problems: FTE,FTF,
ejection 4-6 feet over, behind right shoulder
all brass had dot imprint in primer-no dragging, no severe case bulging
Hornady 10mm 155 grain XTP
Hornady 10mm 180 grain XTP
Hornady 10mm 200grain XTP
Sig Sauer 10mm 180 grain JHP 1250 fps
This stuff did not feel like watered down 40SW ammo
Seemed like a tad less muzzle rise than the glock 20 gen4
Had far less recoil than the DW Valor (that sucks bought the Valor)- and put in 22 pound spring--26 wouldn't cycle well
both mags drop free easily
grip adequate- they could put more effort into that like the SW M&P new grip
FUN! just a lunch report--160 plus rounds
The rounds you listed are some of the hottest factory loadings for 10mm. Well excluding Underwood and BB. I'm glad you're happy with the XD. I guess I've drank too much Glock Kool-Aid lol
I went and fondled both the 4.5 and the 5.25 version at my local gun store last Friday. I was surprised they had them in stock, and was sorely tempted to get the 4.5" version. But I resisted.
I think it is great to have another solid, great performing, polymer option in 10mm. Kudo's to Springfield for making this happen. I will have to review my post history as I may have something unpleasant to eat.
And, if I were looking for a 10mm handgun right now, this would be a very strong contender, and would probably edge out the Glock.
But, I already have a G20 and a G29. I am comfortable with my ability to shoot them both, and have holsters, mags, gear invested in the glock-verse. That is a lot of momentum for me to overcome. It's not that I am a fan-boi, but just that they were late to the party and I have already filled up on other snacks.
One of my kids turns 18 and cleans out my Glock 20 and a bunch of magazines, I very likely may replace it with an XDm. But unless that happens, I doubt I will get one.
Unless I do....
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 23 2018 02:21:32 PM MDT
I went and fondled both the 4.5 and the 5.25 version at my local gun store last Friday. I was surprised they had them in stock, and was sorely tempted to get the 4.5" version. But I resisted.
I think it is great to have another solid, great performing, polymer option in 10mm. Kudo's to Springfield for making this happen. I will have to review my post history as I may have something unpleasant to eat.
And, if I were looking for a 10mm handgun right now, this would be a very strong contender, and would probably edge out the Glock.
But, I already have a G20 and a G29. I am comfortable with my ability to shoot them both, and have holsters, mags, gear invested in the glock-verse. That is a lot of momentum for me to overcome. It's not that I am a fan-boi, but just that they were late to the party and I have already filled up on other snacks.
One of my kids turns 18 and cleans out my Glock 20 and a bunch of magazines, I very likely may replace it with an XDm. But unless that happens, I doubt I will get one.
Unless I do....
I am a fan boi as you call it. I'm a Glock fanatic. As I said, SD shooting with them, I am great. But if we start bullseye shooting at 25 yards, I'd rather have a 1911 or my old Ruger P93.
SQL, do you have any extra barrels for your G20? How about chrono numbers?
I'm debating on a G40, but if a G20 with the 6" barrel can shoot just as accurate, and match speeds (which it should), then I may just get a 6' barrel for my 20.
Sorry for the hijack.
Mine came in!!!! Picked up my new XDM-10 4.5In barrel. Seems really nice and I forgot how comfortable the grips are. it looks it looks fantastic right out of the box the only came with two mags but I got that gear deal going so I think I'll get three more mags for it. I said it right next to my Glock M40 and it definitely more concealable. Although I do have an inside the pants holster for the 40,lol. I'm kind of spoiled by glock so I'm really hoping this pistol is as reliable and easy to shoot as all my other clock models have been. The XDM right out the box feels like it has a really nice trigger. Ee better than stock Glock trigger. I don't know if I'm crazy about the fiber optic sights I may throw those out for the night sights on it. And also looking at inside the waistband holster from a couple different places. This week I'm going to do a review with a ton of different ammo all hot full power stuff and we'll see exactly how it shoots so far I'm very pleased but I haven't pulled the trigger yet
My comparison was for the same cost Glock that comes with 2 mags. Yes the gen 4 has backstraps and 3 mags but they also costs more. I prefer rifled barrels to polygonal since I reload hard cast led. Springfield says it is a match barrel which could mean tighter tolerances and a tighter bore. If you have evidence that says otherwise feel free to share. I have no reason to doubt them.
My XDM trigger is not long, spongy or gritty. If I had to compare to my 10mm stable it is more GP P40ish but as my pictures show the XDM has a much shorter trigger reach.
Quote from: Overkill338 on October 23 2018 10:31:36 AM MDT
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Not sure how anyone could complain about the value. Gen 3 Glock 20SF with 2 mags is $545 on Grabagun. For the extra $5 I paid I got a match grade barrel, better trigger, changeable backstraps and real sights on the XDM. Not even going to count the 3 mag rebate deal.
For me this is the polymer 10mm benchmark. Looking forward to the next range session.
Those are definitely opinions and not facts. Because it says "Match" doesnt make it so. I can write Match on a turd if you want to buy it. Next, XD triggers are long, spongy and gritty. Gen4 Glocks had changeable back straps long before Springfield did it. Now sights, I guess we can agree there. But helping in my friends gun shop afford me the luxary of being able to take any new gun out and shoot it all I want.
I will say it's very accurate . I actually shot a little better with it than I do my G20, but I've never been a bullseye shooter with my Glocks. The XD-M with the large back strap, points as natural as a 1911 for me. I do very much like the fiber optic sight. If I were to carry it for SD I'd probably put TFO's on it. I wish they had made it 5" to match a 1911, the extra 1/4" seems redundant. If they made it with a 4" barrel, I'd just have to work on the trigger, because I'd love to have one closer to Commander size.
I shot Underwoods training ammo through it, along with some S&B, and 20 Winchester Silvertips I found laying around. The grip does a great job mitigating recoil too. The impulse doesnt have that sharp edge to it, same as you mentioned.
I have to apologize to you guys. I had forgot about this website or I would have posted pictures the day I was putting it through its paces.
Quote from: Azrckcrawler on October 23 2018 09:37:59 PM MDT
My comparison was for the same cost Glock that comes with 2 mags. Yes the gen 4 has backstraps and 3 mags but they also costs more. I prefer rifled barrels to polygonal since I reload hard cast led. Springfield says it is a match barrel which could mean tighter tolerances and a tighter bore. If you have evidence that says otherwise feel free to share. I have no reason to doubt them.
My XDM trigger is not long, spongy or gritty. If I had to compare to my 10mm stable it is more GP P40ish but as my pictures show the XDM has a much trigger shorter reach.
Quote from: Overkill338 on October 23 2018 10:31:36 AM MDT
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Not sure how anyone could complain about the value. Gen 3 Glock 20SF with 2 mags is $545 on Grabagun. For the extra $5 I paid I got a match grade barrel, better trigger, changeable backstraps and real sights on the XDM. Not even going to count the 3 mag rebate deal.
For me this is the polymer 10mm benchmark. Looking forward to the next range session.
Those are definitely opinions and not facts. Because it says "Match" doesnt make it so. I can write Match on a turd if you want to buy it. Next, XD triggers are long, spongy and gritty. Gen4 Glocks had changeable back straps long before Springfield did it. Now sights, I guess we can agree there. But helping in my friends gun shop afford me the luxary of being able to take any new gun out and shoot it all I want.
I will say it's very accurate . I actually shot a little better with it than I do my G20, but I've never been a bullseye shooter with my Glocks. The XD-M with the large back strap, points as natural as a 1911 for me. I do very much like the fiber optic sight. If I were to carry it for SD I'd probably put TFO's on it. I wish they had made it 5" to match a 1911, the extra 1/4" seems redundant. If they made it with a 4" barrel, I'd just have to work on the trigger, because I'd love to have one closer to Commander size.
I shot Underwoods training ammo through it, along with some S&B, and 20 Winchester Silvertips I found laying around. The grip does a great job mitigating recoil too. The impulse doesnt have that sharp edge to it, same as you mentioned.
I have to apologize to you guys. I had forgot about this website or I would have posted pictures the day I was putting it through its paces.
We will kindly agree to disagree. I'm glad you are enjoying your new gun. If we all like the same thing, Hi-Points wouldnt sell lol I should have videoed the trigger though, it is gritty.
Since you already have it, chrono some ammo through it. I'm curious how it does vs a Glock 20.
A gritty trigger out of the box is pretty common on the entire XD series. They smooth out very fast.
I think part of it is that they ship with preservative oil, not a good lubricating oil. Add a good lubricant and run a box or two of ammo and it will be a lot different.
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 24 2018 08:05:03 AM MDT
A gritty trigger out of the box is pretty common on the entire XD series. They smooth out very fast.
I think part of it is that they ship with preservative oil, not a good lubricating oil. Add a good lubricant and run a box or two of ammo and it will be a lot different.
The stuff on them reminds me of cosmeline at times.
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Intercooler,
Sweet, that rascal only needs a MRDS to be pistol and carbine rolled into one.
Looking forward to a range report IC.
Quote from: 4949shooter on October 26 2018 05:50:17 AM MDT
Looking forward to a range report IC.
Those are Azrckcrawler's photos I posted for him. No XDm for me :)
Go for them! I heard from a person with a good S&W connection that they aren't even entertaining the 10mm M&P... to be specific:
I talked to them last December while I was at the factory about chambering for the 10mm. They just looked at me like they had no idea what i was talking about
:-X :-\ :o ;D
Found one locally for a good price. If its still there tomorrow when I stop by Ill be one 10mm richer.
I got mine on order and now the lgs has one in the case
Drop in a powder river precision trigger kit and forget about it.
;D stopped by the store that said they were getting one of each size in and low the 4.5 was in stock.
Had to have it.
It is in my collection now.
Quote from: 4949shooter on October 27 2018 11:35:26 AM MDT
Quote from: Intercooler on October 26 2018 05:24:57 PM MDT
Interesting and honest review.
I found his comments on the negative view of XD's interesting. I was in Alaska this summer and my brother-in-law basically said the exact same thing when he saw my XD based 460 Rowland conversion I was carrying.
I just submitted for the gear up promotion. Anyone that snags any xd don't forget.
Just sent mine in, three mags is real nice...also today is range fay finally, hopefully, gonna run like 6 different full power loads and test reliability
I just tossed together some 180gr plated flat nose Berry's bullets over 9.7 gr of blue dot. Runs nicely in my sig 220 hope it will run just as well in this XDm.
I finally got mine out yesterday. Ran some Sig Sauer FMJ first. They were hitting low and right. Then the only other thing I brought with me was some home rolled 180gr XTP loaded with Blue Dot. They do fine in my G20 but they were all over the place through the XDM. I will try next time with the 180gr XTP and Longshot powder. That's been a real good round.
And my XD gear promotion is expected to be delivered tomorrow according to the FedEx tracking number. I am hoping it will be delivered today. Some times FedEx will drop it off at my house instead of taking it to the post office. I live 6 blocks from FedEx. But not bad, 10 days from the day I submitted to getting it delivered.
I am gonna try the sig fmj and vcrown how tomorrow, along with like 6 different loads...reliability test..we will see, my favorite is 180 or 200s loaded with longshot.
Taking mine out tomorrow afternoon. I have several home rolls ready for testing and some old SXT ready.
Interesting video XDm 5.25 vs Glock 40
I can't explain the accuracy portion. Maybe the XDm is a bad copy, needed sight adjustment, or possibly not enough saddle time versus the Glock? The XDm lost that round!
The tighter chamber seemed to show up in the Chrony numbers with the XDm's shorter barrel producing better number and penetration. The XDm ended up winning 2 out of 3 tests.
More of the same with the XDm winning the Chrony battle and penetration battle. It loses the recoil battle in the video to the Glock 40. I guess 3 to 3 on the tally and pick what works for you.
Quote from: Intercooler on November 01 2018 04:48:10 AM MDT
Interesting video XDm 5.25 vs Glock 40
I can't explain the accuracy portion.
That wasn't an accuracy test, too many variables. Just getting rid of the shooter would eliminate a couple thousand variables.
Was really hoping to see the comparison against the more common G20.
I think this was the long-slide battle. You would pair the G20 versus the 4.5". Really need a Ransom Rest for any accuracy tests.
My extra shell for my Kenai chest holster showed up today. It is designed for the XD 4", 45 ACP service model. This one has the open end (for the compensator on my 460 Rowland conversion). It fits the smaller 4.5" 10mm XDM like a glove.
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Still none at Cabela's today!
Picked up a 4.5" last night. After the online seller sent the 5 .25 mistakenly first.
Been impressed so far, hope to shoot it today. Picked up some vcrown and 180 th I from sig.
Also sent in for the promo which was relatively painless.
I had a chance to get my 4.5 XDM out the other day and shot about 50rds total of a combo of DT 200gr HC and UW 200gr XTP. I hade 0 issues with either ammo. Was shooting at about 20yrds and had no problems hitting my little pistol swinging target. I didn't not due any real accuracy testing, just plinking. I have been a long time G20/29 shooter/owner and just not sure I would woods carry the XDM over one of my Glocks. Nothing wrong with the XDM just think I prefer the Glock platform.
Wow! That's not good
Odd for sure! When I had the XD front sight swapped out the Gunsmith said it was a real bitch! It just didn't want to move, so this shocks me here! I have grown to like pinned or set-screw style front sights, or at least a nice layer of red Loc-tite.
I just looked and messed with mine. It seems to be in place very well but I will watch it. Going out this afternoon to shoot it some more.
Quote from: Intercooler on November 03 2018 01:55:00 PM MDT
Odd for sure! When I had the XD front sight swapped out the Gunsmith said it was a real bitch! It just didn't want to move, so this shocks me here! I have grown to like pinned or set-screw style front sights, or at least a nice layer of red Loc-tite.
I thought I was going to break my sight tool trying to get the factory sights of of my XD 45. Turns out that is a pretty typical experience with XD's if you read the forums (tight fitting sights that is).
I hear how bad the XDM sights were and everyone I talked to said I may have to cut them off. I bought a new set of night sihts for my new Xdm-10 . Honestly, secured it in a soft sided vice, steel punch and tapped them right out. Ya, couple good smacks with a ball peen but nothing hard. Was shocked. Haven't put the new ones on yet cause its getting Cera coated this week hopefully. Got a range report probably gonna post tomorrow! Love this gun so far
Quote from: will965 on November 04 2018 07:52:33 PM MST
I hear how bad the XDM sights were and everyone I talked to said I may have to cut them off. I bought a new set of night sihts for my new Xdm-10 . Honestly, secured it in a soft sided vice, steel punch and tapped them right out. Ya, couple good smacks with a ball peen but nothing hard. Was shocked. Haven't put the new ones on yet cause its getting Cera coated this week hopefully. Got a range report probably gonna post tomorrow! Love this gun so far
I would think they would go in tighter with a layer of Cerekote but if not you can also slip a small piece of shim stock under the sight before re-installing it.
I sure as heck don't want them tighter,l Iol...I have to wait until the sights arive. I'm worried the Cera cote will make it too tight.. probably going to have him tape in the dovetails so it stays clean
OK gang, I finally got to the range with my new xdm-10 4.5 in barrel. I shot several types of amMO 10-15 rounds of each listed below
180g Underwood gdhp-nice recoil,quick shots, one of my fave
175g Silvertips-sweet shooting,accurate, my urban carry load
155g Corbon jhp,light recoil,easy shooting,not super accurate.
180g Hornady critical defense, light shooting,one hole
180g Federal trophy match, Stout load with recoil, accurate,nice
180g sig performance fmj, also stout recoil
180g xtp,home rolled, 9.2 longshot, nice shooter,accurate
200g xtp,home rolled, 8.6g longshot, stout,nice
Forgot the sig vcrown and the 190g fbi load at home but I think I had a pretty good med-full power load representation. I didn't however have some weak stuff like armscorp ,s&b, or blazer. All the rounds went through with out a hitch, flawless. Just a light cleaning and oiling pre-range. Shoots nice even with the stout loads and second shots are easy. And if I did my part, most would tear out the center at 21ft (I know, I'm gonna stretch her out next week)..
I've ordered sights,night fision, because I hate those crappy tru-glows. Also stripped the slide completely and dropping it off for ceracote tomorrow. Overall, I'm very pleased with the gun and after ceracote,will be getting a new holster and it will be a frequent carry gun....maybe edc...good gun, good fun what else ya need.
Yep, will have to get one soon : )
Received notice today that the 4.5 Xdm is back in stock at the Sportman's Outdoor.
FYI- I filled out the online form for the free gear deal on 10/25/18 and received my 3 mags and rangebag from Springfield today.
Quote from: TXCOONDOG on November 08 2018 05:14:46 PM MST
Received notice today that the 4.5 Xdm is back in stock at the Sportman's Outdoor.
FYI- I filled out the online form for the free gear deal on 10/25/18 and received my 3 mags and rangebag from Springfield today.
Filled mine out online on 10/19/18 and no magazines yet......
Got my notice, gear bag and mags shipped...should be here Wednesday
Shot my 4.5 today, sig 180 fmj and 180 vcrown.
Soft shooting and perfect functioning.
Except for one hot case down my back.
;D
I couldn't take it any longer. I ordered a 5.25 last night.
I am a Springfield fan boy next to Henry are the best Customer Service oriented companies in the good ole USA.
So I own several of thier guns.
XDS 45
1911 Range Officer Elite Operator 45 ACP
1911 Range Officer Elite Operator 9mm
1911 TRP 10mm
now as of tomorrow an XD(M) 10mm
I can tell you I have full confidence this gun will meet my high expectations and for some crazy reason it does not Springfield will come through 100% and make it right.
now a
Quote from: Tibetan on October 23 2018 01:08:47 PM MDT
Mini Range report
4.5 XDM 10mm (stock)
200 rounds downrange no problems: FTE,FTF,
ejection 4-6 feet over, behind right shoulder
all brass had dot imprint in primer-no dragging, no severe case bulging
Hornady 10mm 155 grain XTP
Hornady 10mm 180 grain XTP
Hornady 10mm 200grain XTP
Sig Sauer 10mm 180 grain JHP 1250 fps
This stuff did not feel like watered down 40SW ammo
Seemed like a tad less muzzle rise than the glock 20 gen4
Had far less recoil than the DW Valor (that sucks bought the Valor)- and put in 22 pound spring--26 wouldn't cycle well
both mags drop free easily
grip adequate- they could put more effort into that like the SW M&P new grip
FUN! just a lunch report--160 plus rounds
Everyone perceives recoil differently but I would have a hard time believing it has less muzzle flip than a Glock given how much higher the bore axis is on the Springfield. Also the valor weighs significantly more than the XDM so that ones a bit difficult to believe as well. I have a DW CBOB in 10mm and I feel the recoil is very manageble in it. I also have a Glock 20, 20LS and a 29 and I don't find any of them to have heavy muzzle flip even with the hottest loads on the market such as the Underwood 220 grain hard cast.
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Quote from: Mike D on November 11 2018 10:01:49 AM MST
Everyone perceives recoil differently but I would have a hard time believing it has less muzzle flip than a Glock given how much higher the bore axis is on the Springfield. Also the valor weighs significantly more than the XDM so that ones a bit difficult to believe as well. I have a DW CBOB in 10mm and I feel the recoil is very manageble in it. I also have a Glock 20, 20LS and a 29 and I don't find any of them to have heavy muzzle flip even with the hottest loads on the market such as the Underwood 220 grain hard cast.
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I'd say go shoot one. I have never been a fan of XD's and always thought they were top heavy. Years later I ended up getting to shoot a 4" XD converted to 460 Rowland and was amazed at how softly it shot vs the 1911 or Glock conversions I had access to. I ended up converting a used 4" XD service model to 460 Rowland for my personal collection. I still can't explain the platforms softer recoil impulse and reduced muzzle flip but everytime we do a side by side out at the range the result is the same: everyone prefers the XD. Could be better grip angle, grip size, dual recoil spring, more mass in the frame (they do have larger steel slide rails than most other polymer guns)? Whatever it is seems to hold true for the 10mm offering vs others.
As far a a heavier gun being better, I too used to think that, at least up till yesterday. Spent Saturday looking for "light" 460 Rowland loads that will still cycle the XD's slide on my conversion. Put about 200 rounds thru it testing two different powder ladders. Essentially 185gr Nosler JHP's running between 1300 and 1500 fps. I really can't tell I shot that many high powered loads. So I decided last night to put my 5" 1911 460 Rowland conversion up for sale. Despite the 5" 1911 being a heavier gun it just beats the heck out of my hands after 4 to 5 mags (the 255 gr hardcast loads are especially brutal).
I own a model 40,20,26 and several 1911 10mm. a
So I added the XDm 10mm
Few observations;
Longest darn trigger pull of any semi auto I own. Once I settled down and took up the free travel I was far more comfortable with the predictability of the break of the trigger. That said on defensive handgun it will work just fine for that purpose.
Recoil it is snappy much more snappy than any other 10 I own including the Ruger Wiley Clapp revolver. Light the bullet the better it felt. the 220 grain cast really snapped.
It's a keeper ........ hey it's a 10 what else can I say... ;D
Ramjet how is the trigger slap? I got one fired 10 rounds and thinking about sending it back to SA. I am calling it trigger slap but it feels like trigger slap or vibrations or something in the trigger it hurts like hell. Having said that this is the first polymer pistol I have ever owned but I know they all do not shoot like this. It was accurate and very reliable the dang trigger just hurts. I was doing some research and most just call it trigger slap and it seems at one time SA had an issue with that. There are after market triggers and from reading that really is the only way to fix it. Sending it back to SA helps some it seems but only after market totally solves it.
HELP ME please as of right now I have sworn off owning any additional polymer pistols >:D
I had problems with "trigger slap" yrs ago when I started shooting Glocks. When I did some research on the problem I was having I came up with this;
If you "ride the reset" on a Glock trigger or XD you may get what you describe as "trigger slap". This is more about training with a proper reset and being accustomed to trigger mechanics than any play in the trigger. IE if you aren't used to the reset, you could slap the trigger. I still get this from time to time with my G29.
You may have a true trigger issue but this is what happened to me after shooting and carrying only revolvers and single action Rugers and moving over to the striker fired world of handguns.
Quote from: mr.revolverguy on November 21 2018 05:22:53 AM MST
Ramjet how is the trigger slap? I got one fired 10 rounds and thinking about sending it back to SA. I am calling it trigger slap but it feels like trigger slap or vibrations or something in the trigger it hurts like hell. Having said that this is the first polymer pistol I have ever owned but I know they all do not shoot like this. It was accurate and very reliable the dang trigger just hurts. I was doing some research and most just call it trigger slap and it seems at one time SA had an issue with that. There are after market triggers and from reading that really is the only way to fix it. Sending it back to SA helps some it seems but only after market totally solves it.
HELP ME please as of right now I have sworn off owning any additional polymer pistols >:D
I have experienced what you are describing on other firearms but neither Springfield I have has any trigger slap. At the top end of the load spectrum my 460 Rowland conversion digs into the web of your hand pretty good but that is the price of 1000ft/lbs of energy ;D Shooting my 10mm today, hopefully Chrono some existing loads to see how it compares with some of my other 10mm's.
Thank you for the feedback but there is no way in heck that it is something I am doing with how painful this is. I mean literally can't make it through one magazine. I do not own but I have shot plenty of glocks and have not had this issue. I can't believe trigger reset would cause this sort of pain and bruising, some reports have said there is a bur in the trigger safety and I need to take it down and sand it out. Anyone else heard of that. I will look later.
please keep us posted!
Quote from: mr.revolverguy on November 21 2018 11:55:03 AM MST
Thank you for the feedback but there is no way in heck that it is something I am doing with how painful this is. I mean literally can't make it through one magazine. I do not own but I have shot plenty of glocks and have not had this issue. I can't believe trigger reset would cause this sort of pain and bruising, some reports have said there is a bur in the trigger safety and I need to take it down and sand it out. Anyone else heard of that. I will look later.
I finally got to take mine out today, it ran flawlessly. I tried several variations of trigger resets after seeing the above post and had no issues. I absolutely love the way the XD performs. From factory range loads to full power hand loads it managed recoil remarkably well. It even ran well with a box of aluminum blazers that I had been waiting to burn up.
I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. My new xdm 10mm 4.5" slapped the heck out of my trigger finger the first time i took it out. To the point that the pad of my finger felt like it got wacked with something. Only other gun i have felt that kind of trigger slap with was an old Romanian ak-47. I was shooting 180 gr xtp with a book max load of aa#9. All that being said my next 2 times to the range i did not find the trigger slap was not near as bad but it was still there. Im interested in the idea about "riding the reset" i have been shooting for years but could not say for sure that the combination of my technique and this particular gun could not be causing the problem. On the other hand it would be nice to know if other people have been having this problem. As new as the xdm 10mm is there may still be some bugs to work out. I plan to install a trigger kit from powder river soon anyway but for peace of mind i would like to get this figured out before i change the trigger.
I am curious.
Those of you with an XD having this issue...If you dry fire the gun, and while keeping the trigger depressed cycle the slide, does the trigger push forward against your finger as the disconnector does it's thing?
I just tried mine and it does not. What I did notcie while dry firing is that I can feel every vibration and reset. But this vibration can't be causing that sort of pain can it?
Another 200 rounds of 180gr berrys plated over 9.7gr of blue dot without a single malfunction.
Took my beowulf to the range in the same trip and the ROs were all giddy over getting to shoot it as well.
Quote from: mr.revolverguy on November 21 2018 05:22:53 AM MST
Ramjet how is the trigger slap? I got one fired 10 rounds and thinking about sending it back to SA. I am calling it trigger slap but it feels like trigger slap or vibrations or something in the trigger it hurts like hell. Having said that this is the first polymer pistol I have ever owned but I know they all do not shoot like this. It was accurate and very reliable the dang trigger just hurts. I was doing some research and most just call it trigger slap and it seems at one time SA had an issue with that. There are after market triggers and from reading that really is the only way to fix it. Sending it back to SA helps some it seems but only after market totally solves it.
HELP ME please as of right now I have sworn off owning any additional polymer pistols >:D
Absolutely know what you are saying. Few observations now that I have couple hundred rounds through this gun.
1.) Recoil impulse is sharp even with the 5.25" XDm hotter the loads guess what ;D Paractice will reduce this some.
2.) Trigger is self defense trigger long travel but clean break after take up. but in defensive situation who will even worry about the loooong take up? But you better practice that way or you will pull your shots to the left.
3.) This gun just begs for 200 Grain medium velocity loads. More than 40 less than full house 10mm.
4.) It seems to like the low weight projectiles as my Ruger revolver does as well.
5.) The gun is light weight and I absolutely love the grip and the geometry of the grip fits me perfect.
6.) Relieable it as reliable as they come not one FTF and I hav run every thing through it.
7.) Capacity my goodness it's got capacity carry 3 mags you have allot of firepower. :o
8.) Accuracy is good for a defensive pistol but not as accurate as my 1911'or model 40 MOS. That said; I have not this one as much as the other either so practice and familiarity are key to accuracy with some guns.
i agree , nice eval Ramjet...I have been looking at the powder river triggers for a little upgrade. Im not crazy about the trigger. I have never replaced a factory handgun trigger but what the hell...gonna do some more shooting this weekend and decide.
Went back out and put another 100 rounds of full power reloads threw her and didnt notice any trigger slap at all this time. So i guess either the trigger or the trigger finger found their groove. Put in my order for an ultimate match trigger from powder river anyway. Powder river is doing a black friday sale for 15% off so i couldn't resist. Think the sale goes for a week or more so if anyone is wanting to upgrade your trigger now is the time. The promo code is BF15 . I have the prp easy fit in my xd9 service and it is a night and day difference. I don't hate xd/xdm factory triggers but the powder river triggers are exceptional.
Ramjet,
Are you saying you are not having the same trigger issue?
Had a chance to run some loads past my Labradar yesterday. Been working a few ladders to find an accurate load for the 155gr Speer GDHP's that RMR is selling.
All ladder loads used new Jagemann brass, S&B primers with an OAL 1.255", all fps are averages of 8-10 shots.
Blue Dot ladder -
10.3gr 1265fps
10.8gr 1288fps
11.0gr 1311fps
11.6gr 1356fps
Didn't try max of 12gr
CFEP Ladder -
8.3gr 1237fps
8.5gr 1274fps
9.0gr 1335fps
Also shot some of my existing loads, interesting comparisons -
13.0gr AA#9 over 200gr WFNGC @1.25"
XDM 4.5" 1229fps
GP100 4" 1239fps (was expecting this to be slightly less than the XDM??)
Same as above but 13.3gr AA#9
EAA Match Elite 4.75" 1252fps
10gr Longshot over 165gr BBI RNFP @1.25
XDM 4.5" 1375fps
EAA Match Elite 4.75" 1382fps
Quote from: mr.revolverguy on November 25 2018 04:00:42 PM MST
Ramjet,
Are you saying you are not having the same trigger issue?
Trigger slap yes for sure, absolutely, I agree.
Ramjet and Mr.revolverguy, does the issue you're having feel like a combination of an intense vibration and an electrical shock when you're holding the trigger all the way back? Very brief, but surprisingly painful? Kind of like a small scale version of hitting a baseball off of the end of the bat and stinging your hands?
I had a G20 I rented shortly after they came out do this to me. I've shot several other Glocks before and since and never had it happen again.
Graybeard,
I struggled to describe my problem but you have just nailed it!
For me its load dependant. In any case it's not an issue for me. Just agree it exists.
I was shooting a rented G20 and G21 when this happened to me. G20 stung like hell every time I held the trigger back and the G21, not at all. I think what's going on here is an issue with harmonic resonance, the natural frequency at which things vibrate, and constructive and destructive interference. The constructive interference is increasing the amplitude of the vibration making it more powerful/painful. Ramjet's statement that it is load dependent works well with my theory as the energy impulse changes so does the frequency and power of the vibration traveling up the trigger bar and back to the trigger.
Basically, I think the trigger is acting like a high frequency tuning fork with enough energy to be painful. I doubt it is a manufacturing or design issue, more of a phenomenon when just the right circumstances occur.
My suggestion on how to rectify this would be change the frequency at which these parts vibrate. Different pins or different material pins for the locking block/trigger. The newer M&Ps have a fiber plug inside the trigger return spring. Perhaps that would work.
Quote from: Azrckcrawler on November 26 2018 07:10:08 AM MST
Also shot some of my existing loads, interesting comparisons -
13.0gr AA#9 over 200gr WFNGC @1.25"
XDM 4.5" 1229fps
GP100 4" 1239fps (was expecting this to be slightly less than the XDM??)
Really glad to see the XD runs on the 200gr WFNGC's, and thanks for posting it! I've been waiting to see reports they'd run well on the loads I want one for, now I really really wanna get one!
Dang it, gunmakers gotta stop jumping on the 10mm Bandwagon. Every time another one comes out with one, I WANTS one! I last succumbed when Ruger made the Super Redhawk in 10mm and I immediately went out and bought one.
Quote from: Bruno747 on November 23 2018 09:38:04 PM MST
Another 200 rounds of 180gr berrys plated over 9.7gr of blue dot without a single malfunction.
Sound like the recipe I pretty much use as my standard 10mm reload, except I use Precision Bullets .40 cal 185 grain RNF's for the projectiles.
Every magazine I put through this gun the more I like it. I ordered a nice Buffalo Simply Rugged holster and carries very comfortably and comes into action quickly. I am a Springfield fan boy but mostly for their 1911. the gun seems to partial to the 155-175 grain ammo. this us definately a keeper.
I have to admit after shooting mine about 300 rds I have sold my Glock 20! I never thought I would part with the G20 but just prefer the XDM grip and do shoot it better.
Quote from: mt10mm on December 27 2018 06:15:26 PM MST
I have to admit after shooting mine about 300 rds I have sold my Glock 20! I never thought I would part with the G20 but just prefer the XDM grip and do shoot it better.
Glock 20 stock is marginal at best. After the large frame I see as well.
Considering doing the same 😀
any day now, I can't wait for my XDM to arrive! ;D
I just found the XDMs in 10 for the first time today (gunbroker)...and because I've not been around the 10mm sites for well over a year, assumed this gun had probably been in production for quite a while. Was surprised to find it's a recent introduction..and very pleased to see a new 10 available.
I'm wondering about the stock grips...I've always thought the Springfield grips looked like they'd chew up the hands pretty fast, but I've not read any comments to that effect. Overall, would you say you can comfortably shoot a 100 rds in a session without any more abrasion than say a G29?
Looking at the 200gr AA9 loads above...those are right up there at max book (Hornady)--I'd think those would be the acid test for comfort or discomfort.
Anyway, congrats to all the current owners--thanks for the reviews and keep 'em coming, please! This is starting to look like a very attractive option for another semi auto in 10.
Do all of the 4.5" come with just 2 mags, vs the 3 I see many of the 5.25 shipping with?
I actually like the stock grips much better than the glocks, glock finger grooves are not my favorite, my mitts are too big for them. My 4.5 came with 2 mags but hey had the gear promotion where ya get three more mags free and a gear bag...very nice. I love the 4.5 and it has replaced my glock as my edc. nice set of night fision night sights, stoner inside the pants holster, nice ceracote on the slide and im rolling! ;D
As for the magazine question I did the rebate thats going on right now and got a nice bag and 3 additional magazines. So I have 5 magazines with this pistol now. Even though I am still trying to make up my mind on what to do about this stinging trigger.
I finally got my XDM! ;D ;D got it New Years Eve. great way to end the year. today I started the New Year by putting about 250 rds through it. what a nice shooting pistol!
Congratulations!!! What ammo were you able to put through it? I'm really looking forward to making one of those my next firearm soon.
all my re-loads. 180 gr HST & Gold Dots over 10.5 gr. Blue Dot, 180 gr. plated f.p.(x-treme bullets) over 10.5 gr Blue Dot, 200 gr plated (x-treme) and 200 gr. cast t.c. (Berrys bullets) over 9.5 gr. Blue Dot. all shot and functioned flawlessly except for one round that was not crimped down enough to chamber. (a reject that slipped through when I was adjusting my dies.)
i love mine, it is my new edc in a stoner inside the waist band holster, i drive from the country to the busy city so i carry a mag of silver-tips for city work, and a mag of either 180 Fed Trophy Match or Underwood 180/200g XTP for rural stuff. Added night sights and a little cerecote...see below
https://i.imgur.com/KNyRjsw.jpg
I haven't taken to carrying mine very often but I too love my 4.5". It fits nicely in them same holster I use for my 227 which is actually a 226 holster.
I'm thinking of getting a miami classic shoulder holster for it.
DAMMIT!
Now I have to get one too!
I wish they offered the 4.5"bbl length with the adjustable rear sight though...
I'd like to carry it AND be able to hunt with it too.....
Do they come with "the case full of goodies" like most of the XD lineup (hard case, kydex holster, mag carrier/a couple/few mags, etc...)?
50BMG- the reason I didn't get the 5.5 in. XDM was because of the adjustable sight. I really wanted the longer barrel for my hunting pistol and I do like adjustable sights but the target rear sight that comes on the pistol is about useless in a low light hunting situation. I called Springfield and asked about it and the slide cut and found out that it is proprietary and there are no other sights that will fit it. the slide cut on the 4.5 in. is compatible with a lot of other sights. the combat style fiber optic sight that came on my XDM , while not adjustable, is very easy to see in the semi dark or daylight. it looks so good that I'm going to leave it on and if I ever do want an adjustable sight it can easily be switched. now I'm waiting for Lone Wolf or Storm Lake to make a longer bbl. to fit the 4.5 in slide and I'll be happy.
Quote from: blaster on January 07 2019 07:29:27 PM MST
50BMG- the reason I didn't get the 5.5 in. XDM was because of the adjustable sight. I really wanted the longer barrel for my hunting pistol and I do like adjustable sights but the target rear sight that comes on the pistol is about useless in a low light hunting situation. I called Springfield and asked about it and the slide cut and found out that it is proprietary and there are no other sights that will fit it. the slide cut on the 4.5 in. is compatible with a lot of other sights. the combat style fiber optic sight that came on my XDM , while not adjustable, is very easy to see in the semi dark or daylight. it looks so good that I'm going to leave it on and if I ever do want an adjustable sight it can easily be switched. now I'm waiting for Lone Wolf or Storm Lake to make a longer bbl. to fit the 4.5 in slide and I'll be happy.
I hear ya Blaster... That's what I intend to do too...
There are also aftermarket adj. Rear sights available which fit w/no slide machining:
https://shop.springerprecision.com/Dawson-Precision-Adjustable-Rear-Sights-fit-XD-and-XDm-DPARS.htm
Springer says their rear will require their front sight too (their rear is probably higher than the factory one?) and the front adds another $40 to the cost. But, for being able to carry the gun 4.5" gun a bit easier than the 5.25, it's probably worth it.. They have fiber inserts front and rear too if you want.
On the barrels, I have a threaded Storm Lake on my XD.45 and it mates up very nicely with my Rugged Obsidian can.
I personally had a problem with a Lone Wolf barrel in a Glock with the same can (misaligned; damaged the can's end cap) so personally, I'd stay away from the LW if I were you. YMMV of course.....