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Title: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 01 2013 09:16:57 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Atomic Ammo 158gr Hex Plated JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1550 fps
Muzzle Energy: 842 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6660"/Dia. 0.3565": Hex Plated 158gr. JHP Actual weight 157.8 grains  crimped hard
C.O.A.L.: 1.5800"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3635" Length 1.2835"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Lil'Gun 18.0 grains
Tested in the S&W model 19 6" 1265 fps / 1275 fps June 8, 2013
Cases expanded to 0.3835" / 0.3840", primers slightly flattened, cases look good.

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 01 2013 02:10:00 PM MST
Chopinbloc got a couple of these for gel. I should have told him do this right after the DoubleTap .357's.

Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 01 2013 02:14:11 PM MST
Keep in mind that I haven't worked with Lil'Gun powder...it is my speculation that this load is Lil'Gun powder, based on the profile of the amount of powder, data with it and velocity claims.  However, I have never worked with this powder and only have two pictures to compare it with.
I hope someone who has some Lil'Gun powder, could post a picture of this powder or e-mail the picture as a file to me.
_Shadow_(at)Bellsouth.net  place the @ sign where it belongs for those who wish to contribute to the madness!

Update:  I did get Hodgdon Lil Gun powder and have confirmed my speculations as to that being it!  Worked with this powder in 458 SOCOM as well...
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 01 2013 02:18:56 PM MST
Added to the sheet. As info they are rated 1350 FPS but gave 1374/664 for me.


Could we move all the other .357's under one post here?
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 01 2013 03:16:04 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: LAPUA 158gr JSP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1230 fps
Muzzle Energy: 530 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: LAPUA - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6735"/Dia. 0.3570": 158gr. JSP
Actual weight 157.8 grains  crimped hard
C.O.A.L.: 1.5840" & 15770"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3675" Length 1.2830"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Vihtavuori N105  10.0 grains
Tested in the S&W model 19 6" 1239 fps /1266 fps June 8, 2013
Cases expanded to 0.3830" / 0.3825", primers slightly flattened, cases look good.

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 01 2013 04:32:21 PM MST
Interesting and different one. I bought those when SG had a deal going for a try. They are right there with powder charges of greater amounts.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 01 2013 09:22:34 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Precision 1 Speer 125gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1400 fps
Muzzle Energy: 543 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: FIOCCHI USA - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5365"/Dia. 0.3570": Speer 125gr. JHP
Actual weight 125.0 grains  crimped hard
C.O.A.L.: 1.5775" & 1.5825"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3735" Length 1.2810"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Unique 8.6 grains **One cartridge had ONLY 0.6 grains
Tested in the S&W model 19 6" 1270 fps /1110 fps June 8, 2013
Cases expanded to 0.3825" / 0.3825", primers slightly flattened, cases look good.

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**One cartridge had ONLY 0.6 grains of powder  (Not Good - would have been a possible squib round)
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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 01 2013 09:52:25 PM MST
Wow :o


So that could have been a squib? That's horrible! Unfortunately I have a good bit of Precision One left. It's not really any cheaper than other stuff and quality control looks a little lacking. I also remember they had real issues with their site and none of it was real strong.

So far we have had one low powder charge, one 180 that was actually 200's... and we have only pulled 1-2 from each MFG  :o
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 01 2013 10:15:48 PM MST
And it still is months later. I'm wondering if they actually closed up shop?

http://www.precisiononeammunition.com/index.php?main_page=down_for_maintenance
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 02 2013 09:25:19 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 158gr Hex Plated JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1400 fps ? the Speer Bonded is shown as 1475 fps
Muzzle Energy: 687 ft. lbs ? the Speer Bonded is shown as 763 ft lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6585"/Dia. 0.3565": Hex Plated 158gr. JHP
Actual weight 158.4 grains  crimped hard
C.O.A.L.: 1.5705" & 1,5625"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3710" Length 1.2800"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 or 296 14.6 grains
Tested in the S&W model 19 6" 925 ? fps /1183 fps June 8, 2013
Cases expanded to 0.3825" / 0.3830", primers slightly flattened, cases look good.

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 02 2013 10:09:44 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 125gr Montana Gold JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1600 fps
Muzzle Energy: 711 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: RP & RWS - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5630"/Dia. 0.3570": Montana Gold  125gr. JHP
Actual weight 125.6 grains  crimped hard
C.O.A.L.: 1.5890" & 1.5800"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3770" Crimp Diameter 0.3725" Length 1.2830"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 or 296  21.0 grains
Tested in the S&W model 19 6" 1575 fps /1518 fps June 8, 2013
Cases expanded to 0.3835" / 0.3830", primers slightly flattened, cases look good.

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 02 2013 12:28:40 PM MST
Precision One 125 was rated 1400 FPS and gave 1398 FPS out of my GP100.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 02 2013 02:47:32 PM MST
Thanks for that update on the Precision 1, I added that to the data sheet.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: RDub01 on February 15 2013 05:40:33 PM MST
Heya Shadow..
I pulled down some Speer 125gr a while back and found 20.8grs of a ball powder.  Interesting..

http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/189366-357-mag-125gr-factory-duplication.html
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 15 2013 06:30:26 PM MST
RDub01, that's good info, I wish you could post some closeup powder pictures to help ID them. I have lost my Hard Drive which had my powder picture files, I still have the pictures of powder I took, But I had a great data file of powder pictures.  It will be a while before I can rebuild those files.  New Hard drive on order!

Heavy crimps will help with the best ignition with these heavy charges for the 357 mag or 44 mag, as any other straight wall cartridge that is roll crimp-able.  Mag Primers can also help but some charges may need to be adjusted.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: RDub01 on February 15 2013 11:58:52 PM MST
I wasn't taking close-ups back then..  But I wasn't able to tell any difference from that ball powder to any other.. they all looked the same.

Quite a variety of powder types in those samples..  That Lapua round looks like it has Vihtavuori N-110 in it, or something like it.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on May 26 2013 08:37:27 PM MDT
I have to check if I added the Underwood to the sheet. Tonight I ordered Buffalo Bore 180's to play with!
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: RMM on May 29 2013 01:26:07 PM MDT
Yesterday I chrono'd 5 rounds of the Underwood 125 gr. GDHP out of a 6" Ruger Security Six.
1640 fps average!  Cases ejected smoothly.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on May 29 2013 01:41:25 PM MDT
That's about what I figured. I will do them out of my GP100 6" when I receive it. Kevin isn't too good on the heavier weights  :(
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on June 08 2013 06:08:09 PM MDT
Tested in the S&W model 19 6" June 8, 2013
Atomic 158gr Hex Plated JHP 1265 fps / 1275 fps
LAPUA 158gr JSP   1239 fps /1266 fps
Precision 1 Speer 125gr JHP   1270 fps / 1110 fps
Underwood 125gr Montana Gold JHP    1575 fps / 1518
Underwood 158gr Hex Plated JHP   975 ? fps / 1183 fps
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on June 08 2013 06:31:05 PM MDT
Well your strength of ammo's jog with mine but not the numbers. I got your 6" numbers with my 4" GP100  :o
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on June 22 2013 04:27:27 AM MDT


   This is a throw-back to Kevin's first .357's. This is the Hex plated 158gr listed in the sheet moving at about 1100 FPS out of a 4" barrel.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on June 22 2013 09:23:36 AM MDT
Surprised by the non expansion of those bullets!  ???
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on June 22 2013 01:10:14 PM MDT
  tnoutdoors9 didn't get anything with Kevin's Gold Dot either. They just aren't being driven hard enough at that velocity to open as they should. The Atomic Ammo Hex Raggedyman has is in the 1300's and will give a different result for sure!

     The one area Kevin needs a change in is the heavy Magnums.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on October 27 2013 04:35:44 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 140gr Barnes TAC-XP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1600 fps
Muzzle Energy: 795 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Top Brass – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7755""/Dia. 0.3565": Barnes 140gr TAC-XP
Actual weight 140.2 grains  cannelure grove: 0.3415"
HP depth  HP 0.2555" / HP dia. 0.1760" / mouth 0.1790" / Nose segments-6 
C.O.A.L.: 1.5785"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3630" (heavy roll) Length 1.2845"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Alliant 2400 16.0 grains
Tested Velocity: 1582, 1598, 1626 Average = 1602 FPS/ 798 LBS

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: DM1906 on October 31 2013 10:50:16 AM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on October 27 2013 04:35:44 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 140gr Barnes TAC-XP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1600 fps
Muzzle Energy: 957 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Top Brass – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7755""/Dia. 0.3565": Barnes 140gr TAC-XP
Actual weight 140.2 grains  cannelure grove: 0.3415"
HP depth  HP 0.2555" / HP dia. 0.1760" / mouth 0.1790" / Nose segments-6 
C.O.A.L.: 1.5785"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3630" (heavy roll) Length 1.2845"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Alliant 2400 16.0 grains
Tested Velocity: 1582, 1598, 1626 Average = 1602 FPS/ 798 LBS


Typo? The initial energy figure is just a bit optimistic. 1600 FPS should be 795 FPE. 957 FPE would require 1755 FPS. Your "tested" figure is correct, though.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on October 31 2013 04:09:26 PM MDT
Thanks!  Great catch! 8)  I try my best to be very accurate with my posting.  Sorry about that!  My typing fingers must have transposed the numbers...795 is what it is suppose to be.  Correction Update was made! ;D
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 05 2013 01:52:18 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 125gr Sierra JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1550 fps
Muzzle Energy: 666 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Top Brass – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5430"/Dia. 0.3570": Sierra  125gr. JHP
HP depth 0.1750" / HP tapered 0.1250" / mouth 0.2210" / 6 nose cuts TC style
Actual weight 125.2 grains  Cannelure groove 0.3465" / crimped medium
C.O.A.L.: 1.5670"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3710" Length 1.2815"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 or 296  21.0 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 05 2013 03:56:35 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 158gr Hornady XTP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps
Muzzle Energy: 737 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Top Brass – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6700"/Dia. 0.3570": Hornady 158gr. XTP
HP depth 0.1265" / HP tapered 0.1180" / mouth 0.1940" / 6 nose cuts TC style
Actual weight 158.0 grains  Cannelure groove 0.3465" / crimped medium
C.O.A.L.: 1.5760"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3740" Length 1.2820"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 or 296  16.0 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on December 05 2013 04:23:07 PM MST
Kevin's 125's have stayed the same just like he told me. Looks like the heavy stuff has though.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 05 2013 04:52:50 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 180gr LFN-GC
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1400 fps
Muzzle Energy: 783 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Top Brass – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6700"/Dia. 0.3570": LFN-GC 180gr.
Meplat 0.2550"
Actual weight 180.0 grains  Cannelure groove 0.3465" / crimped heavy
C.O.A.L.: 1.5690"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3650" Length 1.2820"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LilGun  16.8 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on December 05 2013 05:09:59 PM MST
   Interesting. With Lil'Gun does it create some issues?
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 05 2013 06:24:13 PM MST
It's a little hotter than the book shows for a 180 Jacketed round, Hodgdon shows 15.0 grains
180 GR. NOS PART    Hodgdon    Lil'Gun    .357"    1.575"    13.0gr @ 1279 - 27,500 CUP  15.0gr @ 1422 - 34,500 CUP

There is another powder called 300MP from Alliant, but I haven't seen it in a good picture of it yet.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on December 05 2013 07:11:11 PM MST
 I found this information but don't know what the issue is:

Because of the known issues with Lil' Gun and revolvers, I don't use it in mine anymore


Any idea on that statement?
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 05 2013 07:49:55 PM MST
Erosion of the forcing cones was mentioned, however they may be using massive charges of it, yield heat and gas to work on the area.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on December 08 2013 07:36:56 AM MST
  When you look at the sheet Kevin's 180's have .2gr's more of the same powder as Buffalo Bore. The Chronograph results 1387 versus 1400. Interesting!
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 28 2013 08:21:42 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap 200gr hard cast WFN-GC
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1310 fps
Muzzle Energy: 761 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: DT Double Tap – Nickel 
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8430"/Dia. 0.3570": WFN-GC 200gr.
Meplat 0.2600"
Actual weight 204.0 grains  Cannelure groove 0.3485" / crimped heavy in the upper groove
C.O.A.L.: 1.5855"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3745" Crimp Diameter 0.3695" Length 1.2825"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / W296  14.4 grains
Intercooler Tested
DoubleTap 200gr Hardcast (GP100 6") 1316, 1344, 1324, 1299, 1318, 1331, 1299. Average = 1318.71 FPS/ 772 LBS.

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on December 29 2013 08:07:55 AM MST
Interesting. The 180 will probably be the same but a little more powder.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 29 2013 08:27:28 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap 180gr hard cast WFN-GC
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1360 fps
Muzzle Energy: 739 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: DT Double Tap – Nickel 
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7230"/Dia. 0.3570": WFN-GC 180gr.
Meplat 0.2670"
Actual weight 179.0 grains  Cannelure groove 0.3485" / crimped heavy
C.O.A.L.: 1.5855"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3745" Crimp Diameter 0.3695" Length 1.2740"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / W296  16.0 grains
Intercooler tested.
DoubleTap 180gr Hardcast (GP100 6") 1349, 1370, 1332, 1383. Average = 1358.5 FPS/ 738 LBS.

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 29 2013 09:05:13 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: GECO 158gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1400 fps
Muzzle Energy: 687 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: GECO – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6675"/Dia. 0.3565": 158gr. JHP
HP depth 0.1600" / HP dia. 0.0775" / HP mouth 0.2200"
Actual weight 157.4 grains  crimped 0.3560" medium
C.O.A.L.: 1.5800"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3745" Length 1.2780"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? proprietary ? 9.4 grains*
*RamShot True Blue (158 HDY XTP 8.6gr @ 1,132 fps and 9.5gr @ 1,258 fps - 34,700 psi 1.590")
LOVEX is a posibility D037.01 with 10.8gr @ 1,312 fps

(https://s20.postimg.cc/4d4cv04b1/IMG_0533_zps9352366b.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/4d4cv0c0t/IMG_0534_zpsf0293cfe.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/9oj9fq5t9/IMG_0535_zps8912580f.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/reky0rr3x/IMG_0536_zps38ecadee.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on December 29 2013 09:17:22 AM MST
Yup. Looks good!
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 29 2013 09:27:01 AM MST
The GECO being a foreign product and said to produce their own components and possibly powders as well.  The powder looks similar to the stuff in their 9mm product.  Based on the lighter charge weight and velocity obtained it's a fast burning, small flattened ball powder, looking at it you could confuse it for H-110/296, but it doesn't fit that profile.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on January 24 2014 06:36:15 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Hornady 125gr FTX (Flex Tip Hollow Point)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
Muzzle Energy: 624 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Hornady - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6340"/Dia. 0.3565": Hornady FTX  125gr.
Actual weight 124.8 grains  cannelure 0.3525"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5470"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3730" Length 1.2830"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol  10.0 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/qiogl94jx/IMG_0595_zpsfdccba11.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/f6bv3h3kt/IMG_0596_zpse006e562.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/hnnmaqv71/IMG_0597_zps80787651.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on January 24 2014 07:47:45 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Hunting Shack Inc. HSM Bear Load 180gr RNFN-GC
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 576 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7720"/Dia. 0.3575": LFN-GC 180gr.
Meplat 0.2585"
Actual weight 186.2 grains  Cannelure groove 0.3250" / crimped heavy
C.O.A.L.: 1.5520"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3630" (Roll Crimp) Length 1.2825"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LilGun  14.4 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/jyq9sgkzx/IMG_0598_zps6d9a76fb.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/ldruh6tst/IMG_0599_zps68721734.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/jlyvmai5p/IMG_0600_zps82c7540c.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/ae6n5lit9/IMG_0601_zps1a40772f.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on January 25 2014 03:11:40 AM MST
That explains why the HSM performed well. I hope the .44's do the same!
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 21 2014 09:11:47 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: ProGrade 200gr Hard Cast
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 640 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8350"/Dia. 0.3580": Hard Cast  200gr.
Actual weight 197.4 grains / cannelure 0.3405" / outside casing 0.3490"
MEPLAT 0.2650"
C.O.A.L.: 1.6125"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3660" Length 1.2820"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / 296  14.0 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/vnu9gtwnh/IMG_0086_zps758a24be.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/fcu5kirvh/IMG_0087_zps4daec84c.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/52rqla9pp/IMG_0088_zps30b33a2b.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/40hk2qym5/IMG_0089_zpse716d5a5.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 21 2014 09:41:51 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: ProGrade 180gr Hornady XTP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: N/A fps  (1420 fps)
Muzzle Energy: N/A ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7490"/Dia. 0.3565":Hornady 180 gr XTP
HP Depth 0.0835" / HP Dia. 0.1005" / HP mouth 0.2135"
Actual weight 179.8 grains  dual cannelures 0.3435"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5655"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3690" Length 1.2830"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Lil'Gun  15.0 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/a1f8zu8dp/IMG_0090_zps9f62e4eb.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/enbd871ml/IMG_0091_zps35c26cbf.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/nic7ipy4t/IMG_0092_zps10c1e5a1.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/f02redzbx/IMG_0093_zpsaae8a019.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 21 2014 10:11:59 AM MST
What velocity do you guess on these? I'm shooting them tomorrow.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 21 2014 10:16:19 AM MST
Based on the Hodgdons data, they state 1422 fps from 10 test barrel.  You may see 1380 fps give or take... ::)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 21 2014 10:26:55 AM MST
Hardcast as well?
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 21 2014 10:48:42 AM MST
The Hard Cast seems pretty hot but data I found, did state that the velocity was 1200 fps for the 200 Cast
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on March 08 2014 05:51:32 PM MST
Any idea on the Prograde 200gr Hardcast Meplat?
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on March 08 2014 06:25:20 PM MST
Sorry about that it was added in the post...MEPLAT 0.2650"
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on March 08 2014 06:38:44 PM MST
Thank you!
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on March 26 2014 02:24:28 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington 125gr JSP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps
Muzzle Energy: 583 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington RP – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5465"/Dia. 0.3570": 125gr. JSP
MEPLAT 0.2250"  Cannelure 0.3470"
Actual weight 125.4 grains 
C.O.A.L.: 1.5800"
Primer: Nickel color (red sealant)
Case: Diameter 0.3745" Crimp Diameter 0.3665" (medium crimp) Length 1.2830"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / 296  20.0 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/lrt6gvln1/IMG_0241_zps8f31e9ce.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/z8q4zr3od/IMG_0242_zps5f6f08ec.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/5tkgqr6ul/IMG_0243_zps88f5a6ca.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/ixq13g6m5/IMG_0244_zps6d4e8be2.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on April 08 2014 12:23:45 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Herter's Select Grade 158gr  FMJ  (made by Sellier&Bellot)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1264 fps
Muzzle Energy: 560 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Herters – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6785"/Dia. 0.3565": TC 158gr. FMJ
Actual weight 157.6 grains  crimped hard / cannelure groove 0.3500"
MEPLAT 0.2440"  (exposed lead base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5820"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3745" Length 1.2835"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LOVEX D036-03  9.2 grains*
*(LOVEX D036 data best 158 HDY XTP 9.3 gr @ 1,345 fps and 9.7 gr @ 1,443 fps 43,100 psi)
*(LOVEX D037-01) ?

(https://s20.postimg.cc/5gt2kmeb1/IMG_0301_zpsc1214afa.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/hvfukydj1/IMG_0302_zps06fd5372.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/hioges2yz/IMG_0303_zps47d45e28.jpg)

Change to the powder data made based on new data
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on May 21 2014 07:39:02 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Herter's Select Grade 158gr  FMJ 2 (provided by IC)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1264 fps
Muzzle Energy: 560 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Herters – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6790"/Dia. 0.3565": TC 158gr. FMJ Actual weight 158.0 grains  crimped hard / cannelure groove 0.3500"
MEPLAT 0.2440"  (exposed lead base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5785"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3745" Length 1.2780"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LOVEX D036-03  9.2 grains*
*(LOVEX D036-03 data best 158 HDY XTP 9.3 gr @ 1,345 fps and 9.7 gr @ 1,443 fps 43,100 psi)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/w1vlgfgr1/IMG_0382_zps1fac99ea.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/7ldflynq5/IMG_0383_zpsc1223711.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/gt5o2o2i5/IMG_0384_zps6b7bfb9f.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/3p03pzi65/IMG_0385_zps6db428f8.jpg)

Powder info changed finding new info
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on May 21 2014 08:06:04 PM MDT
Did I send you two FMJ's? I thought one was a JSP?
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on May 21 2014 08:19:33 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture:Precision Made Cartridges (PMC) Bronze 158gr JSP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1240 fps
Muzzle Energy: 484 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PMC - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6450"/Dia. 0.3565":  158gr. JSP
Actual weigh 158.2 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.3530" 
MEPLAT 0.2670"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5780"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 1.2830"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/W 296 15.0 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/ke1jleem5/IMG_0386_zps42d5c01a.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/4fstv9s3x/IMG_0387_zps0647001a.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/q27ucaye5/IMG_0388_zps460a6e63.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/tyl68ar3h/IMG_0389_zps6ee49ad4.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on May 21 2014 08:21:33 PM MDT
You sent the first Herters FMJ back in April, so they are reinforcing each other... 8)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on October 23 2014 04:09:41 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Magtech Guardian 125gr Gold  JHP (supplied by Intercooler)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1378 fps
Muzzle Energy: 527 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos  CBC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5545"/Dia. 0.3565":125gr Magtech Gold   HP Depth: 0.2200" / HP Dia.: 0.1250" (tapered hex cavity) Mouth: 0.2300"
JHP Actual weight 124.4 grains  (concave base) (roll crimped) cannelure 0.3400"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5635"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3725" Length 1.2820"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 or 296  19.2 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/4sk81n5al/IMG_0025_zpse8fea42e.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/y7pwanhjx/IMG_0026_zps608aa21a.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/fs5fd9b59/IMG_0027_zpsa2627380.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/f2mn0wibh/IMG_0028_zps745a9eb2.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on November 16 2014 10:20:13 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Littlestone Excel Elite187gr WFN-GC Lead Bullet Technology (LBT) hard cast (IC)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1460 fps
Muzzle Energy: 884 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Nickel 
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7465"/Dia. 0.3585": LBT 187gr. WFN-GC
Meplat 0.2730"
Actual weight 186.4 grains  Cannelure groove 0.3435" / crimped heavy
C.O.A.L.: 1.6025"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3710"(heavy roll) Case Length 1.2820"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Hodgdon Lil'Gun 14.0 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/dato65459/IMG_0107_zps84fb99f8.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/6kd6wpop9/IMG_0108_zps18a1dca9.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/wfwxfwy8t/IMG_0109_zpsf7203532.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/5i30e6lbh/IMG_0110_zps5c868d3a.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on November 16 2014 11:25:11 AM MST
Seems like the powder for big and heavy.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on November 16 2014 03:54:38 PM MST
Yep, Lil'Gun has a good velocity to pressure for them.  ;)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on January 03 2015 04:46:41 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Priv Partizan Ammo PPU 158 gr SJHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1600 fps
Muzzle Energy: 897 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6720"/Dia. 0.3555": 158gr. JSHP
MEPLAT 0.2840" / HP Depth 0.1700" / HP tapered / HP Dia. 0.1525 Cannelure 0.3545"
Actual weight 157.8 grains  ( black sealer) (held like glue)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5690"
Primer: Small pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" (medium crimp) Length 1.2830"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? AA#9 ?  14.6 grains *
*(looks like the newer AA#9 and the data also that is similar)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/3qa1jejzx/IMG_0334_zpsf83ccf2a.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/431fpl9zh/IMG_0335_zps7409dc7b.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/a3z4mo4bh/IMG_0336_zps71793b0b.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/on69o3565/IMG_0337_zps90092a18.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on January 17 2015 10:32:31 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Georgia Arms 158gr Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1425 fps
Muzzle Energy: 712 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6400"/Dia. 0.3565": 158gr. GD JHP
HP Depth 0.1140" / HP Dia.0.1800" tapered / Mouth 0.2710"
Actual weight 158.6 grains  concaved base  cannelure 0.3460"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5690"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3715" crimped medium Length 1.2800"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Lil'Gun 19.4 grains*
*(it's hard to put this in place because many books list velocity with a 10" Barrel)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/6yeivxqot/IMG_0370_zps48592ec7.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/nyxf4mj5p/IMG_0371_zpsa9ba63f4.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/mwn8m3825/IMG_0372_zps58305458.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/wh6v8z53x/IMG_0373_zps7ed1eb24.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on January 18 2015 04:39:41 AM MST
No wonder the Georgia Arms felt like firing a Cannon! Given it is also Lil'Gun, it would be best to not shoot a ton of these?
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on January 18 2015 10:14:29 AM MST
Yea I found that charge to be higher than Hodgdon's data and checked against Alliant MP-300.
They are showing data for 10" barrels
Hodgdon shows Lil'gun, 18.0 @ 1577 fps 25,800 CUP (lower pressure than the other powder like H-110 and 296 40,700CUP)
Alliant MP-300 18.6 @1690 fps
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on January 18 2015 01:30:32 PM MST
I looked over the .44 Magnum sheet and some of those don't have that amount of Lil'Gun  :o
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 07 2015 04:56:07 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Parabellum Research PBR 110gr JHP (provided by IC)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1608 fps
Muzzle Energy: 631 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line  – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.4810"/Dia. 0.3570": 110gr JHP
Actual weight 109.4 grains  concave base / cannelure groove 0.3450"
HP depth  HP 0.0770" / HP dia. 0.1400" (tapered) / mouth 0.2230"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5775"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3655" Length 1.2860"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / 296 22.2 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/81yn8aw0t/IMG_0474_zps34c72e50.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/57vhuv9a5/IMG_0470_zps2ea7ecad.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/7p79250wd/IMG_0471_zpsd60d34e1.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/rjtao9ntn/IMG_0473_zps5d33d01c.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 07 2015 05:27:08 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Parabellum Research PBR 125gr FMJ  (provided by IC)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1608 fps
Muzzle Energy: 631 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line  – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5300"/Dia. 0.3570": 125gr FMJ
Actual weight 125.2 grains  (concave base) 
MEPLAT 0.2350"   cannelure groove 0.3450"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5850"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3700" Length 1.2805"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol 9.6 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/51me5nfa5/IMG_0475_zpscc8e9aa4.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/a09wk6qst/IMG_0476_zps35ec593f.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/3mktgxtml/IMG_0477_zpsaf243f7a.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/nh6v32gjx/IMG_0478_zps20c0392d.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 07 2015 05:40:57 PM MST
Kind of interesting seeing Power Pistol in there.
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 07 2015 07:54:44 PM MST
It works pretty good, except for the bright flash.  I have used it is some of my loads.  :D
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on July 23 2015 09:01:47 AM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi Ammo  158 Gr CMJFP #1 (provided by Intercooler 2015)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1220 fps
Muzzle Energy: 522 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: G.F.L. (Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy)  – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6490"/Dia. 0.3565": 158gr. CMJTC Actual weight 158.2 grains  crimped light / cannelure groove 0.3560"
MEPLAT 0.2000"  plated (flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5745"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3765" Length 1.2865"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol  7.4 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/f07crv1hp/IMG_0029_zpsxq9g1lhx.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/lqnu1awd9/IMG_0030_zpsibgkcjn5.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/hhj3z50tp/IMG_0031_zpsqhxmrz1t.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/t6n3n477v/IMG_0032_zps4trhvm5r.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on July 23 2015 09:32:15 AM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi Ammo 158 Gr CMJFP #2  (provided by Intercooler 2015)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1220 fps
Muzzle Energy: 522 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: G.F.L. (Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy)  – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6490"/Dia. 0.3565": 158gr. CMJTC Actual weight 158.0 grains  crimped light / cannelure groove 0.3560"
MEPLAT 0.2045"  plated (flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5720"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 1.2865"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol  7.4 grains

(https://s20.postimg.cc/fsa0qvxx9/IMG_0033_zpsu4os5njp.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/v0zy4nzbh/IMG_0034_zpsiub7pcly.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/ru5el1ml9/IMG_0035_zpsl2n5zzan.jpg)
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on July 23 2015 10:06:48 AM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Magtech 357B 158gr Semi JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1235 fps
Muzzle Energy: 535 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos  CBC – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6555"/Dia. 0.3570":158gr MagtechSJHP   HP Depth: 0.1275" / HP Dia.: 0.1350" (tapered cavity) Mouth: 0.2760" segmented jacket
JHP Actual weight 158.4 grains  (flat base) (roll crimped) cannelure 0.3405"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5595"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3660" Length 1.2815"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ?  14.4 grains*
*(Magtech makes their own powders) **(COMPRESSED LOAD)

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on July 23 2015 11:06:29 AM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington 125gr Semi JHP (provided by IC 2015)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum  (High Terminal Performance) ???
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps
Muzzle Energy: 583 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington RP – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5465"/Dia. 0.3570": 125gr. JSP
HP Depth: 0.2470" / HP Dia.: 0.1330" (tapered cavity) Mouth: 0.2160" scalloped jacket
Actual weight 124.2 grains  Cannelure 0.3440"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5810"
Primer: Nickel color (red sealant)
Case: Diameter 0.3745" Crimp Diameter 0.3710" (medium crimp) Length 1.2830"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / 296  19.2 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 17 2015 06:58:48 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Tulammo 158 Gr FMJFP (provided by Intercooler 12/2015)
\Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1280 fps
Muzzle Energy: 574 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Tulammo (Tula Cartridge Works)  – Steel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6775"/Dia. 0.3570": 158gr. FMJFP
Actual weight 158.2 grains / exposed lead base / crimped light  groove 0.3560"
MEPLAT 0.2350" 
C.O.A.L.: 1.5790"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color (clear sealer)
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3770" Length 1.2815"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: VihtaVuori N350  8.4 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on December 18 2015 04:05:00 AM MST
Vita? It couldn't be a crazy Russian powder?
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 18 2015 08:39:05 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi Ammo 142 Gr FMJTC(supplied Intercooler)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1420 fps
Muzzle Energy: 650 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: G.F.L. (Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy) – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6565"/Dia. 0.3565": 142gr. FMJTC Actual weight 143.8 grains  crimped light / cannelure groove 0.3530"
MEPLAT 0.1660"  (exposed lead flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5855"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 1.2870"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol  8.6 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 18 2015 09:36:15 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fiocchi Ammo 125 Gr SJSP(supplied Intercooler)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps
Muzzle Energy: 585 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: G.F.L. (Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy) – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5215"/Dia. 0.3570": 125gr. SJSP
Actual weight 125.0 grains  crimped light / cannelure groove 0.3475"
MEPLAT 0.2700"  (flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5565"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3750" Crimp Diameter 0.3740" Length 1.2850"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Power Pistol  9.4 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 18 2015 10:35:57 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Perfecta (Fiocchi) Ammo 158 Gr FMJ (provided by Intercooler)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1314 fps *(posted 1200 fps 6")(test BBL 7" 400 Mps/1314 fps)
Muzzle Energy: 605 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PERFECTA – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6720"/Dia. 0.3565": 158gr. FMJ
Actual weight 158.8 grains  crimped medium / cannelure groove 0.3495"
MEPLAT 0.1850"  (exposed lead)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5760"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3725" Length 1.2865"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: VihtaVuori  3N37  9.0 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 18 2015 01:46:27 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Aquila Ammo 158 Gr SJSP(supplied Intercooler)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1545 fps *10" BBL
Muzzle Energy: 838 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: AQUILA – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length* 0.6600"/Dia. 0.3570": 158gr. SJSP
Actual weight 157.0 grains  crimped heavy / Sealant glued the jacket tight
MEPLAT 0.2140"  (dimpled base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5595"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3730" Length 1.2820"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / W296  15.6 grains
* Length* 0.6600" (based off putting the bullet back together)
Bullet came apart when pulling because the sealant glued the jacket tight.

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 18 2015 08:04:19 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: HPR 158gr Hornady XTP (provided by Intercooler 12-2015)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1560 fps
Muzzle Energy: 865 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: HPR – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6710"/Dia. 0.3570": Hornady 158gr. XTP
HP depth 0.1800" / HP tapered 0.1300" / mouth 0.2330" / 6 nose cuts TC style
Actual weight 157.8 grains  Cannelure groove 0.3440" / crimped medium
C.O.A.L.: 1.5830"  (flat base)
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3730" Length 1.2815"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 or 296  16.2 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 18 2015 09:31:59 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Sig Sauer Elite Ball 125gr FMJ (provided by Intercooler 12-2015)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps
Muzzle Energy: 583 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Sig Sauer SIG  – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5300"/Dia. 0.3575": 125gr FMJ
Actual weight 124.8 grains  (exposed lead base) 
MEPLAT 0.1900"   cannelure groove 0.3475"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5520"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3690" Length 1.2805"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 10.0 grains*
*(originally listed as Power Pistol)

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 09 2016 12:52:26 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Smith & Wesson 357 158gr Semi JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1235 fps
Muzzle Energy: 535 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Smith &Wesson S&W – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6890"/Dia. 0.3565":158gr S&W SJHP   HP Depth: 0.1025" / HP Dia.: 0.1570" (tapered cavity) Mouth: 0.2300"
JHP Actual weight 157.8 grains  (flat base) (heavy crimp) cannelure 0.3425"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5815"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3660" Length 1.2890"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/W296  15.4 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 09 2016 01:25:12 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer 357 140gr Semi JHP Pentagon
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1235 fps
Muzzle Energy: 535 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6875"/Dia. 0.3570":140gr Speer SJHP   HP Depth: 0.1500" / HP Dia.: 0.1520" (pentagon cavity) Mouth: 0.2500"
JHP Actual weight 140.0 grains  (flat base) (heavy crimp) cannelure 0.3455"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5970"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color (red sealer)
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3720" Length 1.2860"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/W296  19.4 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 09 2016 01:53:26 PM MST
Never heard of those two. Are they still made?
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 09 2016 02:05:13 PM MST
These are older S&W and Speer ammo my Brother-in-law inherited...Next is a PMC 357B 125gr JHP
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on February 09 2016 02:16:10 PM MST
That 140 should zing along pretty good!
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on February 09 2016 02:49:52 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture:Precision Made Cartridges (PMC) 125gr SJHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps
Muzzle Energy: 583 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PMC - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5480"/Dia. 0.3565": 125.0gr. SJHP
Actual weigh 125.4 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.3525" 
HP Dia 0.1100" / HP Depth 0.2800" Mouth 0.2560"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5770"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color (red sealant)
Case: Diameter 0.3755" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 1.2860"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/W 296 18.8 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on April 14 2016 04:43:59 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Jamison Brass & Ammo125gr Montana Gold JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1475 fps
Muzzle Energy: 604 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5570"/Dia. 0.3570": Montana Gold  125gr. JHP
HP Depth: 0.1000" / HP Dia.: 0.1520" (tapered) cannelure groove 0.3480"
Actual weight 125.2 grains  (crimped medium)(flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5750"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3725" Length 1.2795"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: HS-6 10.8 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on April 14 2016 05:43:12 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Jamison Brass & Ammo Guardian Grade 158gr  JHC
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 505 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6740"/Dia. 0.3570": 158gr. JHC
HP Depth: 0.1255" / HP Dia.: 0.1520" (tapered) cannelure groove 0.3480"
Actual weight 158.0 grains  (crimped medium)(flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5820"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3730" Length 1.2795"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H4227 / IMR 4227 14.6 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on April 14 2016 06:15:47 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Freedom Munitions (REMAN) 125gr FP (plated)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1515 fps  ? no data listed ?
Muzzle Energy: 636 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: INDIA *I* – Brass (Jubbelpore Arsenal, Jubbelpore, India)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5255"/Dia. 0.3565": 125gr. FP (plated)
Actual weight 124.8 grains  (crimped medium)(flat base) crimp line 0.3560"
MEPLAT: 0.2140"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5720"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3785" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 1.2840"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Tight Group 7.4 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on April 14 2016 07:06:30 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Freedom Munitions (NEW) 158gr FP (plated)
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1370 fps
Muzzle Energy: 658 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: X-TREME – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6455"/Dia. 0.3560": 158gr. FP (plated)
Actual weight 157.6 grains  (crimped medium)(flat base) crimp line 0.3560"
MEPLAT: 0.2160"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5650"
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3755" Length 1.2780"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Tight Group 5.6 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on April 14 2016 07:42:30 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Sig Sauer Elite Performance V-Crown 125gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 357 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1450 fps
Muzzle Energy: 583 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Sig Sauer  SIG - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5440"/Dia. 0.3565": JHP 125gr
HP Depth: 0.0650" / HP Dia.: 0.1340" (almost straight)  crimp groove: 0.3495"     
Actual weight 125.0 grains  (flat base)( not crimped in low cannelure groove) 0.3500"     
C.O.A.L.: 1.5250"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3750" (medium) Length 1.2770"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: BE-86 10.2 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 06 2017 11:29:44 AM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fenix Ammunition 158gr FP (plated) FMJ (reman) Provided by IC Nov2017
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 548 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Hornady / GFL – Brass (used)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6420"/Dia. 0.3565": 158gr. FP (plated)
Actual weight 158.2/157.8 grains  (0.3500" cannelure line)(flat base) crimp line 0.3470"
MEPLAT: 0.2250"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5420" / 1.5650"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3770" Crimp Diameter 0.3765"/ 0.3730" Length 1.2500"/1.2875"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: HP-38/ W231 7.0 grains

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Hornady casing is way short...
Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 06 2017 05:03:57 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Fenix Ammunition Zero 125gr JHP (Renan) Dec 2017
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1650 fps  ? 1360 fps
Muzzle Energy: 755 ft. lbs ? 514 ft lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PMC - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5760"/Dia. 0.3555": Zero 125gr. JHP
HP Depth: 0.1700" / HP Dia: 0.0845"  HP outside: 0.2030"
Actual weight 125.0 / 125.2 grains  flat base cannelure 0.3445"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5865" / 1.5825"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3770"/0.3775" Crimp Diameter 0.3630" Length 1.2830"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: HP-38/W231  8.2/8.2 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: The_Shadow on December 06 2017 08:45:48 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Reed's 200gr Hard Cast Flat Nose provided by IC Dec 2017
Ballistics Information: 357 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 594 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8210"/Dia. 0.3580": Hard Cast  200gr. Flat Nose (Keith Style)
Actual weight 199.4 / 199.0 grains / cannelure 0.3405" / outside casing 0.3045"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5880" / 1.5870"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Nickle color
Case: Diameter 0.3760" Crimp Diameter 0.3655" Length 1.2820"/1.2795"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / 296  12.8/12.8 grains

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Title: Re: 357 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldown
Post by: Intercooler on December 10 2017 04:19:29 PM MST
I updated the sheet to this point today.
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