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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 340gr LFN GCHard Cast
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1478 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1649 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 9815"/Dia. 0.4315": Hard Cast 340gr.     
Actual weight 342.2 grains  Meplat 0.3380"
C.O.A.L.: 1.7565" & 1.7605"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4425" (heavy roll crimp) Length 1.2725"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 22.2 grains ?  Guess Lil'Gun ( I need more pictures of Lil'Gun powder)
Pictures:
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Buffalo Bore Info and Warning!
Heavy .44 Magnum +P+ Ammo - 340 gr. L.F.N. - G.C. (1,478 fps/M.E. 1,649 ft. lbs.) - 20 Round Box
NEW HEAVY 44 MAGNUM +P+
This new load is designed ONLY for certain firearms. They are as follows; Ruger Red Hawk, Ruger Super Red Hawk, Ruger Super Blackhawk or Vaquero, Freedom Arms Model 83, Taurus Raging Bull, Colt Anaconda and Dan Wesson Revolvers. Suitable rifles include T/C Encore, "modified" Marlin 1894 (see next paragraph), Winchester 1894, any rifle with a falling block action and the Handi Rifle. We get hundreds of emails asking if this load can be fired in S&W revolvers or some firearm other than what is in the above list. The answer is NO.

Hodgdon's 2012 Annual book shows 2 Loads using the 330 gr BTB LFN GC over 19.0grains of Lil'Gun @ 1332 fps from 8.275" barrel and the 355 grain BTB LFN GC over 17.5 grains of Lil'Gun @ 1247 fps from the 8.275" barrel.

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Prvi Partizan (PPU) 300gr JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1279 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1095 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 8585"/Dia. 0.4295": JSP 300gr.     
Actual weight 299.4 grains  Meplat 0.2735"  Double Cannelure
C.O.A.L.: 1. 6000" & 1.5980"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4545" Crimp Diameter 0.4465" (medium) Length 1.2770"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 16.4 grains ? May be Serbian made power, small flatten ball/flake but larger than H-110, 296 and simular to AA#7 burn rate and profile.  Looks like Silhouette powder.
Tested from S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 1094 fps / 1121 fps June 8th 2013
Cases expanded to 0.4590" / 0.4590", primers rounded, cases look good.

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AA#7 Profile - No.7 300 SIE JSP 14.6 grains @ 1,074 - 16.2 grains @ 1,221 40,000 1.735"

Lil Gun. That's a new one!

Didn't see a picture of the bullet weight but was it 340?

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Parabellum Research (PBR)  200gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1528 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1036 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 6015"/Dia. 0.430": JHP 200gr.     
Actual weight 199.6 grains 
C.O.A.L.: 1.6230"
Primer: Nickel color (with strike mark)
Case: Diameter 0.4520" Crimp Diameter 0.4465" (medium) Length 1.2770"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 28.4 grains H-110 or 296
Tested from S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 1632 fps June 8th 2013
Case expanded to 0.4600", primers slightly flattened, case look good.

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I missed the picture of the Buffalo Bore LBT 340 gr on the scale, had company show up and forgot the picture. Sorry! :-[
Actual weight 342.2 grains  Meplat 0.3380"
Just goes to show how quick things can get overlooked if not having undivided attention... ::)

I got a sale on some of my .357 ammo today and... gulp... bought some DoubleTap .44's. First try and will send you a couple to tear down after I Chrony them.


1 x .44 Magnum 240gr Bonded Hunter

also 300gr Nosler

Cool! Let me know when you get a positive so I can add to the sheet.

All of PBR's .44's had some real pop!

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington   180gr JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1610 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1036 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington Peters (RP) - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 5480"/Dia. 0.4295": Sierra JSP 180gr.     
Actual weight 180.0 grains 
C.O.A.L.: 1.6010" & 1.5975"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4540" Crimp Diameter 0.4425" (light) Length 1.2810"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 27.6 grains H-110 or 296
Tested from S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 1659 fps / 1657 fps June 8th 2013
Cases expanded to 0.4585" / 0.4600", primers rounded, cases look good.

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Any guess on the PBR HP bullet?

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Hunting Shack Manufacturing (HSM)  240gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 833 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7045/Dia. 0.4290": Speer JHP 240gr.     
Actual weight 240.4 grains 
C.O.A.L.: 1.5790" & 1.5785"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4540" Crimp Diameter 0.4410" (medium) Length 1.2770"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 9.0 grains ? TiteGroup (Looks like LongShot but the charge weight will not deliver the velocity at that weight)
Tested from S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 1171 fps / 1194 fps June 8th 2013
Cases expanded to 0.4595" / 0.4600", primers starting to flatten, cases look good.

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No wonder why HSM blows. Watered down  :-X

The PBR bullet I don't know where they get them from, I've looked over mast makes but do see it in the common line ups.  They may produce their own bullets.

HMS if it is loaded with LongShot it would be under 1200 fps and if it is loaded with TiteGroup would be around 1200 @ 9.0 grains according to my data.

What are you seeing from the HSM loads?  ???

Thanks for all this good information. I have the BB 340gr +P+ ammo but have never pulled a round to see what's inside.

harrygunner, it is my speculation that this load is Lil'Gun powder, based on the profile of the amount of powder, data with it and velocity claims.  However, I have never worked with this powder and only have two pictures to compare it with.
Buffalo does have a specific WARNING for that cartridge ONLY be shot in the listed guns, NOT to be shot in any others.
I can't shoot them form my revolver.  But thanks to Intercooler for sending these to rounds to me to show what is being used and dispell the myths... ???

I hope someone who has some Lil'Gun powder, could post a picture of this powder or e-mail the picture as a file to me.
_Shadow_(at)Bellsouth.net  place the @ sign where it belongs for those who wish to contribute to the madness!

Can they be put back to shootable shape? I have a monster that will handle them.

Yes I have put them back to their original specs and I send them to you when I'm finish everything up. :D

Added the following load data for the BB 340 load...comparison of Hodgdons data...
Hodgdon's 2012 Annual book shows 2 Loads using the 330 gr BTB LFN GC over 19.0grains of Lil'Gun @ 1332 fps from 8.275" barrel and the 355 grain BTB LFN GC over 17.5 grains of Lil'Gun @ 1247 fps from the 8.275" barrel.

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap 300gr  Nosler JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1325 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1161 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8590"/Dia. 0.4290": 300gr. Nosler JHP
depth 0.1570" / inside Dia. 0.1260" / mouth Dia. 0.2815"
Actual weight 299.8 grains   Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.4285"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5760" & 1.5695"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4515" (Tight taper) Length 1.2680"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge H-110 or 296 Weight: 20.0 grains
Tested S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 825 ? fps / 1257 fps June 8, 2013
Cases expanded to 0.4600" / 0.4600", primers slightly flattened, cases look good.

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap 240gr Bonded Hunter JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1200 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6900"/Dia. 0.4295": 240gr. BH JSP
Actual weight 240.2 grains   Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.4200"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5750"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4450" (heavy roll) Length 1.2765"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge H-110 or 296 Weight: 23.6 grains
Tested S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 1345 fps / 994 ? fps June 8, 2013
Cases expanded to 0.4590" / 0.4590", primers rounded, cases look good.

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Are 110 and 296 the same or you can't decipher?

They are the same...Just different labels, at least right now.

But, and we say it all the time, always use current load data.  In 1970 H110, Win 296 and AA#9 were all the same powder.  Today that is not the case, with AA#9 having a faster burn rate.  It appears that what has actually happened is H110 and Win 296 got slower when AA#9 stayed the same, but who knows.

Gotcha. The .44's from them aren't very strong either.

I was looking in my Hodgdon's book and they show more powder than what DT is using for the 240 grain JHP...this was a bit of a surprise for a company that is selling ammo on the premise of being higher performance stuff.

This is why I like doing the studies and I roll my own...compare notes, load and test to see how and what works, is accurate, clean burning performance from my guns.  Then if needed, I can make adjustments or refine things.

   What's the true performance standard for .44 Magnum in 180, 240 and 300gr? You know I have tested many and can only judge by my hand and F1 Chrony instruments  ;D

The 44 magnums as you have see with the Buffalo Bore 340 grain they load they specificaly said fire them ONLY in certain guns and NOT to be fired in others guns...yes some of the guns are built stronger and better materials.  But they don't list whether the loads are over pressure or not!

The hottest max loadings listed in the Hodgdon's 2012 annual shown as;
180 grain Hornady XTP with H-110 or 296, 31.5 grains @ 1896 fps 29,900 CUP(low pressure compared to other rounds with less velocity)
Lil'Gun 31.5 grains @ 1859 fps 32.300 CUP

240 grain Nosler JHP
H-110 24.0 grains @ 1522 fps 36,200 CUP
W-296 24.0 grains @ 1522 fps 36,200 CUP
Lil'Gun 24.5 grains @ 1582 fps 38,100 CUP

300 grain Hornady XTP
H-110 19.0 grains @ 1325 fps 38,800 CUP
W-296 19.0 grains @ 1325 fps 38,800 CUP
Lil'Gun 17.7 grains @ 1280 fps 37.600 CUP

The Lyman Devastator 260 grain Cast with gas check that I sent you were loaded with 16.2 grains Blue Dot @ 1455 fps should be about 37,000 CUP

So far the PBR .44 are smoking. I was possibly going to get a box of these just to see what they are made of but... crazy expensive and with the information I have now not much greater than Buffalo Bore:

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/44mag.html

The 330gr Hammerheads!

Buffalo Bore fell short only giving 1234 FPS. You think that 1400 FPS is realistic or they hanging out with someone else in Utah  :o

Hodgdon show that 330 grain BTB LFN GC  loaded with 19.0 grains Lil'Gun @ 1332 38,000 CUP
Hodgdon show that 355 grain BTB LFN GC  loaded with 17.5 grains Lil'Gun @ 1247 37,900 CUP

New .44 to play with. Starfire 240gr by PMC with my last shipment.

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The PMC website lists them at 1300 fps.

Thanks for the info. I was about to add them into the sheet but didn't know the rating.

I was a little surprised at the velocity. I thought they were going to be an 1100 fps self defense load.

Shot the Starfire .44's today. Weak! Average 1226 FPS/ 801 LBS out of a 7.5" Redhawk barrel.

Got these today Shadow. Did the 180 FMJ version long ago but not the XTP's. More work for you and Raggedyman if he can figure out the gel length needed  :o Underwood 180 and 300 XTP's.

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I like those 180's.

I up for the pull-downs of anything you want to send.  8)

Maybe put one into some gel.  :P

Anthony posted some available ammo today and I grabbed a box of 240 V-Supreme and 240 HP to test.

https://www.pbrammo.com/news/stock-ammunition-update-0

 Today was .44 day and I finally... finally decided to do those Buffalo Bore 340's with everything else. I warmed up and did a bunch, so I knew I would be ready! All from my 7.5" Redhawk:

Remington 180gr JSP Average = 1689 FPS/ 1130 LBS
American Eagle 240gr JSP 1445, 1413, 1416, 1431. Average = 1426.25 FPS/ 1084 LBS
Underwood Ammo 300gr XTP 1174, 1144, 1167, 1177. Average = 1165.5 FPS/ 905 LBS
Underwood Ammo 180gr XTP 1583, 1608, 1620, 1575. Average = 1596.5 FPS/ 1019 LBS
Devastator 260gr Cast 1387, 1313, 1334, 1352, 1349. Average = 1347 FPS/ 1048 LBS
Buffalo Bore 340gr HardCast 1416, 1404. Average = 1410 FPS/ 1501 LBS!!!! Two perfect readings on the only two I had and showed me why they are best shot in certain firearms  :o :o

They 340's actually shot great but did have some push-back burping those big slugs through the barrel. I can see how a big diet of those could probably expand a frame. I like them!

Intercooler Writes...

QuoteBuffalo Bore 340gr HardCast 1416, 1404. Average = 1410 FPS/ 1501 LBS!!!! Two perfect readings on the only two I had and showed me why they are best shot in certain firearms   

They 340's actually shot great but did have some push-back burping those big slugs through the barrel. I can see how a big diet of those could probably expand a frame. I like them!

Where these the ones I pulled-down and sent back to you?

QuoteDevastator 260gr Cast 1387, 1313, 1334, 1352, 1349. Average = 1347 FPS/ 1048 LBS

Where these some of the ones I sent you?  If yes, the velocity readings are closer to what I had @ 1370 average.

Yup. Those are the ones on both counts!

  Two more new ones today. Check out the FMJ tip! Different than any other I have seen.

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That's interesting looking *  Butt Hole FMJ... LOL  :o

  Someone brought it to my attention today their 10mm V-Supreme ratings have been lowered. I contacted Anthony hoping it is a misprint. He has a good thing going and hope that's all it is!

That FMJ looks like it might be a frangible.

Off to see how they perform.

PBR 240gr FMJ (Redhawk 7.5") 1422, 1430, 1437, 1503, 1510, 1407, 1473, 1474. Average = 1457 FPS/ 1131 LBS
PBR 240gr JHP (Redhawk 7.5") 1418, 1411, 1476, 1411, 1430. Average = 1429.2 FPS/ 1089 LBS

I have Ted Nugent 270gr's on the way to test and pull down.

Quote from: The_Shadow on March 11 2013 09:38:34 AM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap 300gr  Nosler JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1325 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1161 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8590"/Dia. 0.4290": 300gr. Nosler JHP
depth 0.1570" / inside Dia. 0.1260" / mouth Dia. 0.2815"
Actual weight 299.8 grains   Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.4285"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5760" & 1.5695"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4515" (Tight taper) Length 1.2680"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge H-110 or 296 Weight: 20.0 grains
Tested from S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 825? fps / 1257 fps June 8th 2013

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44 Magnum test S&W Model 29 8 3/8" June 8, 2013  Up dated the Pull-Downs in this section.
Hunting Shack Manufacturing (HSM)  240gr JHP  1171 / 1194
Parabellum Research (PBR)  200gr JHP            1632
Prvi Partizan (PPU) 300gr JSP                       1094 / 1121
Remington   180gr JSP                          1659 / 1657
Double Tap 240gr Bonded Hunter JSP            1345 /   994 ?
Double Tap 300gr  Nosler JHP                        825 ?/ 1257

Your two Double Tap loads look correct on the larger number with my results. What was the barrel length? Those PBR's smoke!

The S&W 29 has a 8 3/8" barrel...

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: American Eagle 240gr JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1270 fps
Muzzle Energy: 859 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6840"/Dia. 0.4295": 240gr. JSP
Actual weight 240.0 grains   Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.4210"
MEPLAT 0.3000"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5900" / 1.5950"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4495" (med taper) Length 1.2770"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge H-110 or 296 Weight: 23.8 grains

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Ted Nugent 270gr Uni-Cor JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1542 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1356 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: NUGENT - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7700"/Dia. 0.4300": 270gr. Uni-Cor JSP
Actual weight 269.6 grains   Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.4180"
MEPLAT 0.2880"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5940" / 1.5940"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4455" (heavy roll) Length 1.2775"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge ?? H-110 or 296 ?? Weight: 22.0 grains
(Lighter in color and has some yellow dust in the mix)

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I'm at a total loss for what the powder is and I wonder if it's a powder not available to the handloader.

Isn't that the same powder we saw in their 10mm load? I knew the American Eagle had a strong charge! It's all I shoot and all that is needed!

Here is what was in the Ted Nugent 10mm, If I recall it was even a finer/smaller powder... :-\
However it maybe the same. ???
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Wish we knew what powder it is.

REDLINE, I'm with you on that one!  It is possible they are having their powder blended for them.  The powder is light grey color which seems to suggest a lack of graphite and or other deterrents or coatings.  The yellow dust seems to be an identifier of some sorts for Pierce Ammo.  Mystery what they are using but the load data is interesting.  I was thinking RamShot products however they seem to be darker almost black or dark grey...

The powder in the 44's are similar to H-110 / W296 without the darker coatings and the powder in the 10mm was similar to AA#7 without coatings.

Quote from: The_Shadow on July 26 2013 05:24:53 PM MDTIt is possible they are having their powder blended for them.

I want to say you're right.

When looking at the charge weight there are only so many powders to choose from and it's a pretty short list, especially when most I'm aware of can be weeded out immediately by look alone.

It's not:
No.9, Enforcer, 2400, H110, W296, 300MP, IMR 4227, Lil'Gun or N110.

I don't know what Norma 123 or 200 look like or what the charge weights would have to be, but highly doubt it would be either one anyway.  I also don't believe it could be Accurate 4100 or Alliant 410.

The only possibilities I hold in question are IMR SR-4759 and H4227 (discontinued?), and that's because I know nothing about them, like what they look like or what the charge weights would be.  All in all though I'm leaning toward exclusive blend.

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Crossfire Black Max 225 grain SCHP (Black Oxide)
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1123 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester Western WW Super – Brass (Black Oxide)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8925"/Dia. 0.4295": 225 grain Barnes TAC-XP w(Black Oxide)
Actual weigh 224.0 grains  Crimp/Cannelure Diameter 0.4140"
HP depth  HP 0.4195" / HP dia. 0.2045" / mouth 0.2660"
C.O.A.L.: 1.6060"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4525" Crimp Diameter 0.4365" (very tight) Length 1.2840"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Lil'Gun ? 20.0 grains
Tested Velocity: 1502, 1494, 1539. Average = 1511.66 FPS/ 1142 LBS

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Pretty interesting. I can't wait to see how it does in gel for application type. Could possibly be a good Hog or Deer round?

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Ammo  245gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1390 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1050 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6740"/Dia. 0.4290":  245gr. FMJ (appear to be plated)
Actual weigh 244.6 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.4275" 
Meplat 0.3000"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5700" /1.6340" (seated long or backed out)
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4535" / 0.4540" (no  crimp) Length 1.2710"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/W 296  19.8/20.2 grains
*(cases measure short (trim length 1.2750") hence no rolled crimp to hold bullet tight)*

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Maybe round it to 20.0? What does it mean the cases measure short?

Quote from: Intercooler on October 27 2013 12:01:51 PM MDT
Maybe round it to 20.0? What does it mean the cases measure short?

The charge weight may have been set for 20.0 grains, but I listed the actual weights found.

Actual case length measure 245 FMJ, Length 1.2710" if the crimping was not adjusted for shorter cases, this would explain less crimp.
The recommended trim length 1.2750" 
Difference is 0.0040"

Here are other case for comparison
Other Underwood Star Line; 1.2730" & 1.2755" (these are longer than the one's that the 245 FMJ where the bullet moved out under recoil)
Ted Nuget case was 1.2775"
Black Max WW-Super case was long 1.2840" "still within maximum length"

Let me know if you still need info.

The one that was sticking out. Loose on the crimp? I know I couldn't move it!

Quote from: Intercooler on October 27 2013 02:34:09 PM MDT
The one that was sticking out. Loose on the crimp? I know I couldn't move it!

One soft wrap with the puller and it fell out!  Even the other dropped out very easy as well.

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Ammo  305gr LBT-LFN
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1325 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1188 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8940"/Dia. 0.4305":  305gr. LBT-LFN
Actual weigh 303.0 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.3945" 
Meplat 0.3355"
C.O.A.L.: 1.6300"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4460" (heavy crimp) Length 1.2735"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/W 296  20.8 grains

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I missed this one. Kevin is doing pretty good now on the heavy stuff! I'm trying to twist his arm into a 340gr or bigger  :o

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Ammo  240gr  Hornady XTP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1550 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1280 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7035"/Dia. 0.4300": 240gr.Hornady XTP
Actual weigh 240.6 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.4145" 
HP Depth 0.1000" / HP Inside Dia concave / HP Mouth 0.2340"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5930"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4500" (heavy) Length 1.2740"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ?  21.4 grains

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New? 300-MP?

I have thought of the 300MP and Data I have shows the 300-MP using 23.0 grains @ 1570 fps, I an still looking for pictures of this powder.  R-Dub never responded to an PM I sent him about pictures.

Another powder I thought of is AA4100
No data was shown for Silhouette, however it is different looking.

Ramshot Enforcer or 4227?

I don't think it is Enforcer based on the data and the picture I have of it it is black spherical round balls like AA#9.
Definitely not 4227

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 240gr Deer Grenade HP GC HCast
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag +P (4F)
Muzzle Velocity: 1578 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1326 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length  0.7720"/Dia. 0.4315": Hard Cast 240gr.     
HP depth 0.3345" / inside tapered Dia. 0.2040" / mouth Dia. 0.3145"
Actual weight 242.0 grains  Cannelure 0.3380"
C.O.A.L.: 1.6555"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4525" Crimp Diameter 0.4360" (heavy roll) Length 1.2800"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  H-110/296  25.6 grains

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap 320gr  Hunters WFN Hard Cast
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1325 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1247 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8700"/Dia. 0.4305": 320gr. LBT WFN
MEPLAT 0.3450"
Actual weight 312.4 grains   Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.4185"
C.O.A.L.: 1.6220"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4510" (Tight taper) Length 1.2700"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge H-110 or 296 Weight: 20.6 grains

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  The Buffalo Bore Deer Grenade has a ton of powder and no wonder it went 1600 FPS  :o


What do you think about these bullet weights from DT? I believe in the round up or down theory for advertising. My opinion is false advertising  :-X

BTW... The DT Hunter 320 gave me 1333 FPS average if you wanted to adjust the rating in the picture. The flap said 1325 FPS.

You had written 1133 fps, and that was what I had used, but went back and adjusted the velocity to box flap and changed the energy rating to match that level... 8)

  Yup. I put a 1 where a 3 should be  :o

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Hunting Shack Manufacturing (HSM) 305gr WFN Hard Cast gas check
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1260 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1175 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8945"/Dia. 0.4310": Hard Cast 305gr.     
MEPLAT 0.3420"
Actual weight 311.4 grains 
C.O.A.L.: 1.6270"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4415" (heavy roll) Length 1.2750"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? LilGun ? 17.0 grains
Tested by Intercooler Redhawk 7.5" 1269, 1245, 1211. Average = 1241.66 FPS/ 1044 LBS

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester   240gr JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 741 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester Western  (WW) - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7000"/Dia. 0.4300": Winchester JSP 240 gr.
MEPLAT 0.2815"     (concave base) cannelure 0.4215"
Actual weight 239.8 grains 
C.O.A.L.: 1.5910"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4510" (light) Length 1.2795"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 or 296  25.0 grains
Tested by Intercooler Redhawk 7.5" 1364, 1304, 1346, 1404, 1336, 1403. Average = 1359.5 FPS/ 985 LBS

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Ammo 340gr +P+ LLFNGC
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1425 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1533 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.9850"/Dia. 0.4310":  340gr. LLFNGC
Lead Long Flat Nose Gas Check
Actual weigh 337.6 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.3945" 
Meplat 0.3535" / 0.4820" sticking out of the casing
C.O.A.L.: 1.7440"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4345" (heavy crimp) Length 1.2735"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Lil'Gun  20.0 grains

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Northern Hills Precision Ammo 240gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: N/A fps  (1110 fps)
Muzzle Energy: N/A ft. lbs  (656ft/lb)
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 6770"/Dia. 0.4290": FMJ plated 240gr.     Actual weight 240.8 grains
Meplat 0.2970" / (crimp groove 0.4285") (concaved base) (dia. ahead of crimp 0.430)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5975"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4520" (medium) Length 1.2815"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Alliant Unique 10.0 grains

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Prograde 320gr Bear Load WFN Hard Cast
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: N/A fps  (tested 1358 fps)
Muzzle Energy: N/A ft. lbs  (tested 1312 ft/lb)
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 9100"/Dia. 0.4310": Hard Cast 320gr. Gas Check   Actual weight 320.2 grains 
Meplat 0.3490" / cannelure 0.4045"
C.O.A.L.: 1.7035"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4465" (heavy) Length 1.2780"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / 296  22.0 grains

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Two extremes. The Northern Hills were weaker than 10mm and the Prograde ripped!  :o

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Wolf Ammo  240gr JHP Gold
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1542 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1266 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7180"/Dia. 0.4290": JHP 240gr.     
HP depth 0.2140" / HP dia. 0.1250" / Mouth 0.260" / Cannelure 0.4255"
Actual weight 240.8 grains   (some black sealant)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5970"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4560" Crimp Diameter 0.4500" (medium) Length 1.2770"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ?  ? 23.4 grains *
(very fine flatten ball)(similar to H-110 / 296 performance by weight)

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 305gr LFN GCHard Cast
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1325 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1188 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 8895"/Dia. 0.4315": Hard Cast 340gr.     Actual weight 302.2 grains  Meplat 0.3440"
C.O.A.L.: 1.6230"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4375" (heavy rolled) Length 1.2695"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / 296 20.8 grains

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Ammo 340gr +P+ LLFNGC 11_14
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1400 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1479 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.9860"/Dia. 0.4310":  340gr. LLFNGC
Lead Long Flat Nose Gas Check
Actual weigh 338.4 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.3945" 
Meplat 0.3535" / 0.4825" sticking out of the casing
C.O.A.L.: 1.7385"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4355" (heavy crimp) Length 1.2740"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Lil'Gun  20.6 grains

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Very close to same done (Reply #81 on: February 21, 2014)

  I gave my results to Kevin after the last test. These were supposedly changed to the Buffalo Bore loading to hit the 1425 FPS advertised number. Given 20.6 vs 22.2 you found in BB... not enough to get there!

What numbers did you get?  BTW the reason the bullet shows dark is because the rounds were tumbled to clean them after they were loaded...

Close to 1400 FPS. What would be the purpose of cleaning them post loading?

Just in case there was lube or handling stuff, but it makes the brass shiny!  ;)

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Prabellum Research (PBR) 240gr Value JSP  (provide by IC)
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1308 fps
Muzzle Energy: 911 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CBC - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6800"/Dia. 0.4300":  240gr. JSP
Actual weigh 240.8 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.4150" 
Meplat 0.2800"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5755"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4545" Crimp Diameter 0.4450" Length 1.2750"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/W 296  23.0 grains

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester  250 gr. Platinum Tip JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 867 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester Western  (WW Super) – Nickle
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7580"/Dia. 0.4305": Winchester JHP 250 gr.
HP depth:  0.3575" / HP Dia: 0.1575" / HP mouth: 0.2975  (six segments)   
Actual weight 247.2 grains  (exposed lead base) cannelure 0.4180"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5870"
Primer: Large Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4520" (light) Length 1.2795"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 or 296  22.2 grains

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: UNKNOWN (handload?) 240gr FMJ plated
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: ??? fps (est 1200 fps)
Muzzle Energy: ??? ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington RP - Brass (used)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6600"/Dia. 0.4305":  240gr. FMJ
Actual weigh 240.2 grains  Cannelure Diameter 0.4250" 
Meplat 0.2700"  flat base
C.O.A.L.: 1.5800"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4545" Crimp Diameter 0.4520" Length 1.2810"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Hodgdon Tight Group 8.6 grains

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: FIOCCHI EXTREMA 200gr XTP (44XTPB25)
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1490 fps
Muzzle Energy: 985 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 6000"/Dia. 0.4310": XTP 200gr
HP Depth: 0.1050" / 0.1770" (rounded)  cannelure groove: 0.4180"     
Actual weight 200.0 grains  (flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5900"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4515" (medium) Length 1.2760"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Hodgdon HS-6 15.6 grains

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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Freedom Munitions 240gr XTP (FM44X240N)
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1290 fps
Muzzle Energy: 886 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: X-Treme - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 7075"/Dia. 0.4305": XTP 240gr
HP Depth: 0.0975" / HP Dia.: 0.1760" (rounded)  cannelure groove: 0.4185"     
Actual weight 240.4 grains  (flat base)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5895"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4550" (medium) Length 1.2750"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Tight Group 10.2 grains

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X-Treme is suppose to start sell powders soon with their own naming convention...

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Sig Sauer Elite Performance V-Crown 240gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 900 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Sig Sauer  SIG - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 7245"/Dia. 0.4300": JHP 240gr
HP Depth: 0.1800" / HP Dia.: 0.1760" (tapered)  crimp groove: 0.4265"     
Actual weight 240.4 grains  (flat base)( not crimped in low cannelure groove) 0.4260"     
C.O.A.L.: 1.5825"
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4525" (medium) Length 1.2750"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110 / W296 22.0 grains

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1st I want to shoot out a huge THANKS to all involved with these ammo pulldowns!!!  I know I speak for others too that it's much appreciated!  You guys rock! 8)

Quote from: The_Shadow on July 24 2013 11:03:17 PM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Ted Nugent 270gr Uni-Cor JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1542 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1356 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: NUGENT - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7700"/Dia. 0.4300": 270gr. Uni-Cor JSP
C.O.A.L.: 1.5940" / 1.5940"
Primer: Nickel color
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge ?? H-110 or 296 ?? Weight: 22.0 grains  (Lighter in color and has some yellow dust in the mix)

Quote from: The_Shadow on December 28 2013 04:14:44 PM MST
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Ammo  240gr  Hornady XTP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1550 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1280 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7035"/Dia. 0.4300": 240gr.Hornady XTP
C.O.A.L.: 1.5930"
Primer: Brass color
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ?  21.4 grains

Quote from: The_Shadow on March 26 2014 10:58:16 AM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Wolf Ammo  240gr JHP Gold
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1542 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1266 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7180"/Dia. 0.4290": JHP 240gr.
Actual weight 240.8 grains   (some black sealant)
C.O.A.L.: 1.5970"
Primer: Brass color
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ?  ? 23.4 grains *  (very fine flatten ball)(similar to H-110 / 296 performance by weight)

Did anyone happen to get actual velocities on the above 3 quoted loads with their personal revolver?  If so I'ld be very interested in knowing the details. 

Intercooler;  I saw your reply #46 in this thread where you stated;  "I have Ted Nugent 270's on the way to test and pull down."  Did you get chronograph results on those with your Redhawk?

Wish we had positive powder IDs on those loads.  Wish there was a simply way for us to positively ID primers too.  Oh well, can't have everything.

Yup! All of them have been tested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wVUEEK67EJh_udjEp_eeRmqC0bIUS2Ibjp10MXWPMVk/edit?usp=docslist_api

Thanks Intercooler!  A few observations;

The Wolf load turned out to be a disgrace.  I couldn't believe the advertised velocity numbers to begin with and your testing showed my suspicion was correct.  Maybe they did their velocity testing from a rifle barrel length.

What really got me potentially interested in the Ted Nugent load was TheShadow posting an advertised velocity of 1542fps but I see in the spreadsheet you showed advertised velocity of 1456fps.  Still impressive if it were true, but of course it wasn't. :(  Doesn't matter much anymore though since that load isn't available anymore according to the Ted Nugent Ammo website.  In 44MAG they now only offer a 180gr load.

Seems the Underwood load isn't available anymore either.  It was impressive compared to most factory loads I see.  Would be nice to know the powder they were doing it with, and at what pressure level.  This was another load that you and TheShadow claimed different advertised velocities on by 50fps, but not a big deal.  A Nosler bullet load seems to have replaced it.  Underwood claims;
Technical Information
•Caliber: 44 Magnum
•Bullet Weight: 240 Grains
•Bullet Style: Nosler Jacketed Hollow Point
•Case Type: Ducta-Bright 7a Nickel Plated Brass

Ballistics Information:
•Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
•Muzzle Energy: 1199 ft. lbs.


I'ld be curious to see the results of this new Underwood Nosler bullet load in ballistic gel and if Underwood is loading it with equal specs and components to the old XTP load.

Thanks again for all the awesome data to all who have provided it!

There are plenty recipes for the 44 Mag and many using the H-110/W 296 across the bullet various weights.  It has been the most widely used powder in the 44 Magnums.  When you study the data the test gun and barrel length need to be considered with the posted velocities.  For example Hodgdon list their 44Mag data tested from a 8.275" with a 1:20" twist.  Their 357 Magnum is shown using a 10" with a 1:18.75" twist.  They don't mention if they are fixed barrels in a universal receiver, which they probably are at Hodgdon.  Speer Manuals will show their data fired from a production gun and barrel...

So when we shoot the ammo over a chrony we may not see the same velocity.

Recently ran some Buffalo Bore and Underwood 305gr ammo over my then new Labradar.  Guns/bbl lengths - 2 3/4" S&W M69, 4 1/4" S&W M69 and 7 1/2" Ruger SRH.  Thought the results might be of interest:

Buffalo Bore, 305 LBT LFN HC rated 1,325 fps
Underwood, 305 LFNGC Plated (HiTech?) rated 1,325 fps
LabRadar muzzle velocity at 33 deg F Buffalo

S&W M69 2.75" ===> BB 1,195 fps ===> Under 1,147fps
S&W M69 4.25" ===> BB 1,276 fps ===> Under 1,248 fps
Ruger SRH 7.5" ===> BB 1,395 fps ===> Under 1,315 fps

Paul