I really hate putting my buckeyes out on the chopping block and or moving away from the 10 mm. I have heard that you can get ruger gp100's converted to 10mm but the cost is something like 650.00 and almost a years wait. clements i think. I wish ruger would just see the light and start putting out gp100's in 10 mm oh yeah and rossi a 10 mm lever gun. OH yeah!!!! now were talking!!!!
I have a GP100 and thought the same thing at different times. However... a stout .357 the way it was intended in the GP100 is a ton-o-fun too!
Quote from: silverback on January 19 2013 11:06:08 AM MST
......a gp100's in 10 mm oh yeah and rossi a 10 mm lever gun. OH yeah!!!! now were talking!!!!
Yeah, that would be nice
I think a Redhawk and a Deerfirld Carbine in 10mm would be nice too
I'n thinking a lighter carry piece would be better than a big old Redhawk. I prefer big bullets in big guns.
Quote from: DenStinett on April 16 2013 08:35:01 PM MDT
Quote from: silverback on January 19 2013 11:06:08 AM MST
......a gp100's in 10 mm oh yeah and rossi a 10 mm lever gun. OH yeah!!!! now were talking!!!!
Yeah, that would be nice
I think a Redhawk and a Deerfirld Carbine in 10mm would be nice too
I personally would never buy a Rossi
Instead of a Deerfield, why not just buy a Mech Tech?
Some locales have signifcant restrictions on magazine capacity in hunting rifles. That would be one reason a mech-tech might not be an option for certain applications.
Quote from: sqlbullet on April 27 2013 12:17:00 AM MDT
Some locales have signifcant restrictions on magazine capacity in hunting rifles. That would be one reason a mech-tech might not be an option for certain applications.
"Hunting" vs. statutory law is different. A simple "plug" in a magazine would satisfy hunting regulations, such as used in shotguns. The "manufacturer's" rules/laws are different between hunting and possession/capacity rules. When "hunting", only actual capacity in possession matters (within the local statute). Legal definitions include actual, and potential capacity. "Plugging" a magazine is simple, and since changing the "capacity" requires disassembly, it's not a problem. Living/hunting in CA sucks, but it has made us much aware of any possible solutions available.
Quote from: Hairtrigger on April 26 2013 05:16:16 AM MDT
Quote from: DenStinett on April 16 2013 08:35:01 PM MDT
Quote from: silverback on January 19 2013 11:06:08 AM MST
......a gp100's in 10 mm oh yeah and rossi a 10 mm lever gun. OH yeah!!!! now were talking!!!!
Yeah, that would be nice
I think a Redhawk and a Deerfirld Carbine in 10mm would be nice too
I personally would never buy a Rossi
Instead of a Deerfield, why not just buy a Mech Tech?
Rossi has been acquired by Taurus. My 35+ year old model 66 Taurus .357 mag shoots just as good today as the few hundred thousand rounds ago, which was durned good. Maybe their quality has improved.
I have a old Interarms Rossi 720 44Spl & an Interarms Rossi 357 levergun and they are super performers. I know they have a spotty rep but at this point what really are your options? I would love a nice Marlin 1894 10mm but I dont think that will happen anytime soon, but the Ruger 10mm conversion is something I really am thinking about doing.
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/dabullmanp9/Rugersnubs4_zpsae784bef.jpg)
It is nice, not really much of an improvement ballistically over the .357 at this barrel length, but it is cool all the same. Shoots pretty nice, I wish my grips were just a touch longer
Quote from: Hairtrigger on April 26 2013 05:16:16 AM MDT
Quote from: DenStinett on April 16 2013 08:35:01 PM MDT
Quote from: silverback on January 19 2013 11:06:08 AM MST
......a gp100's in 10 mm oh yeah and rossi a 10 mm lever gun. OH yeah!!!! now were talking!!!!
Yeah, that would be nice
I think a Redhawk and a Deerfirld Carbine in 10mm would be nice too
I personally would never buy a Rossi
Instead of a Deerfield, why not just buy a Mech Tech?
I have my MechTech
A nice MG20....runs flawlessly with its 20 Round Mags
(https://i.imgur.com/dn4SiRI.jpg)
Can't remember now, but I did read somewhere the Marlin is thinking of offering the 1894 in 10mm
As I said, I don't remember where I read it, but it would be nice too
I would be first in line to get a Marlin 1894 in 10mm, I love a 10mm & lever guns so it would be great. Hows that Mec-Tec upper working out for ya? I love my 1911 45acp Mec-Tec and bet its a ball in 10mm, do they fit on a G21SF lower?
I would even be happy if S&W brought back the 610 and 310. O.K. maybe also added a 510.
YUP the 20sf and the full size 20 are the same on top.
My M-T 10mm with the sf lower.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/SDS47/10MM/M-TG20sf.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/SDS47/media/10MM/M-TG20sf.jpg.html)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/SDS47/10MM/M-TG20sfcloseup.jpg) (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/SDS47/media/10MM/M-TG20sfcloseup.jpg.html)
Keeps my Dillon 650 humming to keep up.
Doug
PS - I'ed still love to have a lever action 10mm anyway.
Quote from: dakota1911 on July 29 2014 02:35:49 PM MDT
I would even be happy if S&W brought back the 610 and 310. O.K. maybe also added a 510.
Here's a response from S&W I got the other week asking about another run of the 610 and/or 310...
Dear Customer,
We have gotten quite a few requests regarding a 10mm revolver. I have forwarded each one to our management team so they can see what our customers are looking for. We haven't been updated as of yet if we will be making one but with all the requests we have gotten in it may be a possibility in the near future.
Sincerely,
Rachel
They gave basicly the same answer for the M&P10mm some years back... ::)
Quote from: The_Shadow on August 21 2014 12:54:00 PM MDT
They gave basicly the same answer for the M&P10mm some years back... ::)
A person gotta have hope... ;D
K.
QuoteA person gotta have hope... ;D
K.
I hear ya! If we don't let them know, they never will! :'(
Yeah, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to do it.......................if they EVER do it.
Converting a 357 Magnum revolver to 10mm is a step down in power and doesn't make much sense unless you really got to have a 10mm revolver and you can't find a S&W 610.
Quote from: wadcutter on September 12 2014 11:07:25 AM MDT
Converting a 357 Magnum revolver to 10mm is a step down in power and doesn't make much sense
It is generally pretty well accepted around here that the two are on parity.
To validate this I conducted the following statistical exercise. I pulled from Handloads.org the best reported velocity based on mfg data, not guest, for 357 bullet weights 110,125,140,158,170,180,200. I also compiled a list for 10mm for bullet weights 135,145,155,165,175,180,190,200,220) There were impressively fast, especially compared to 10mm data.
But, checking a couple mfg websites I found that the 357 data was based on a 10" test barrel, where the 10mm was based on a 5" test barrel.
I then visited ballistics by the inch and averaged a loss of 200 fps from 10" to a 5" barrel in 357 magnum. So, I subtracted 200 fps from each 357 mag speed.
I also felt that 10mm load data lacks the depth and maturity that 357 data does, so I audited the speeds against Underwood, and bumped the speed when Underwood offered a faster load. I did the same for 357 mag data. Underwood tests using a 6" barrel, but I just gave the 357 the benefit there, rather than handicapping it down. I also only bumped 357 speeds up, not down.
Then I ran an average of the muzzle energy for these loads. 357 Mag avg was 700.57 and the 10mm average was 700.14.
I would further note that I left in an obviously lame 175 grain velocity of 1285 for 10mm. This falls between a 1300 fps 180 gr velocity and a 1400 fps 165 grain velocity. Bumping this to where it should be would boost the 10mm average a few ft-lbs.
The 357 does have better sectional density, and so would penetrate better in a non-deforming bullet. On the other hand, the 10mm is bigger around and will make a better hole if an expanding bullet didn't.
The 357 Mag is a great round, and definitly a powerhouse. But ballistically it is a twin of the 10mm based on apples to apples data comparisons.
All that said, I tend to agree that the conversion is not the best investment. Since the 357 is it's twin, just stick with the original chambering.
I also did a little comparison to the 357 and have used the same loads in the 10mm with in many cases the same velocities.
The 357 mag casing is longer but the 10mm is larger in diameter...
357Mag 180gr Sil Gas Check over Blue Dot 11.0grs @ 1320 fps
10mm 180 XTP JHP over Blue Dot 11.0grs @ 1300 fps
Revolver 6 rounds
Glock 29 11 rounds
Glock 20 16 rounds
Wondering if it is possible to rechamber the Charter Arms in .40 to 10mm. I have not been able to come across dimensions for the cylinder.
Personally, I won't be loading for less than 150gr. If it is a 4 inch barrel or longer, not likely to load less than 180gr.
Just comparing, BOOK reload data from Hornady (it was at hand),
.357 8" barrel 10mm 5" barrel
155/8gr XTP (.358 '158gr' w/SD:.177 BC:206 1400fps) (10mm '155gr' w/SD:.138 BC:.137 1450fps)
180gr XTP (.357 w/SD:.202 BC:.230 1150fps)(10mm w/SD:.161 BC:.164 1250fps)
200gr XTP (.357 NOT LISTED) (10mm w/SD:.179 BC:.199 1150FPS)
I think the 10mm would do very well out of a Snubby, even better than the .357.
I checked the Charter. Same frame as the 44 special, which has a significantly longer COAL than the 10mm. I think it would be the easiest conversion out there. Especially since I own a 10mm finish reamer :-)
Don't know what made me think of this and maybe a bad idea.
Perhaps, we should "bug " a distributor like Davidson. Someone posted on another forum that he had never heard of a gp 100 w/ a 5 " barrel and a responder replied that he had one and Davidsons had Ruger to make a special run of the 100 w a 5" barrel and I think he said Ruger made 500.
I think it was Accurate Sports that had Colt to make a special run of 750 Elite 9 on the 1911 platform. This was in the 80"s.
I know that both of these were variations of a model already in production but how difficult would it be to make the 100 in 10 mm as the bore and cylinder would only be .003 larger. If it would handle the .357, I am thinking that in terms of pressure the 100 would handle the 10 MM.
Maybe my math is screwy, but I think it would be .042" or so larger, not .003".
But you are right, the GP100 should take it just fine. Several custom shops will build you a 10mm GP 100 for enough lettuce.
Now, would Ruger make a run? Hard to say. They would have to stand behind them and they may not think it is durable enough.
Yep 0.043" difference
0.4000"
-0.3570"
0.0430"
I rather see a 40-10 Ruger LCR, have it in 22M and 357 Mag and its a nice gun.
Now I feel like an idiot! In addition to having difficulties with attachments, it looks like i can't add! I'm 73, can I blame it on a senior moment?
I'll probably be remembered now not by the quality of my postings but by my errors and difficulties.
Hey Jimmy, Don't beat yourself up over it, it show that you are human! Anyone and everyone can make a mistake!
There are things we used to know, that we have forgotten about, they say "if you don't use it, you lose it" ::)
Quote from: The_Shadow on October 29 2014 07:56:30 PM MDT
Yep 0.043" difference
0.4000"
-0.3570"
0.0430"
Actually, for bore I think it is .392 for 10mm and .350 for 357 mag. The above are the groove diameters.
Well yea, if you want to put it that way... 8)
Ruger offered the Redhawk in .41 Mag if you can find one.
I agree on the Charter Arms and I have inquiries at a couple of local LGS that carry/order Charter. Currently supplies are limited/unavailable.
I also messaged S&W a while back.
I wonder if they forwarded my request too!
Quote from: Pinsnscrews on October 31 2014 02:25:06 PM MDT
Ruger offered the Redhawk in .41 Mag if you can find one.
I agree on the Charter Arms and I have inquiries at a couple of local LGS that carry/order Charter. Currently supplies are limited/unavailable.
Nice caliber, but extremely hard to find reloading components for. .40cal/10 mm has so many bullet and powder variations.
I would love to see one that is 10mm magnum / 10mm auto
similar to the way that the gp100 is 357mag / 38 special.
Just because what could be better than 10mm? 10mm with more powder!
Bruno, short of using Moonclips, both the Auto and Magnum headspace off the case mouth. If you dropped an Auto into the Magnum cylinder, the Auto would keep going until it reached Magnum depth. The .38/.357 gets away with it due to them head spacing off the rim.
Pinscrews nailed it.
But, with moon clips, it would handle 40 S&W, 10mm Auto and 10mm Mag. :D
Quote from: sqlbullet on February 06 2015 08:11:38 AM MST
Pinscrews nailed it.
But, with moon clips, it would handle 40 S&W, 10mm Auto and 10mm Mag. :D
I was fully expecting to need moon clips, they are like speedloaders but you dont have to pull them off!
And yes it would be freaking sweet to have a revolver that shot .40 10mm and 10mm magnum!
I would like to have the Ruger Blackhawk in 38-40 and 10mm. If I didn't have such a long list of other "wants" ahead of that one I'd pick one up.
Quote from: Bruno747 on January 19 2015 03:51:38 PM MST
I would love to see one that is 10mm magnum / 10mm auto
similar to the way that the gp100 is 357mag / 38 special.
Just because what could be better than 10mm? 10mm with more powder!
Well, there are many that will do 10mm/.40 cal S&W.
The GP100 will not do 10mm Mag, that is a little to much for the conversion guns per Mr Clements. You would have to get a S&W 610 and ream the cylinder.
A friend and I just sent off a couple of Ruger GP100s to Mr. Clements about a week ago. We bought a couple of the adjustable sight, 3 inch .38 Specials to send to him. They are going to have his slab-side barrel treatment. I plan to put these grips on mine: (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/pacecars/GP100%20grips_zpsn1dcxirf.png) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/pacecars/media/GP100%20grips_zpsn1dcxirf.png.html)
Quote from: The_Shadow on August 21 2014 12:54:00 PM MDT
They gave basicly the same answer for the M&P10mm some years back... ::)
An every single time I send them a message about a MP 10mm, they give me the same answer. It's only been like 10 years since I have been emailing them once a month. I even tried the M&P 10th anniversary 10mm and got the same answer.
I now have a GP-100 at Mr. Clements shop. I arranged to have the gun broker dealer ship it directly to him. Hopefully I'll have it in hand by this time next year.
My GP-100 conversion is on its way to my FFL. I'll post pics of it next week.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/mtpys/Guns/image.jpeg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/mtpys/media/Guns/image.jpeg.html)
WOW. Where is the drool and slobber emoticon? :o :D ;D 8) :-* :)) Can we be buddies? :)) ;)
VERY NICE. I should probably read, but ballpark what did that set you back?
Quote from: Pablo on February 02 2016 04:50:17 AM MST
WOW. Where is the drool and slobber emoticon? :o :D ;D 8) :-* :)) Can we be buddies? :)) ;)
VERY NICE. I should probably read, but ballpark what did that set you back?
Pablo, Si mi amigo! Hermanos para siempre.
$1,100 not including the revolver.
Given the going price of GP100's, on Gunbroker, that would make about 1600-1700 fully baked.
Very nice gun! ¡me gusta mucho!
Sí de hecho
Nice
See living in California for 41 years I did learn some Espanol.
Gracias mi Hermannos.
That's the stuff! a minimum of 6" barrel for the 10mm so that regular loads will steam out the barrel at speeds that will handle most of the game found in the "lower 48". While it may not be sufficient for elk or moose, the rest of the "medium-sized" game should be trembling in fear. (200 grain loads at 1300 fps should work up to 35 yards distant).
Picked mine up the other day. Here is a crappy cell phone pic in the mean time. The action job was definitely worth it.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/pacecars/image_zpsopecija2.jpeg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/pacecars/media/image_zpsopecija2.jpeg.html)
Looks familiar 😃 What barrel length is that?
It is a 3 inch barrel
I had mine done on a 4" barrel, would of loved a 5" gun but could not put my hands on one. They do look good though dont they?
Quote from: Smee78 on March 23 2016 04:15:58 PM MDT
I had mine done on a 4" barrel, would of loved a 5" gun but could not put my hands on one. They do look good though dont they?
Then I am truly greedy. I want a 6". Both my 357 mag revolvers have 6" barrels.....although My Dan Wesson also has a 2 1/2", 4 ", 6 ", 8" without a scope mount, another 8 " with a scope mount, and a 15" that will take a scope.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/Untitled.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Gandog56/7fc5d237-4169-459a-b273-65452ddd058f_zpsf9671f79.jpg)
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Quote from: Smee78 on February 24 2014 01:57:57 PM MST
I would be first in line to get a Marlin 1894 in 10mm, I love a 10mm & lever guns so it would be great. Hows that Mec-Tec upper working out for ya? I love my 1911 45acp Mec-Tec and bet its a ball in 10mm, do they fit on a G21SF lower?
Winchester at one time had a 400 Winchester on the drawing board.... in the late 80's ..for their 94 Big Bore .. which was chambered in 307 Win ,356 Win ,375 Win & 444 Marlin ... The 400 Winchester was going to be a straight walled cartridge with a .400 dia bullet ...at the same length of the 375 Win and operating pressure of 52,000 CUP ..
Now that Marlin is owned by Remington.. I doubt that they will be any new chambering... also the Rossi Leverguns are much better than the Remington/Marlins
I would think Henry would be more up to a 10mm .... They recently came out with a 327 mag levergun...
But I feel the 41 Mag would be next for Henry
I was trying to trade a Ruger .44 magnum Superblackhawk to a local guy for a GP-100 he had up for trade so I could maybe convert it to 10mm. He said he didn't want no .44 mag, it hurt his wrist!
Frigging pansy!
Henry did come out with a 41 mag Big Boy Steel. I also would like to see one in 10mm.
Just got my GP100 back from Clements on Friday.
Had the conversion, action job and fiber optic front sight post installed.
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Looks awesome! That is on my wish list.
Wow, really nice!
Quote from: DenStinett on January 26 2014 09:17:36 PM MST
Quote from: Hairtrigger on April 26 2013 05:16:16 AM MDT
Quote from: DenStinett on April 16 2013 08:35:01 PM MDT
Quote from: silverback on January 19 2013 11:06:08 AM MST
......a gp100's in 10 mm oh yeah and rossi a 10 mm lever gun. OH yeah!!!! now were talking!!!!
Yeah, that would be nice
I think a Redhawk and a Deerfirld Carbine in 10mm would be nice too
I personally would never buy a Rossi
Instead of a Deerfield, why not just buy a Mech Tech?
I have my MechTech
A nice MG20....runs flawlessly with its 20 Round Mags
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/denstinettm14/MG20-M4_zps0701498d.jpg)
Can't remember now, but I did read somewhere the Marlin is thinking of offering the 1894 in 10mm
As I said, I don't remember where I read it, but it would be nice too
I also use a MechTech 10mm (glock). It is not reliable with cast bullets, but with jacketed or plated slugs it is very reliable. 50yd groups are approx 1.5" and with the 16" bbl energy levels are in the 1000 ft/lbs level. Plenty for deer out to 100+ yds.
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Ehhhh, I cheated. I just got one of the new Ruger Super Redhawk 10mm revolvers.
(https://ruger.com/products/superRedhawkStandard/images/5524.jpg)
And there it is :D
Hopefully they roll out a regular old GP100 10mm too!
https://ruger.com/products/gp100MatchChampion/specSheets/1775.html (https://ruger.com/products/gp100MatchChampion/specSheets/1775.html)
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/4/27/tested-ruger-gp100-match-champion-10-mm-revolver/ (https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/4/27/tested-ruger-gp100-match-champion-10-mm-revolver/)
Quote from: Sobrbiker on April 27 2018 08:50:36 PM MDT
And there it is :D
Hopefully they roll out a regular old GP100 10mm too!
https://ruger.com/products/gp100MatchChampion/specSheets/1775.html (https://ruger.com/products/gp100MatchChampion/specSheets/1775.html)
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/4/27/tested-ruger-gp100-match-champion-10-mm-revolver/ (https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/4/27/tested-ruger-gp100-match-champion-10-mm-revolver/)
Pablo. Calm down!