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General => Gunsmithing => Topic started by: P33v3 on January 09 2013 06:15:24 PM MST

Title: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: P33v3 on January 09 2013 06:15:24 PM MST
So I still haven't taken the new Witness to the range. I'm "getting it ready" though. I bought a 13lbs hammer spring, a new firing pin spring, and hogue grips. I also bought a 22lbs Wolff recoil spring, the problems is I find it a bit stout to rack the slide and know my wife could never do it. So my questions are:

- Is the 22lbs spring necessary if I plan to fire mostly standard low pressure practice rounds but carry full load (Atomic 180 gr JHPs, Winchester STHP) 10mm with an occasional grouping of that to ensure I know where those rounds would hit? Is the stock spring sufficient  under those circumstances?

- What other recommended upgrades should I do to it?
Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: sqlbullet on January 10 2013 08:09:05 AM MST
I would go the other direction with the hammer spring.  This is the first place where the intertia of the fired round gets eaten up.  I know, on double action it will increase the trigger pull, but for full power loads, a heavy hammer spring eats up recoil energy without the downsides associated with a heavier mainspring, such as difficulty in working the action and frame abuse when the slide returns to battery.

I would return the factory 16 lb hammer spring, get the Hennings flat bottom firing pin stop and go with a 16-18 lbs recoil spring.  Then give the firing mechanism a good fluff and buff (http://www.savvysurvivor.com/tanfoglio_witness_gunsmithing.htm).  You will probably end up with a similar trigger feel if not measured weight by all the polishing, a better set up for dealing will full power loads, and an action you can operate without vice grips.
Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: P33v3 on January 10 2013 12:59:38 PM MST
Thanks for the suggestions. What about a slightly heavier firing pin spring? Good idea or bad? I was looking around Hennings for the Hennings flat bottom firing pin stop but don't see it. Is there a direct link or am I missing it?
Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: sqlbullet on January 10 2013 01:52:17 PM MST
You might have to call him.  I have flat bottom stops in all my 1911's but haven't gotten around to one in my Witness guns yet.  Intercooler used to have details and I think was one of the guys that convinced Henning to start making them.

Firing-pin spring I think is fine in it's stock form.
Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: Intercooler on February 10 2013 12:20:52 PM MST
For sure get the firing pin block for a Witness pistol. While placing the order get the cone guide-rod too. Well worth it!
Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: jessie james 58 on March 23 2013 11:06:26 AM MDT
I have gone to just the Wollf 20 pound recoil springs in my 2 EAA Witness 10MM. It worked great, the racking is a little stiffer, but the brass only flies about 4 feet away it also softens the felt recoil.
Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: Mike_Fontenot on March 27 2013 02:42:01 PM MDT
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 10 2013 08:09:05 AM MST
[...], get the Hennings flat bottom firing pin stop and [...]

Do you prefer the Henning's fbfps to the EGW fbfps, and if so, why?
Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: Intercooler on March 27 2013 06:23:36 PM MDT
EGW never did an EAA piece unless it's something new. I begged Henning to make these.
Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: sqlbullet on March 29 2013 11:15:43 AM MDT
Yeah...Like IC said, if you want one for a Witness, Hennings is the only game...Unless you are patient with a file.
Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: Mike_Fontenot on March 29 2013 01:37:34 PM MDT
Quote from: sqlbullet on March 29 2013 11:15:43 AM MDT
Yeah...Like IC said, if you want one for a Witness, Hennings is the only game...Unless you are patient with a file.

OK, I thought you preferred them in general (including, for 1911's).  Does Henning also make one for a 1911 (Series II)?  If so, does he put the small radius on it, or is the bottom flat (and left to the installer to radius)?  The fps (an EGW "oversized") that my gunsmith installed on my Kimber Eclipse (which came flat, and was radiused by my gunsmith) seems to be a bit thicker that the standard fps ... a bit less of the firing pin protrudes aft of the fps.

Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: Intercooler on March 29 2013 03:58:27 PM MDT
Henning's are a direct-fit. I didn't have to touch a thing other than installing it with no filing, etc...

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Title: Re: EAA Witness Upgrades Recoil Spring question
Post by: Intercooler on March 29 2013 04:01:57 PM MDT
Should for sure order the Cone rod too while ordering. Makes the Witness even more of a tank and if you read Henning's real life experience and look at the part it will be crystal clear.

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