I had my fun with the power of the 10mm and the 9x25 Dillon as well with the 40sw. Say hello to my new (to me)...
Beretta PX4 Storm type F 9mm:
(https://s25.postimg.cc/3t62xatz3/IMG_20180820_114512.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/w61knrfp7/)
I bought it used at my local range for $400 with the original box and two 17 rnd mags. Looks and feels in excellent shape. Got a free shooting session with it, I got a year to use it (once).
I had one in .45ACP and sold it for a Witness. It was okay, but don't really miss it and they caution against +P rounds.
Really? It can't handle +P rounds? It's loaded with Uw 9mm+P 124 XTP.
That was their claim.
I recently bought a LEO trade in PX4 in .40 S&W. mine is the double action only model.( type C) I have been shooting the hell out of it with my full power reloads and it has yet to have a malfunction. the only caution I have heard about them is to keep them clean. especially the rotating barrel channel.
I found a manual online and it says that a steady diet of +P will wear the gun faster. I guess for carry it is ok.
I ordered some Fenix 9mm ammo, a box of FMJ and a box of Gold Dot. The GD are loaded really hot.
You didn't trade your 10mm off didja?!? :o
That looks like a neat little 9mm.
No, I sold it. ;D
So, somehow you are limited to one caliber, one pistol????
Quote from: Pablo on August 21 2018 04:28:03 AM MDT
So, somehow you are limited to one caliber, one pistol????
RIGHT!?! To each their own but no monogamy obligations with firearms!
I had only one pistol all the time.
So, I am certainly no pistol monogamist. But, I can see the point of having a limit. I have far to many handguns that never get carried or shot. Right now it is needed for two reasons.
First, I want my children to be able to shoot and be proficient with several different actions, platforms, etc. So having a selection of revolvers (SA and DA) and auto's (SA, DA/SA, striker) makes sense. This gives them a good idea what they want in a handgun when they turn 18. And they get to pick one as a present at that age, so the numbers will go down with time.
Second, I teach both NRA Pistol and Utah CFP. Having a good representation of platforms is a benefit there, though students don't get to pick a gun to keep like my kids do! :P
Before I became an instructor and thought through what it would take to teach my own family, as well as others, I kept it pretty limited. And those guns all got (and still get) used regularly. But, they were all 10's... :))
I'm on assistance so I'm on a budget. I'd have to save up to buy things. I sell things to build a fund. Lots of buyers are nothing but flakes, cheap asses who wants something for nothing.
I quit playing guitar years ago and I still haven't sold my guitar and amp. They're both NOS and my price is very reasonable. I even have a retro gaming console I've built with quality parts and it's not moving.
The guy who bought my 10mm stuff knows it's a deal he got. He appreciated it and went away happy as lark. I loved my G29 but I'm getting too old for it.
I just got back from the range with my Beretta and it's a sweetie. Very accurate and easy to shoot. I don't miss the 10mm.
Quote from: Olgo on August 21 2018 10:53:22 AM MDT
Lots of buyers are nothing but flakes, cheap asses who wants something for nothing.
My favorite is they guys who text you to "hold" it until they can get there in three days so they can "check it out".
Sorry..No I won't turn away someone with cash so you can "check it out" later.
Quote from: Olgo on August 21 2018 10:53:22 AM MDT
I just got back from the range with my Beretta and it's a sweetie. Very accurate and easy to shoot.
Congratulations on the new acquisition Olgo!
Happy shooting!
Regards,
Excellent, I hope you have a lot of fun shooting it, as well as feel proficient carrying it. We only go around once (so they say) so carry and shoot what you enjoy! As long as you are shooting you are having fun.
I love my 10mm but lets face it they are a money pit. Ammo is expensive and your once fired brass landed in the next county. :o
I own several 9mm pistols and that's where it is these days for ammo development and cheap training ammo. They are easy to shoot and maintain.
I hear you Rick. Another reason to say goodbye to the 10mm. My brother got a 38sp S&W and he comes by and treat me to a session at the range. 10mm cost twice as much as the 9mm and rough to shoot.
I bought it for carry and not range fodder. Getting older is one other reason. Sure love that power though. I can always get another 10mm in the future who knows. I kept the Fenix 10mm ammo.
Quote from: Olgo on August 20 2018 08:04:17 PM MDT
No, I sold it. ;D
BOOOOOOOOOOO! Because you didn't sell it to ME!
Quote from: Olgo on August 21 2018 08:17:22 PM MDT
Quote from: gandog56 on August 21 2018 07:58:33 PM MDT
Quote from: Olgo on August 20 2018 08:04:17 PM MDT
No, I sold it. ;D
BOOOOOOOOOOO! Because you didn't sell it to ME!
Apparently you didn't see my ad here.
Nope, but to your gripe about the ammo cost....Not if you reload them like I do. Components easy, abundant, and almost as cheap as 9mm, except hang on to your empty cases!
No room here for reloading. :(
Well...me too! I 'retired' my Tagfolio Witness Polymer 10 and bought another S&W M&P, this time my FIRST Wimpy9. See
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/567949-another-m-p-9-plus-federal-hsts-expanded.html
The super-reliable-and-easy-handling Tanfoglio--and lots of ammo--will be for sale soon. E-mail me at jeffreybehr(at)cox(dot)net if you're at all interested. I'm in Phoenix, AZ.
Sad to see you getting out of the 10mm Jeffrey, I really enjoyed your pictures of the ammo testing you used to do.
Maybe we will see some 9mm stuff...
I can understand that Jeffrey. We can't shoot cannons forever. :(
The PX4 I got is a sweet pistol. I replaced the recoil and hammer springs to handle +P and better trigger pull.
I also got a 20 rnd mag. :o
If l felt the need to shoot a simpler round like a nine, l would break out my SIG P-229 with be 357SIG barrel and let fly some warp nine 124 grains.
That's nothing compared to the 9x25 Dillon I had. Now that's a warp 9. :o
Yep, 9's are a blast to be sure, and extremely economical, Enjoy!
Quote from: Olgo on August 20 2018 05:34:00 PM MDT
Really? It can't handle +P rounds? It's loaded with Uw 9mm+P 124 XTP.
He's right, they advise against hot rounds. I've shot a few of those. Glad you like it.....but your have to pay me to take it from you lol
Olgo, this is so sad. You were my inspiration when I was looking to get my 29SF!
I do want another 9x19 myself. I want a Gen5 19. I've got a G43 Talo edition and my ole trusty Ruger P93. That old Ruger will feed any dirty ammo you throw at it I think you could drop rocks in and lead would leave the barrel and brass out the slide lol
Hey OK long time no see. :)
Yeah, it got to where the 10mm is too much for me and for trips to the range with my brother it gets expensive. Anyway I wanted a 9mm and I didn't have one. All the 9s I had are gone. I really like the Beretta PX4 I got. Great shooter and for carry it's loaded with Fenix 9mm 124 FXP.
Pretty hot round and interesting that it uses Shellshock casings and Gold Dot bullets.
Quote from: Olgo on October 23 2018 02:02:54 PM MDT
Hey OK long time no see. :)
Yeah, it got to where the 10mm is too much for me and for trips to the range with my brother it gets expensive. Anyway I wanted a 9mm and I didn't have one. All the 9s I had are gone. I really like the Beretta PX4 I got. Great shooter and for carry it's loaded with Fenix 9mm 124 FXP.
Pretty hot round and interesting that it uses Shellshock casings and Gold Dot bullets.
The 124 grain Gold Dot is probably the most consistent performer ever in 9mm.
Then I got the right ammo. (now where's that dancing emoji?)
Quote from: Olgo on October 24 2018 03:18:43 PM MDT
Then I got the right ammo. (now where's that dancing emoji?)
Last tests I looked at, the 124 +p factory Gold Dot expanded to like 0.60" consistently, and penetration was 14"-16" and that was from an M&PC.
Just avoid the 147gr in 9mm. For some reason they arent consistent at all. Personally I think you should use the Federal 147 +P HST's. You can get them in 50 round boxes, for very nice prices. Dont get me wrong, I've always been a die hard Gold Dot user, but the HST is on another level of perfect.
Here you go Olgo. Here is the 147 standard pressure. $27 for 50 rounds. The +P is out of stock.
https://www.sgammo.com/product/federal-ammo-sale/50-round-box-9mm-luger-federal-hst-147-grain-hollow-point-le-ammo-p9hst2
I always get my LGS to order them so I dont have to pay shipping.
HST is another one of the best. The heaviest I'd go is the 135 for the 9mm. The 147 has the OAL that may not work in some guns. I don't know if mine is one of them. It has a small opening.
That's a very attractive price for a box of 50. I paid $30 for a box of 50 at Fenix and they are a hot 124 Gold Dot.
Quote from: Olgo on October 24 2018 09:56:47 PM MDT
HST is another one of the best. The heaviest I'd go is the 135 for the 9mm. The 147 has the OAL that may not work in some guns. I don't know if mine is one of them. It has a small opening.
That's a very attractive price for a box of 50. I paid $30 for a box of 50 at Fenix and they are a hot 124 Gold Dot.
I looked up Fenix. Dang now I've got to order some! $40 for 50 rounds of 10mm Gold Dots. That's a smoking price! 1375 fps too. I wonder what they chrono from a G29?
Fenix replied to me. They use a 5.75" barrel for 10mm velocity, so that sucks. They said I should expect 1325-1350 from a Glock 20. So that would be 1275 or so from a G29.
For 180 grain slug that's a blazing 650 foot pounds out of the G29. That pistol'll be a hard hitting SOB! :-X
Quote from: Olgo on October 25 2018 07:20:46 AM MDT
For 180 grain slug that's a blazing 650 foot pounds out of the G29. That pistol'll be a hard hitting SOB! :-X
I've been thinking the same as you though. I want another Glock 19. Might get me a Gen5. It will be that or a Sig P320.
I've been carrying the Hornady Critical Duty 175 grain in my Glock 29. Reason being, in all the tests I've seen they expand marvelously even through barriers when tested in the Glock 22. I cant find any CD tests from the G29, but my 29 shoots them a little faster than a G22 does, and it's the same bullet. So I kind of have a G29 gel test dont I?
What I'm getting at, is Olgo, check out the newer 124 +P Critical Duty. The original 135 trainers didn't perform well if it wasnt fired from something like a G17 (4.5" barrel or more). They solved those issues with this 124. It isn't the fastest thing out there, but they are consistent and make a purdy flower.
Here is Hornadys in house test of the 124.
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Here's the video I made when I replaced the recoil spring and the hammer spring. Stronger recoil spring to handle hot +P and +P+ ammo. The hammer spring for softer trigger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdVqq7Iwg9k
By the way, I just remembered that I kept the box of Fenix 10mm 180 FXP. That's in case I get another 10mm. Yeah OK, I may get another one but it'll be the full size.
Quote from: Overkill338 on October 25 2018 05:58:29 AM MDT
Fenix replied to me. They use a 5.75" barrel for 10mm velocity, so that sucks. They said I should expect 1325-1350 from a Glock 20. So that would be 1275 or so from a G29.
I wonder what they would do in my TNW Aero Survival Rifle with its 16 inch barrel?
(https://i.imgur.com/Maf8r69.jpg)
It'd be friggin mean. :o
I had a HiPoint 40sw carbine and the 40s hit hard.
Quote from: gandog56 on November 07 2018 07:39:06 AM MST
Quote from: Overkill338 on October 25 2018 05:58:29 AM MDT
Fenix replied to me. They use a 5.75" barrel for 10mm velocity, so that sucks. They said I should expect 1325-1350 from a Glock 20. So that would be 1275 or so from a G29.
I wonder what they would do in my TNW Aero Survival Rifle with its 16 inch barrel?
(https://i.imgur.com/Maf8r69.jpg)
That would smack a deer down hard.
I see 900+ pounds of energy out of a rifle. :o
I don't get 10mm vs 9mm, my answer is "both". But if reloading is not in the equation, I wouldn't bother with 10mm. Each winter I reload a 50cal ammo can each of 9mm, 40sw, and 10mm. The cost difference is minimal. I have a home range where brass recovery is a non issue.