Brand new five inch model. I stripped her down, oiled her up with CLP, and took her to the range.
Ammo was:
50 rounds SIG 180 grain FMJ at 1,250 fps
25 rounds AA #5 with 180 grains Hornady FMJ (published 1100 +)
25 rounds AA #9 with same bullet (published 1250)
About every fifth or sixth round wouldn't quite chamber all the way, leaving the slide back about 1/4 inch. This was true with handloads as well as factory stuff. I tried three different magazines (two Sprg., one Mec-gar) and mags had no effect.
I'm thinking the extractor needs tuning? Maybe try another 100 rounds, or send it straight back to Springfield?
Very disappointing. Operators ain't cheap.
Description sounds like a classic three point failure.
This can be a result of a really messy extractor, insufficient lock time at the rear of slide travel, or a poorly fit barrel link.
I always try to fix it because I don't wanna hassle with RMA, and always end up wishing I had just sent it back.
Also, sorry to hear your new gun is sick.
bummer!! nothing worse than a factory defect.
Sorry to hear that Univibe. Hope you get it resolved soon. Keep us posted,
It's always a bummer when something that costly doesn't work perfectly right out of the box. If it's an extractor problem, it's easily diagnosed. First, where does it throw the empties? Buzzing them backwards past your head, or almost forward with brass marks where they hit the slide behind the ejection port, is a sign it's too tight. Not allowing the slide to close is a sign of a really sloppy extractor that's too loose, but you should have other problems, like poor ejection and feeding. Check that the extractor isn't clocking, as well. Tuning an extractor is really easy. There are many good videos on the subject.
I really think you just need more break in time with this one. If you're using new mags, load them and let them sit overnight, at least. I would shoot at least 200-300rnds before sending it back. Almost all decent 1911s are much tighter than JMBs original design. I would bet your problems go away after another 100-200 rounds. If not, you can always send it back and dismiss any break in argument Springfield can make.
FWIW, my best guess is that if there is a real problem, the chamber may be a little tight.
Best of luck with this! I really hope this gun works out to your expectations.
Update:
Gun Shop where I acquired it has agreed to look at it and fix it. (Rare in the firearms industry!) We'll see.
As long as they'll deal with it if Springfield doesn't want to in the event they fiddle with it and it still malfunctions.
If I spent that kinda money on a new one I'd suck up tge patience and return it to the mothership.
Range report: second trip to range.
After a thorough cleaning and lots and lots of CLP, I took it back to the range.
Ammo was:
SIG 180 grains FMJ at published 1250 fps
Handload 180 grain Hornady FMJ over 13.0 grains AA #9
I shot another 100 rounds. Whereas during the first trip I had a fail to fully chamber about every six rounds, this time there were only a few bobbles the first fifty, and if I recall correctly, only one problema during the final fifty.
I'm thinking it's a break-in issue. That Operator is tight as a bank vault.
What do y'all 10mm experts think? Scrub, oil and try another hundred before I send it back to Sprg?
If it seems to be improving (which it does) then I would certainly spend the time for another trip. The break-in in a Kahr is like that. They tell you right in the manual to do (??) 250 or so rounds.
Quote from: Univibe on June 04 2018 03:07:56 PM MDT
Range report: second trip to range.
After a thorough cleaning and lots and lots of CLP, I took it back to the range.
Ammo was:
SIG 180 grains FMJ at published 1250 fps
Handload 180 grain Hornady FMJ over 13.0 grains AA #9
I shot another 100 rounds. Whereas during the first trip I had a fail to fully chamber about every six rounds, this time there were only a few bobbles the first fifty, and if I recall correctly, only one problema during the final fifty.
I'm thinking it's a break-in issue. That Operator is tight as a bank vault.
What do y'all 10mm experts think? Scrub, oil and try another hundred before I send it back to Sprg?
Yes, yes, and did I mention, Yes! You're just starting to wear the finish off of the high spots on the rails. Light oil and another couple hundred rounds will most likely have it running like the fine machine that it is.
Please post and let us know how this works out.
I'd shoot it some more before I sent it anywhere...
I bought a Les Baer 1911 a few years ago...$2,200... It gave trouble right out of the box, I called and actually spoke to Les himself... He said keep shooting it, it'll sort itself out within 200 rounds.
I did... And it did sort itself out... That gun later went a counted 12,000 rounds without a single failure.
I still have it, but stopped counting... Don't shoot it much anymore though.
Shoot 500 and report back (or to Springfield).
Kimber used to not even give an RMA for cycling issues if people hadn't shot 500 rds yet.
Quote from: Univibe on May 29 2018 03:06:43 PM MDT
Brand new five inch model. I stripped her down, oiled her up with CLP, and took her to the range.
Ammo was:
50 rounds SIG 180 grain FMJ at 1,250 fps
25 rounds AA #5 with 180 grains Hornady FMJ (published 1100 +)
25 rounds AA #9 with same bullet (published 1250)
About every fifth or sixth round wouldn't quite chamber all the way, leaving the slide back about 1/4 inch. This was true with handloads as well as factory stuff. I tried three different magazines (two Sprg., one Mec-gar) and mags had no effect.
I'm thinking the extractor needs tuning? Maybe try another 100 rounds, or send it straight back to Springfield?
Very disappointing. Operators ain't cheap.
I wonder if you had a possible case head separation and a section of the brass case was lodged in your chamber?
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I wonder if you had a possible case head separation and a section of the brass case was lodged in your chamber?
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No, there was no obstruction. And the second trip to the range, after a thorough cleaning and over-oiling, yielded better results (see above). I think it's getting broken in.
I was planning to go shoot another hundred this weekend, but the forecast is for "tropical rain." Probably go about the middle of next week. Same routine: clean it well, lube it up, try it out.
Quote from: Univibe on June 15 2018 03:39:52 PM MDT
I was planning to go shoot another hundred this weekend, but the forecast is for "tropical rain." Probably go about the middle of next week. Same routine: clean it well, lube it up, try it out.
You must be either in Texas or Southwest Louisiana...
I had an old 4" Springfield Champion model 1911 that did something similar to this when I fit a new barrel bushing to it and initially, it was a bit too tight...
More break-in time wouldn't hurt...
look at it this way, now you have an excuse to go shooting again...
;D
I'm tuning in for this because a 6" model is one I have been considering.
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Third range trip. Fail, fail fail. Buying any new firearm is like buying a lottery ticket. I'll see if Springfield will take it back. Maybe they can make it run.
Well, it sounds like you did your due diligence regarding break in. Please keep us updated on how Springfield treats you. I'm sure you spent some decent coin on this gun. You deserve one that works.
Sad to hear that at a premium price like these the gun didn't work. Eager to hear what Springfield does.
Today Sprg. sent me a prepaid shipping label, and they're paying for insurance as well. I'll sent it out tomorrow. We'll see what happens.
Such a bummer! Regardless of the manufacturer or product, it happens (some much more often than others). None the less, it still sucks.
I sincerely hope Springfield fixes the issue or makes it right for you!
Gun came back today. They did two things: they polished the feed ramp to a mirror finish, and they polished the underside of the slide where it contacts the round in the magazine.
Just looking at it, this doesn't appear to address the problem I had. I didn't have feed ramp jams at all; I had failure to fully go into battery.
On the other hand, the gun shows evidence of much test firing, not just a few rounds and call it a job.
So we'll go to the range next week, and see what happens. I don't depend on it for personal protection (no bears in the big city; nine is fine) but I would prefer that it be reliable.
Anything that causes drag from the moment the slide starts going back would be fair game to improve on. You'd be amazed how a little polishing can help mechanical components slide better against each other.
Quote from: Univibe on July 13 2018 01:16:59 PM MDT
Gun came back today. They did two things: they polished the feed ramp to a mirror finish, and they polished the underside of the slide where it contacts the round in the magazine.
Just looking at it, this doesn't appear to address the problem I had. I didn't have feed ramp jams at all; I had failure to fully go into battery.
On the other hand, the gun shows evidence of much test firing, not just a few rounds and call it a job.
So we'll go to the range next week, and see what happens. I don't depend on it for personal protection (no bears in the big city; nine is fine) but I would prefer that it be reliable.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. In particular the cusp where the feed ramp angles over into the chamber looks just a tiny bit radiused. Not enough to mess with the fully-supported aspect of the chamber, but enough to smooth it out a bit. And polishing the bottom of the slide will help it glide over the next round which, after all, is held against the bottom of the slide with considerable mag spring pressure. I'll take it to the range and wring it out.
Executive Summary: it works.
Got it back from Sprg. with a note that said they'd polished the underside of the slide, and polished the feed ramp. The gun showed evidence of much test firing.
I cleaned it thoroughly and oiled it up with CLP.
I fired about 50 rounds (180 grain Hornady FMJ-FP, 13.0 grains AA9, Starline brass) and it worked flawlessly. I'll take it out and shoot some more, but I think it's fixed.
All was done at no charge, and Springfield sprang for the shipping both ways.
Just wondering if you would be willing to post pics of the the area's they polished. I know I would be interested in seeing how much shine they put on those areas.
Quote from: sqlbullet on July 16 2018 04:12:49 PM MDT
Just wondering if you would be willing to post pics of the the area's they polished. I know I would be interested in seeing how much shine they put on those areas.
Sure, if I can figure out how to post a picture.
The underside of the slide was smoothed out to a satiny finish. The feed ramp looks like a curved mirror and will dazzle your eye if it catches the light.
Whatever they did, it did the trick, at least for the 50 rounds I have shot it so far.
When I first started out in 10mm, my choices were so few. Now it seems EVERYBODY is coming out with a new 10mm and I'm loving it. I think my total is now 7 10mm's including two carbines and a revolver. It's just wonderful, but I kind of wonder why the 10mm lay so dormant for a long time. When I first got one, there was like Glock, Colt Delta if you could find one, Dan Wesson made the Razorback and the Pointman (The Razorback was my first 10mm), and a used Bren 10 was scarcer than hen's teeth, and the magazines for one even rarer. Nobody made a carbine in 10mm at that time.
Now that I've shot this gun several times, with both factory ammo and various handloads, I am not impressed with accuracy. Seven yard groups look like buckshot patterns as big as a coffee saucer. For what these cost, it should be much better.
Wow, sorry to hear about your continued issues.
I've been away from the forum too long and obviously never had anything of value to post... Until this thread...Apparently your issue isn't an isolated one...My TRP 10mm has done this from day one... Mostly with MagTech 180 GR, but it will do it with S&B as well... As in your case, if I clean the crap out of it, then it works...for the first 50 rounds or so. Then the FTRB issues begin again..... I haven't bothered to send it back to Springfield (though I should have) so I keep it as my range gun only. I have a Rock Island TAC Ultra that eats everything (After replacing the slide stop with an Ed Brown) and runs with no issues...So its my EDC...
Agree 100% that at this price point this shouldn't be occurring. I even gave some thought to having the chamber reamed but it does pass the plunk test (however scientific that may be) so Ill wait for someone else to fight this battle.
Called Sprg customer service; they sent a free shipping label; she's going back tomorrow.
Hope you get it back and it runs like it should. Will be waiting to hear what they say.
This worries me as my buddy just picked one up last week..hasn't shot it yet
Man that's frustrating!!!! I've only had to send one gun back and it was a pain.
Those things are at the same price point as Dan Wesson which isn't exactly cheap. That sucks.
Sprg. is sending it back to me. Got a phone call from them: they test fired it, can't make it any more accurate.
They suggested that it was shooter error. I doubt it, considering that when I shoot my Smith 629 I make raggedy holes at 7 yards; the Operator makes four or five inch "patterns." And the cheapo
Brazilian Springfield 1911 in .45 ACP shoots much better groups than the Operator.
Maybe I should get a barrel and replace it myself?
Shooter error my azz. One well known company said this to my friend and range buddy.
Translated..."We cant figure out how to fix it, so we will go with operator error..." >:(
Impressive customer service..
You might consider getting a reamer for the chamber or having it done by a 'smith... If that doesn't work, then Id say new barrel would be the next step..
I said screw it and bought a Tanfoglio from IFG.
Shot it again today. Ammo was:
Sig 180 grain FMJ
RP 180 grain FMJ
180 grain hardcast over 13.0 grains AA9
Poor accuracy. They fixed the reliability problem but have given up on accuracy. I'm $1800 poorer but wiser.
I cannot recommend the TRP 10mm from Springfield. It's fun to shoot but won't hit anything.
Did your SA improve in the months?
Wish that I'd found this thread a week ago. I have a 6" TRP showin up tomorrow.