10mm-Auto

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I really like my XDS 45 for EDC but frankly I would prefer a Walther PPQ M2 in 10MM for a full size plasti-cool 10. I shoot those darn PPQ better than any weapon I own in the handgun form.

The pistol I shoot best is the Springfield XD Subcompact in 9mm. I have no idea why. I'm a BIG guy, 6'5" and hands that fit that frame. But still the sub is where I'm at.

Being a huge 10mm guy I'd love to see an XD in it.

My rant to Springfield:

QuoteWhere is that 10mm XD that so many have wanted?
https://www.facebook.com/SpringfieldArmoryUSA/posts/10155808566299425 (https://www.facebook.com/SpringfieldArmoryUSA/posts/10155808566299425)

Springfield sent this to me today...

QuoteIt's still in development Wade. Thank you for your interest in our products!

That doesn't sound promising.

So now we wait : )

  I'm just shocked! Someone with a little drive on YouTube creates his own and years into it Springfield can't develop it?  :o

Quote from: Intercooler on April 13 2018 07:38:31 AM MDT
  I'm just shocked! Someone with a little drive on YouTube creates his own and years into it Springfield can't develop it?  :o

It is disappointing but not unexpected (to me).

I have myself complained about 10mm versions costing more money.

But, that is a very real problem for Springfield with the XD.  None of the XD40 slides work on XD45 frames.  And while an XD45 slide might work in stock for for 10mm, there would be an increase in reliability issues.  So, they have tooling for a new slide.  They could use the same slide forging/castings as the XD45, but it would require new tooling for the breech face and for the extractor cuts.  Likewise, they have issues with tooling new barrels.

And then there are the testing processes, and dealing with the fact that the 10mm can produce 40% more energy than the most powerful round they currently chamber.  We all have dealt with guns that ran fine with Blazer 10mm loads, but not with Buffalo Bore or Underwood.  And vice versa.

And, all this R&D, tooling, and support costs is spread over a very small group of potential customers.  The 10mm TRP's are low hanging fruit.  The 1911 is a well established platform, there is no new tooling needed for the design.  It is just an off-the-shelf 1911 built buy a guy that knows how to fit a 10mm 1911.  And the price reflects the hand work that goes into it.

I would like to see a 10mm XD, but the reality is that is a hard cost model to make.

Not to be too off topic, but where's the CZ75 in 10mm? I know an EAA is a close clone, but why doesn't CZ make a real one?

Chuckled when I read this thread.

I still look back at the CEO's comments that the 10mm xdm was nearly done in February 2017 and just want to see someone slap him. Nearly done and over a year later they are still in development. I'm surprised Shadow got any response other than no news. If its still in development, it is probably a 2019 product at best at this point as it takes 6+ months to get a new handgun approved for import if I understand correctly.

Honestly best I can tell, all signs point to Springfield being Vltor 2.0 between the CEOs comments that haven't been backed up at all, that hs-produkt (who actually makes all the XD pistols) has said squat about 10mm, and the comments that Rob was sneaking in at shot show 2018 about how difficult it is to make 10mm reliable even in a 1911 platform.

I hope to see it but I am not holding my breath anymore just like the Sig p220 4.4" 10mm Sig said they were working on back before they released the 5" versions

I don't think that SA can tempt the gnomes at the factory in Croatia with enough cookies to build a 10mm XD.     :D
The impression I got from dealing with SA as an LEO armorer was that the Croatian side of the equation was pretty Olde World  about making changes. 

Well... Here we are almost mid-year and still vaporware!  :-X

Quote from: Intercooler on June 06 2018 05:20:11 PM MDT
Well... Here we are almost mid-year and still vaporware!  :-X

Vltor 2.0 I'm tellin ya!

Nearly 1.5 years on a nearly finished product. I reached out to Springfield just to annoy them some more. Hope to hear something positive back.

Not an XD but Springfield
https://grabagun.com/firearms/handguns-for-sale/semi-automatic-handguns-for-sale.html?caliber=2856&manufacturer=5965

I wasn't aware that they even made a 6" long slide in 10mm.

That's a sharp looking pistol : )

I don't see the need for redundant calibers in every pistol. I'd prefer new firearms specific to a caliber as we see in some of the Magnum revolvers. There's no need for an XD in 10mm because they already make an XD in 45 ACP and 9mm. I'd much rather Springfield come out with an entirely new platform for 10mm, maybe a target gun like the high end tanfoglios. 10mm is best for target shooters. Self defense and hunters are best served with 9mm or .45acp.

To each his own for sure, however I Love Whitetail hunting with my 10's, plus I've dropped 2 or 3 coyotes with them too, talk about making that dog roll 😂

Quote from: 45isKing on July 13 2018 03:20:02 PM MDT
I don't see the need for redundant calibers in every pistol. I'd prefer new firearms specific to a caliber as we see in some of the Magnum revolvers. There's no need for an XD in 10mm because they already make an XD in 45 ACP and 9mm. I'd much rather Springfield come out with an entirely new platform for 10mm, maybe a target gun like the high end tanfoglios. 10mm is best for target shooters. Self defense and hunters are best served with 9mm or .45acp.

This is just incorrect. While the 9mm and 45 acp have thieir strengths, neither are on the level of 10mm. You should look into the numbers.

Quote from: Patriot on July 13 2018 04:39:18 PM MDT

Quote from: 45isKing on July 13 2018 03:20:02 PM MDT
I don't see the need for redundant calibers in every pistol. I'd prefer new firearms specific to a caliber as we see in some of the Magnum revolvers. There's no need for an XD in 10mm because they already make an XD in 45 ACP and 9mm. I'd much rather Springfield come out with an entirely new platform for 10mm, maybe a target gun like the high end tanfoglios. 10mm is best for target shooters. Self defense and hunters are best served with 9mm or .45acp.

This is just incorrect. While the 9mm and 45 acp have thieir strengths, neither are on the level of 10mm. You should look into the numbers.

What does more damage? A freight train going 45 miles per hour or a bus going 60 mph? Obviously the train. The 45acp is a train, the 10mm is a bus. The 10mm is a flat shooter, good for professional shooters at organized events. There's a reason cops don't use it. Cops use .40, 9mm and .45acp. The reason is obvious to professional shooters like me. I shoot 10mm religiously in competition. Never for self defense, never for hunting. 45acp is just better hands down. I wouldn't shoot anything but 10mm for competition, but in self defense 9mm or 45acp all day.

Quote from: 45isKing on July 13 2018 04:47:18 PM MDT

Quote from: Patriot on July 13 2018 04:39:18 PM MDT

Quote from: 45isKing on July 13 2018 03:20:02 PM MDT
I don't see the need for redundant calibers in every pistol. I'd prefer new firearms specific to a caliber as we see in some of the Magnum revolvers. There's no need for an XD in 10mm because they already make an XD in 45 ACP and 9mm. I'd much rather Springfield come out with an entirely new platform for 10mm, maybe a target gun like the high end tanfoglios. 10mm is best for target shooters. Self defense and hunters are best served with 9mm or .45acp.

This is just incorrect. While the 9mm and 45 acp have thieir strengths, neither are on the level of 10mm. You should look into the numbers.

What does more damage? A freight train going 45 miles per hour or a bus going 60 mph? Obviously the train. The 45acp is a train, the 10mm is a bus. The 10mm is a flat shooter, good for professional shooters at organized events. There's a reason cops don't use it. Cops use .40, 9mm and .45acp. The reason is obvious to professional shooters like me. I shoot 10mm religiously in competition. Never for self defense, never for hunting. 45acp is just better hands down. I wouldn't shoot anything but 10mm for competition, but in self defense 9mm or 45acp all day.

Your analogy is flawed. A 10mm has the capability to be the train at 75mph.

Quote from: Patriot on July 13 2018 05:05:09 PM MDT

Quote from: 45isKing on July 13 2018 04:47:18 PM MDT

Quote from: Patriot on July 13 2018 04:39:18 PM MDT

Quote from: 45isKing on July 13 2018 03:20:02 PM MDT
I don't see the need for redundant calibers in every pistol. I'd prefer new firearms specific to a caliber as we see in some of the Magnum revolvers. There's no need for an XD in 10mm because they already make an XD in 45 ACP and 9mm. I'd much rather Springfield come out with an entirely new platform for 10mm, maybe a target gun like the high end tanfoglios. 10mm is best for target shooters. Self defense and hunters are best served with 9mm or .45acp.

This is just incorrect. While the 9mm and 45 acp have thieir strengths, neither are on the level of 10mm. You should look into the numbers.

What does more damage? A freight train going 45 miles per hour or a bus going 60 mph? Obviously the train. The 45acp is a train, the 10mm is a bus. The 10mm is a flat shooter, good for professional shooters at organized events. There's a reason cops don't use it. Cops use .40, 9mm and .45acp. The reason is obvious to professional shooters like me. I shoot 10mm religiously in competition. Never for self defense, never for hunting. 45acp is just better hands down. I wouldn't shoot anything but 10mm for competition, but in self defense 9mm or 45acp all day.

Your analogy is flawed. A 10mm has the capability to be the train at 75mph.

:)) :)) :))

Nice try. You don't seem to know much about firearms, your 10mm knowledge needs updating. Have you ever really owned one or are you just a fanboy? I doubt you've ever shot 10mm.

Quote from: 45isKing on July 13 2018 05:09:44 PM MDT

Quote from: Patriot on July 13 2018 05:05:09 PM MDT

Quote from: 45isKing on July 13 2018 04:47:18 PM MDT

Quote from: Patriot on July 13 2018 04:39:18 PM MDT

Quote from: 45isKing on July 13 2018 03:20:02 PM MDT
I don't see the need for redundant calibers in every pistol. I'd prefer new firearms specific to a caliber as we see in some of the Magnum revolvers. There's no need for an XD in 10mm because they already make an XD in 45 ACP and 9mm. I'd much rather Springfield come out with an entirely new platform for 10mm, maybe a target gun like the high end tanfoglios. 10mm is best for target shooters. Self defense and hunters are best served with 9mm or .45acp.

This is just incorrect. While the 9mm and 45 acp have thieir strengths, neither are on the level of 10mm. You should look into the numbers.

What does more damage? A freight train going 45 miles per hour or a bus going 60 mph? Obviously the train. The 45acp is a train, the 10mm is a bus. The 10mm is a flat shooter, good for professional shooters at organized events. There's a reason cops don't use it. Cops use .40, 9mm and .45acp. The reason is obvious to professional shooters like me. I shoot 10mm religiously in competition. Never for self defense, never for hunting. 45acp is just better hands down. I wouldn't shoot anything but 10mm for competition, but in self defense 9mm or 45acp all day.

Your analogy is flawed. A 10mm has the capability to be the train at 75mph.

:)) :)) :))

Nice try. You don't seem to know much about firearms, your 10mm knowledge needs updating. Have you ever really owned one or are you just a fanboy? I doubt you've ever shot 10mm.

Ugh. I just bought a Glock 20sf today, I'm sure people here that know me on Facebook can confirm I just made a post today showing it. I've bought several 10mm's from people on this website, and just sold a Witness Stock 2 to a member here. I've been buying 10mm for 19 years, have over a dozen in my current collection. I don't run this website just to be a "fanboy." That's insulting.

Quote from: 45isKing on July 13 2018 03:20:02 PM MDT
I don't see the need for redundant calibers in every pistol. I'd prefer new firearms specific to a caliber as we see in some of the Magnum revolvers. There's no need for an XD in 10mm because they already make an XD in 45 ACP and 9mm. I'd much rather Springfield come out with an entirely new platform for 10mm, maybe a target gun like the high end tanfoglios. 10mm is best for target shooters. Self defense and hunters are best served with 9mm or .45acp.

Well it seems that many of these companies can't deviate from the 1911 platforms and Colt has hung on to that for over a 100 years and everyone is coping that over and over...

QuoteNice try. You don't seem to know much about firearms, your 10mm knowledge needs updating. Have you ever really owned one or are you just a fanboy? I doubt you've ever shot 10mm.

I'll advise that Patriot is more than a "10mm Fanboy", yes he has several 10mm's in his collection.  Him being the owner of this website, it has done more to help preserve the 10mm cartridge and guns via his dedication providing this ad free, no cost place where we participate in discussion, findings and reviews of everything related.  It is because 10mm isn't a 9mm or a 45 ACP that we chose it to be our caliber of choice!

I will say, we pride ourselves with this task of sharing our years of knowledge and experiences that we bring to the forum for everyone to enjoy.  My personal experience with 10mm started with the inception back in the early 80's.  However I waited till 1989 to order my first being a S&W 1006 which I took delivery of early 1990.  I have handloaded for mine since day one even where no data existed.


In closing you only need to read and discover the true value of this website to understand what is contained within! ::)

Now about the Springfield offerings, they produced the OMEGA years ago with the help of  Peters-Stahl of Germany...
Was it the best 10mm of its time not really as there were issues with the recoil rod design.  It was prone to cracking at the hole in the rod.

QuoteSpringfield Linkless 10mm and are ... With guide rod breakage, slide stop cracks, firing pin breakage, extractor wear, front sight loss, and slides breaking, the design from Stahl needed beefing up.

I was close to purchasing one of these but glad I did not...

Will Springfield ever bring out the 10mm XD that is yet to be seen, but many have asked Springfield to do so with a NO SHOW as of yet!

A 9mm or 45acp for hunting over a 10mm ? That's a joke right?

Quote from: 01deuce on July 17 2018 05:09:57 PM MDT
A 9mm or 45acp for hunting over a 10mm ? That's a joke right?

I would hope so but reading into his screen name and a few of his post it looks like he is blinded by his ignorance of the true 10mm performance.  The 10mm people know that the 10mm has more energy at 100 yards than a 45ACP at the muzzle! ::)

That poster has gone silent.  He either gave up on us or read some ballistics and realized that his perceptions of the 10mm were 180° wrong and is not willing to post more, or he is re-grouping to troll some more.

If he posts more of this kind of rhetoric, just skip it.  Don't feed the trolls and they will  soon grow bored.

While I suspect he was a troll, I kinda hope he was just mis-informed.  If so, come on back and find out how great the 10mm is.

Quote from: sqlbullet on July 17 2018 09:22:01 PM MDT
That poster has gone silent.  He either gave up on us or read some ballistics and realized that his perceptions of the 10mm were 180° wrong and is not willing to post more, or he is re-grouping to troll some more.

If he posts more of this kind of rhetoric, just skip it.  Don't feed the trolls and they will  soon grow bored.

While I suspect he was a troll, I kinda hope he was just mis-informed.  If so, come on back and find out how great the 10mm is.

My money is on troll. It was the "professional shooters like me" comment that was the biggest giveaway. There isn't a professional shooter in the world that doesn't know the difference in power between a 9, .45, and 10mm.

Absolutely, I've been shooting tons for many years, but would never consider my self a professional shooter, Lol

I get paid to teach people about guns, but I still would not consider myself a "professional shooter".

I get that, funny guy : )

LoL....
I like .45 caliber too. I've taken deer at 120 yards with one of my .45s; Freedom Arms .454 Casull...
;D
A 10mm XD would be cool.
They do make a .460 Rowland conversion for the XD45. I've though about doing that conversion before but then thought, naaaaahhhhhh....
10mm is, without a doubt, the highest performance "realistic" auto pistol defensive caliber currently available.
I think an XD in 10 would sell...

Ho Lee Cow. Looks like it might come true after all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/10mm/comments/9jeonw/sootch00_has_a_review_for_an_xdm_10mm_coming_soon/

Wow, really 😀😀😀

So a 4.5" XDm with a windage adjustable rear sight?

This has me scratching my head why it took so long! Dang YouTuber's had one in operation way before the mention from Springfield!

So maybe they had to heavy the slide and barrel for 10mm and increase the recoil spring weight. I don't see much else that had to be done! Was it because they did the 1911 first and that didn't pan out too great?

Sorry to be the wet blanket on this one, but I think this might be a fake. I did some searching around and the same pic appears to have been on reddit and instagram. The twitter link on reddit doesn't exist. I found nothing on the
Springfield website or Facebook page.

We typically see new guns announced months before they're actually available, even to reviewers. The social media buzz is today's free marketing. I think the worst case scenario here is this is a photoshopped pic. Best case scenario is someone that works for Springfield took a cell phone pic of a prototype and leaked it. Either way, I doubt any of us will have one by Christmas......

I actually hope I'm wrong about this, but time will tell.

Yep, having this show up on reddit does make you question its credibility

Quote from: 50BMG on July 22 2018 09:09:29 PM MDT
LoL....
I like .45 caliber too. I've taken deer at 120 yards with one of my .45s; Freedom Arms .454 Casull...
;D
A 10mm XD would be cool.
They do make a .460 Rowland conversion for the XD45. I've though about doing that conversion before but then thought, naaaaahhhhhh....
10mm is, without a doubt, the highest performance "realistic" auto pistol defensive caliber currently available.
I think an XD in 10 would sell...

I have shot several different 460 Rowland conversions - Glock, 5"1911 and XD.  Not sure why but the XD version is the softest shooting. It is the only one I wouldn't think twice about running 150 rounds thru.  My 1911 version becomes uncomfortable after about 50 rounds. 

The XD should make for a very nice 10mm platform.

Absolutely, as does my RIA Rock Ultra, did 200rds's yesterday and gosh, just wanted to be done for the day. 10's are so much fun, but are definitely a workout

I like to contact the source where possible. Let me know what you think!




Don Porter <sootch00@gmail.com>
To:


Sep 29 at 4:13 PM

Unfortunately all hell is breaking loose so I can't confim or deny! Lol! I have a review of a SA pistol coming Oct 10 so you'll find out then.
For the  record, I did get a pistol from SA for the GetZone Holiday Gift Guide and wasn't in on any release date when I recieved it. I wish
I had.

Thanks Jesse~

Don

Don Porter

Nice...time will tell, Thanks Intercooler!

Since the links were dead, I thought someone was spoofing that account. Thanks Intercooler!

This is one 10mm I won't purchase. I don't get the fascination over the XD/XDM guns.


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Personally, I think it would be just another fun addition to my 10"s  collection, other than that, probably nothing outrageously nice

Quote from: Mike D on September 30 2018 01:34:42 PM MDT
This is one 10mm I won't purchase. I don't get the fascination over the XD/XDM guns.


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I kind of agree but... It's a better grip than most, aftermarket support, good chamber support, good function, decent price and nice size options. Not much to like  ;D Do you own one, or have?

Nope, not at this point / until they possibly become available, but am looking hard a one of their full size 9"s

Quote from: Mike D on September 30 2018 01:34:42 PM MDT
This is one 10mm I won't purchase. I don't get the fascination over the XD/XDM guns.


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If you can't stand the grip thickness or grip angle of a Glock but still want a utility gun that will go bang then XD is your answer. I personally have never enjoyed shooting XD's in 9mm or 40, stock triggers feel horrible.  I was given a well used 4" 45acp service model and was pleasantly surprised by the grip ergo's and functionality of the pistol. It is ugly but it runs. Lots of wear on the original barrel so the the stock trigger is well worn in and almost acceptable (spoiled by CZ's). 

Really the only reason I'd pick an XD up in 10mm is because I have yet to find a reliable polymer 10mm handgun that fits my hand well.  Tried several Glocks over the years but just can't get past the trigger or grip thickness. My GP P40 never earned my trust due to mag issues.  They seem to be resolved but I don't like how if you drop the safety too far you de-cock the gun and the trigger reach for a double action pull is too long for my hands to fire without shifting my grip. Been carrying my 1006 when I go into the woods but man is it heavy.  The 460 Rowland conversion I put in the XD is still proving itself out but so far I have 200 trouble free rounds down it.  When I get to 500 rounds it earns a spot in my chest holster.

Morning Azrckcrawler,
I actually like the grip on my G20, and 30, plus they have both been 100% reliable
Thanks

Ken

Quote from: Graybeard on September 29 2018 07:12:37 AM MDT
Sorry to be the wet blanket on this one, but I think this might be a fake. I did some searching around and the same pic appears to have been on reddit and instagram. The twitter link on reddit doesn't exist. I found nothing on the
Springfield website or Facebook page.

We typically see new guns announced months before they're actually available, even to reviewers. The social media buzz is today's free marketing. I think the worst case scenario here is this is a photoshopped pic. Best case scenario is someone that works for Springfield took a cell phone pic of a prototype and leaked it. Either way, I doubt any of us will have one by Christmas......

I actually hope I'm wrong about this, but time will tell.

The Springfield page shows their TRP 10mm and says they have heard the cries for 10mm. Keep an eye out for more reveals this fall.

Id imagine the original links are all broken cause Springfield yelled at Sootch to take the pic down. Since it wasn't the approved release date.

Also, Sootch00 say Oct10 is when his review for a pistol he received from SA goes live...hmm mighty convenient that a 10mm pic appeared, was taken down, and something will be revealed on Oct 10th.

As for being secretive prior to being revealed, its no more special reveal than the TRP, both the 1911 and the XDM were talked about by the CEO in Feb 2017. He even said the XDM was likely a 2017 project and nearly done. The TRP had a big tease leading up to it in December. Everyone thought they would do the XDM first cause the CEO said they hadn't even started on the 1911 yet and that the XDM was nearly done.

I agree that I cant imagine what took so long other than ATF sitting around on the import permit.

As for why Ill buy it. I'm not a fan of the EAA polymer 10mm and I have never felt a glock I liked in the slightest. I refuse to buy a grand power on principal after that bafoon canuck got all pissed off and referred to all 10mm fans as A-holes when I called him out on his inconsistent and eventually proven lies. Any company that condones a rep like that has no business getting a dime of my money. Since SW is content to ignore the 10mm in the MP, the only hope of a big name 10mm polymer that isn't glock was Springfield.

Ill snag one as soon as I see one. Possibly even order it in from gunbroker.

Any guesses on capacity?

Well, if the Full size XD(M) 4.5? 40 is 16 rd's, and the XD(M) 3.8? Compact 40 is 11, it would have to be close to those depending on the given frame size

Quote from: Bruno747 on October 01 2018 07:21:34 PM MDT
I refuse to buy a grand power on principal after that bafoon canuck got all pissed off and referred to all 10mm fans as A-holes when I called him out on his inconsistent and eventually proven lies. Any company that condones a rep like that has no business getting a dime of my money.

Clearly I missed something here. Please explain.

Morning Graybeard, I may be the one that's confused. I thought Bruno was asking for thoughts on the possible capacity if Springfield actually started producing an XD in 10mm
Thanks

Ken

Good morning Ken, he did ask for guesses on capacity. I was just curious as to the comments he referenced earlier in his post.

There are occasions when someone in the gun industry puts their foot in their mouth. Bill Ruger had to eat crow for years after he said there was no reason for an average person to own an AR15. I'm mildly curious as to who this rep was and what was actually said.

Got it, I haven't talked with anyone about this, but would sure like to see them offer one

Quote from: Graybeard on October 02 2018 04:31:22 AM MDT

Quote from: Bruno747 on October 01 2018 07:21:34 PM MDT
I refuse to buy a grand power on principal after that bafoon canuck got all pissed off and referred to all 10mm fans as A-holes when I called him out on his inconsistent and eventually proven lies. Any company that condones a rep like that has no business getting a dime of my money.

Clearly I missed something here. Please explain.

Back when the grand power 10mm 4 and 5" were starting to appear, a user on this forum with a username that had canuk in it. His real name if I remember is David Copping. He was the NA Rep for Grand Power and lived in Canada.

If you want the long version, you can look through my post history from a few years ago 90% of the stuff was on this site.

The shorter version however is that David aka Canuk kept telling us that the small version was approved for import. Any issues getting one was totally on eagle imports and that grand power nor even the ATF was the real source of the delay. He also claimed multiple times that the larger version was submitted to the ATF around the same time as the smaller one. (it was actually submitted almost a year later if I remember correctly) Tired of the claims that it was all eagle imports, I reached out to them. They clearly stated that the grand power wasn't available for import yet, and according to their sources the 5" hadn't even been submitted to the atf at the time let alone was anywhere near getting a permit. I kept badgering David trying to find out where the miscommunication was. Eventually David started to delete posts he made on facebook and other sites. These were the outright lies he was trying to erase. When I asked him about that he went silent on here. So I for giggles and grins looked him up on facebook. His account wasn't set to private and prominently displayed that he was the NA rep for Grand Power. One of the posts he recently put up at the time was something to the extent that he just got done dealing with those freaking 10mm a-hole fans (edited for language). Am I or any of these forum members an a-hole for trying to understand why he is telling us one thing, and the company he is blaming is telling us another totally different thing?

I reached out to grand power about them having someone representing them in this fashion and they never responded. Which to me is just an admission that they simply don't care. I never followed up except to post on the genuine grand power forum asking when the 5" would be approved for import.

It really was a case of David was just throwing out trash info he new was false and them blaming another company for nothing appearing for months. Then getting mad when he got caught. He did if I remember right give a half hearted apology at some point. I'm convinced that was really his manager telling him to apologize.

At any rate that is the semi-short version of why I wont buy a grand power in any caliber or model.

Thanks Bruno, getting the runaround like that can be very frustrating. I will however give Grand Power my money one day, as I've wanted one for awhile
Thanks

Ken

I understand what you are saying, and I do remember some of that, however, I love my GP40-10.

Thanks for the explanation. I appreciate the concise summary. No one likes feeling like they're being jerked around. Being called an a**hole doesn't help much either!

Springfield is further teasing us on their facebook page.

"Good things come to those who wait.

10.10.18

10,000 rounds zero failures"

That's an awful lot of 10s and the cases sure look like 10mm. One thing that does concern me from both a saftey and a reloading standpoint is that when zoomed in, it looks like a fair number of those cases have smiles/buldges. I hope its just that its a poor picture.

I'd love it if they surprise us with a complete XDM 10mm set. 5" tactical (optics ready please) 4.5" and an XDS 10mm. But Ill settle for the one Sootch00 leaked.

Lets also hope those 10,000 rounds were through 1 gun proving it has some real durability and life in it.

Also, looked up the 40cal 4.5" It holds 16 rounds. Interesting...wonder how long Ill have to wait to get a legal 15 round mag in Commierado

Also, looks like if these actually appear on gunbroker to locally before end of the year, you can get three free mags and a range bag via the gear up promotion.

So I contacted Springfield Armory regarding their possible release of an XDm 10mm, and this was their response...not that I expected to get a straight answer, Lol

Sir,
Thank you for the inquiry.  I don't have any advance knowledge of product development.  Please stay tuned to our website for the latest product announcements.
Thank you!

Heather S.| Customer Service
Springfield Armory®
420 West Main Street
Geneseo, IL 61254

800-680-6866
heathers@springfield-armory.com
www.springfield-armory.com


Subject: XDm 10mm availability

Good morning,?I have been told that Springfield Armory will soon be offering a XDm 10mm. Is this true?, and if so, when can we expect to see them?
?Keep up the great job?
Sincerely

??Ken K.

I worked the photo to look at the brass. I see some color that might give you the thought of bulge. No bulges to my eyes...

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I think it's hilarious that there appears to be no case in that pic with the head stamp showing... Edit: oops - just left of the first 1 in the image, dead on to the camera. Anybody able to read it?

A possible new 10 on a proven platform? Sign me up.

I wonder if different lengths will be rolled out. I hate when they offer one size in the beginning and roll your wanted size out later!

Wouldn't that be par for the course

It's true my LGS will have two on the 10th


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Quote from: 38-40 on October 04 2018 06:30:00 PM MDT
It's true my LGS will have two on the 10th


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Where is your local gun shop and can I throw my wallet at him?

Quote from: Bruno747 on October 04 2018 07:16:33 PM MDT

Quote from: 38-40 on October 04 2018 06:30:00 PM MDT
It's true my LGS will have two on the 10th


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Where is your local gun shop and can I throw my wallet at him?

Montana. He said the price will be about the same as a Glock


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What barrel lengths can you get?

Quote from: Intercooler on October 05 2018 02:11:09 AM MDT
What barrel lengths can you get?

5 1/2 and 4 1/2 and 15 round capacity up here


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Nice 😀

Well crap! Now I have to wait 5 more days to see which of those I like better  :(

I kind of had hopes for a 4". That would have been the one!

Think I'll wait for them to work out any bugs


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Quote from: 38-40 on October 05 2018 09:36:53 AM MDT

Quote from: Intercooler on October 05 2018 02:11:09 AM MDT
What barrel lengths can you get?

5 1/2 and 4 1/2 and 15 round capacity up here


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I was hopeful that the 4.5 was a compact grip, but it looks full size. Good news for me if its 15rd, I wont have to fight to have one shipped in up here or wait till 15rd rigs show up.

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This is from the owner of my favorite local shop. Their prices are always very competitive, but still seems high...Thought

Hello Ken,

They're supposedly getting released soon! I think our price would be $715 on the 5.25", $595 on the 4.5".

Thank you,
-Kate
Arnzen Arms
www.ArnzenArms.com
Store Phone: 952 944 1875

I am seeing the part number for the 4.5" on a couple sites for around 550. Ill bite at that price. The 5.25 doesnt really intrigue me too much. If it was optic ready I would be all over it.

But non adjustable sights with the factory ones ripped off and a good set of night sights replacing them will suite me just fine on the 4.5

I wonder how long it will take mectech to build a ccu in 10 mm for the XD


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Quote from: Kenk on October 08 2018 05:19:21 PM MDT
This is from the owner of my favorite local shop. Their prices are always very competitive, but still seems high...Thought

Hello Ken,

They're supposedly getting released soon! I think our price would be $715 on the 5.25", $595 on the 4.5".

Thank you,
-Kate
Arnzen Arms
www.ArnzenArms.com
Store Phone: 952 944 1875

Grabagun has them listed as out of stock🤔, probably until tomorrow. Their prices are $620/4.5" and $742/5.25". I'd say Ken's local gun store is offering a pretty good deal.

Plus most of the employees treat you right, no belittling or treating you like an idiot if you don't know everything about everything. Been to a few like that over the years, and won't give them my time or money

Quote from: Kenk on October 09 2018 09:24:01 AM MDT
Plus most of the employees treat you right, no belittling or treating you like an idiot if you don't know everything about everything. Been to a few like that over the years, and won't give them my time or money

Been to a few of those myself. Start telling me 10mm is pointless or that 1911s "will get you killed" and I'm headed for the door.

Lol, Absolutely : )

Woohoo!!!

https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2018/10/first-look-springfield-xdm-10mm-pistol/

https://www.springfield-armory.com/xdm10k/

The day is here! :)

I'm hitting Cabela's tomorrow to try out both sizes in the 9mm version. I suggest everyone do the same before ordering! The waffle-board grip won't be for everyone for sure. This is why I was hoping for an XD in 10mm. I love our XD 9mm in 4" with grip tape on the handle. Tomorrow will be a refresh on the XDm and that waffle pattern! I also think in the 10mm version, no slide cut should have been put in.

Hydra-Shoc ammo is not a good test for 10,000 rounds. It's weak! The real test is slow to nuclear, light to heavy, frangible to hardcast and no oil!

It's interesting that they didn't do several hundred with varying types of ammo. All of one kind doesn't really tell you much, other than it liked those

Ditto on the Hydra Shocks, weak tea. I'm not really thrilled with the slide cut either. Which is fine since I'd rather have the 4.5" anyway :) Now they need too offer a night sight option for the ultimate carry gun.

Did you check on the NS? I think it should be out there. I wanted a silver slide option  :(

https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=springfield+xdm+night+sights&index=aps&tag=hydsma-20&ref=pd_sl_359pl84tgr_e&adgrpid=61566526768&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=274685969931&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6058912637771811142&hvqmt=e&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=200511&hvtargid=kwd-314861623827

They tested that Springfield over 2 1/2 days with their 10K round testing with:
Federal Hi-Shok 180gr JHP (10C)
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: 1030 fps
Muzzle Energy: 424 ft. lbs
Still not a bad test cycle even with the weaker ammo

When S&W did their 10mm 10,000 round torture test back in 1990, it was done in 6 1/2 hours with Winchester Silvertip ammo back in the day.
Incase some of you all missed that you can read about that test here: http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-semi-auto-handguns/sw10xx-series-information/msg1632/#msg1632 (http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-semi-auto-handguns/sw10xx-series-information/msg1632/#msg1632)

Winchester 175gr  Silvertip JHP
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: 1290 fps
Muzzle Energy: 649 ft. lbs

Is this Chopinbloc? Sounds like him

https://youtu.be/ex4JsT-6Z6M

I have seen where the XDM has held up in 45super not not sure on round counts on them or what spring weight they are using. Should have fullly supported barrel with normal rifling as well so no need to buy after market like I did for my G20 and G29.

That's how my XD 9mm barrel is. Great support, on the tight side and a mirror polish on the feed ramp. Couldn't ask for better! Never a single issue from 50gr-165gr and a 115gr moving 1400 FPS.

Quote from: Intercooler on October 10 2018 09:11:07 AM MDT
Did you check on the NS? I think it should be out there. I wanted a silver slide option  :(

I meant a factory option for night sights. I wouldn't mind adding a set of Meprolights, just nicer if it came with them. I'm avoiding Truglo as I've had a set of those come apart and their customer service was less than stellar. Start to finish was about 6 weeks for a replacement.

I have Sverdlovsk Springfield guns. One is the XDS in 45 and I have run allot of ammo across this gun and it runs stellar. I am really impressed with Springfield and that they listen to thier customer base. I am looking forward to adding these to my collection.

Man you guys sound like bunch of kids in a candy store[emoji16]
Well who got one?


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Most definitely 😀

Well mark me as "surprised", I doubted that Springfield could tempt the Croatians into building these.

My old agency issues the XD in .45acp.  We had a few factory sights lose tritium which SA promptly fixed, the mag springs went weak after 3-4 years and SA sent new ones with thicker metal and an extra coil for every magazine we owned.  One rocket scientist didn't tighten his TLR-1 light and during the coldest requal session I've ever seen (teens) the chin on the end of the frame snapped off his pistol, SA replaced it with no question.  We had less problems with the XD45 pistols than any other pistol we issued over the years and people shot them better.

The one quibble I have is that you have to remove a roll pin from the slide to completely strip it and best practice is to use a new roll pin upon reassembly.   Having said that the design is tank tough but ergonomic and natural to learn to shoot well.

I may eventually get me one...

I was told by my dealer or will take some time for the dealers to have them in stock. I was told could take a few days or a few weeks before he sees one. 👎

I was gonna ask if anyone saw any in stock. But looks like it may be a Christmas Present to myself.

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Quote from: Mike D on September 30 2018 01:34:42 PM MDT
This is one 10mm I won't purchase. I don't get the fascination over the XD/XDM guns.


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I kind of agree but... It's a better grip than most, aftermarket support, good chamber support, good function, decent price and nice size options. Not much to like  ;D Do you own one, or have?

I've owned an XD and XDM and after more than one failure of each due to dirt intrusion, I switched to Glock and have never looked back.

No doubt they have better ergonomics than the Glock but I just have a bitter taste after my personal experience with them.


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Don't play with your pistols in the dirt  ;D

I suspect the distributors will allocate the first few shipments to drive demand.

I want the long slide 1911 with RMR first then this one.

Found some

4.5"  $550 and free shipping

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/211651/xdm94510bhce/springfield-xdm-10mm-4.5-full-size-black-pistol

Quote from: 38-40 on October 10 2018 11:39:52 AM MDT
Man you guys sound like bunch of kids in a candy store[emoji16]
Well who got one?


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I just ordered the 4.5" version from Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore. $549 shipped. Now the waiting game for it to get here.

I also just ordered the 4.5 version--- thank you for putting up address!

Looks fun

If anyone wanted the 5.25 they have that listed as in stock too. Not my bag I snagged the 4.5.


https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/211652

They didn't last long!

Don't forget to gear up for the mags/bag!


https://www.springfield-armory.com/allxdgearup

Just left my local LGS, got my non order! 4.5 in bbl.  he went through his distributor who said they ordered 700 so Springfield start shipping them I will be a happy man

Looks like they are back at the links I posted earlier.

Managed to snag one from Sportman's. Signed up for their notification. Pretty good deal with the free magazine promo.

Great video, Thanks!

Hope to have mine by the end of the mth but would someone PLEASE do a review with real 10mm ammo. All reviews I have watched are with weak 10mm

Thanks ;D

HPR in that video is true 10mm.

Quote from: Intercooler on October 12 2018 09:16:53 AM MDT
HPR in that video is true 10mm.

Must have missed that one.. will go watch it. Thanks for the info

Quote from: mt10mm on October 12 2018 09:08:20 AM MDT
Hope to have mine by the end of the mth but would someone PLEASE do a review with real 10mm ammo. All reviews I have watched are with weak 10mm

Thanks ;D

I'm surprised there hasn't been more push back on the 10k round test of 40 S&W hyrdoshok ammo. Literally the difference in specs between 40SW and the 10MM hydroshok is a whole 30fps. Thats a shame for a supposed durability test.

When he picked up the federal box I thought he was gonna run the 180 gr soft point trophy bonded which would have been a SOLID reliability test. But alas no, it was not meant to be.

Quote from: Bruno747 on October 12 2018 07:33:57 PM MDT
...Literally the difference in specs between 40SW and the 10MM hydroshok is a whole 30fps. ...

It's worse than that.  The 40 S&W ammo was slower, but was tested from a 1" shorter barrel.  So, the 40 Hydroshok is actually loaded hotter than the 10mm.

Based on my experience with my XD 9mm and the stuff I put through it over the years... you won't break the pistol with what you can throw at it without going way over any kind of acceptable nuclear load. If you really want to just blast with it, add a recoil reducing guide-rod and enjoy!

Damn... throwback to 6 years ago shooting Underwood's smoker 115's  ;D

Quote from: Intercooler on October 10 2018 03:42:28 PM MDT
Don't play with your pistols in the dirt  ;D

Lol that doesn't work with the fine Texas red dirt and my hunting style.


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Quote from: mt10mm on October 12 2018 09:08:20 AM MDT
Hope to have mine by the end of the mth but would someone PLEASE do a review with real 10mm ammo. All reviews I have watched are with weak 10mm

Thanks ;D

I promise if I get mine soon, I will do a review with underwood,silvertips, dig v-crown and my own full power bangers!!

I promise if I get mine soon, I will do a review with underwood,silvertips, dig v-crown and my own full power bangers!![/quote]


Thank you 🙏

posted the below on another threat in case ya missed, just keeping my promise



OK gang, I finally got to the range with my new xdm-10 4.5 in barrel. I shot several types of amMO 10-15 rounds of each listed below
180g Underwood gdhp-nice recoil,quick shots, one of my fave
175g Silvertips-sweet shooting,accurate, my urban carry load
155g Corbon jhp,light recoil,easy shooting,not super accurate.
180g Hornady critical defense, light shooting,one hole
180g Federal trophy match, Stout load with recoil, accurate,nice
180g sig performance fmj, also stout recoil
180g xtp,home rolled, 9.2 longshot, nice shooter,accurate
200g xtp,home rolled, 8.6g longshot, stout,nice
Forgot the sig vcrown and the 190g fbi load at home but I think I had a pretty good med-full power load representation. I didn't however have some weak stuff like armscorp ,s&b, or blazer. All the rounds went through with out a hitch, flawless. Just a light cleaning and oiling pre-range. Shoots nice even with the stout loads and second shots are easy. And if I did my part, most would tear out the center at 21ft (I know, I'm gonna stretch her out next week)..
I've ordered sights,night fision, because I hate those crappy tru-glows. Also stripped the slide completely and dropping it off for ceracote  tomorrow.  Overall,  I'm very pleased with the gun and after ceracote,will be getting a new holster and it will be a frequent carry gun....maybe edc...good gun, good fun what else ya need.

just got back from my initial range time.

175gr silvertips 12 shots at 10yds 7 bulls, 3 nearly bulls 2 fliers less than an inch from bull

180gr berry plated 1.26 oal over 9.7gr bluedot wlp primer did very well too

zero malfunctions and nicely accurate when i did my part out to 25yds.

I thing SA missed the boat when they did not make these new guns optic ready!

frank..

guy at the lgs said the same thing, he wanted them kinda like the glock mos style. i don't like optics on handguns but the mos feature on my g40 doesn't bother me.

Quote from: frankt on November 18 2018 06:25:27 PM MST
I thing SA missed the boat when they did not make these new guns optic ready!

This is very accurate.  Especially the longer version, though in reality both.

I have never been a fan of optics on a handgun.  But a local SWAT guy I have spoken with is changing my mind, especially for defensive guns.