I found another thread from last year on this topic, but after getting the red necropost warning, I decide to start a new one. Not sure it's needed on a site with this little traffic, but I'm new and didn't want to break a best practice of etiquette.
With EAA and Glock having measurable success and new 10mm guns popping up on the regular, I'd really like to see some of those new options being produced in the carry category. I understand the reduced sales figures from larger counterparts, but I haven't met a single 10mm shooter that's opposed to a more carry friendly version. The only ones that say it isn't desirable....don't carry anyway...or don't live and work in environments where the concealed remaining concealed part is essential.
Why a carry version? I say why not? Heck, I'd be happy with a polymer single stack with a 4" barrel, like an XDs 4. They're already making most of these sub compacts in .45 ACP, it's not much design time to accommodate the 10mm.
Here are some pistols I'd like to see made in 10mm
XDs 4
Glock 36
Kahr CW/P 45 CM/PM 45
Tangfolio Poly 1911 Commander
Stoeger Cougar 45
Sig P239, or even a P220 that's standard sized.
Any HK in a Compact or SK model...p2000, P30, USP, VP
Walther PPQ SC 45
I'd prefer the single stack versions, but the rest are concealable with a little more effort. Why not get full sized 40 performance out of a compact? Anyway, I feel the same way about carbine availability. But maybe that's another thread.
I would love to see both the smaller carry guns, and a carbine, but no one seems too interested in making them.
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I have a Kriss Vector SDP in 10mm. Thinking I could stamp it and replace the barrel with a cut down carbine barrel later, since they sell pistols and carbines. That way I could enjoy the sub gun while I waited, and it shares mags with the G20.
The ballistic charts I've studied seem to indicate that 10" is the sweet spot for maximization of most commercial ammo, so losing 6" of barrel is a good thing for versatility without giving up performance.
Well, the barrels are factory press fit, and I can't seem to source one without buying the rifle. So I haven't stamped the pistol as a result. Having the extra support points still makes it versatile over a pistol, and it's fun as hell to shoot, but c'mon. It's a lot of money to be stuck at this point.
Holding out hope for the new Ruger PC takedown Carbine to go 10mm soon.
HK45C but 10mm - Totally on board.
Witness P-Compact but that actually works with full power ammo - On board.
Something like my 90% complete Para P12-10mm CCO sized gun. Who knows how mine will run, but I have high hopes.
I am increasingly interesting in something compact but with a hammer. I like my Glock 29, but prefer something I can control the firing mechanism on via tactile interface when holstering in an appendix carry.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 24 2018 08:11:57 PM MST
HK45C but 10mm - Totally on board.
Witness P-Compact but that actually works with full power ammo - On board.
Something like my 90% complete Para P12-10mm CCO sized gun. Who knows how mine will run, but I have high hopes.
I am increasingly interesting in something compact but with a hammer. I like my Glock 29, but prefer something I can control the firing mechanism on via tactile interface when holstering in an appendix carry.
100% agree with the hammer, my preference as well. Appreciable confidence difference when reholstering appendix. I do it with striker fired guns all the time, but I feel a ton better with the spurs. HK would be my first choice, but likely the last ones to consider it. I've been leary about the smaller 1911's from the things I've heard and read, and I haven't fully accepted they can handle the stout stuff long term. Hence the polymer EAA suggestion.
Maybe hanging out here will change my mind.
I'd pay two grand for any factory HK 10mm handgun, any series. If they could make the USPC work, I'd buy several.
I like the idea on paper but the execution of 10mm pressures/recoil in a small plastic package leave a lot to be desired. In the 2 years that I owned a Glock 29 and let others shoot it at the range I never had anyone comment that it was a good/pleasant/accurate gun. Most shot a mag thru it and never touched it again. Did have one co-worker that I loaned it to when he took a trip to Alaska to do some stream samples for a dam project. We did a few shooting sessions to get him used to it and to practice clearing limp wristed jams. Even with grip tape the 29 was a hard one to hold onto when running full power loads thru it. I sold it because I could barely handle it with two hands much less shooting single handed simulating an injury.
I see a small revolver being the ideal 10mm CC platform as you are not going to limp wrist it and there will be some weight to help offset the recoil due to the SS construction. Just keep the round count down to 5 to keep the cylinder small. Problem is that option is already covered by a variety of revolvers chambered in various calibers, none of them 10mm.
An HK UPS Expert in 10mm would be nice - although it doesn't matter in California because we can't have any new guns on the roster without microstamping.
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Quote from: my_old_glock on January 25 2018 03:54:11 PM MST
An HK UPS Expert in 10mm would be nice -
Would love to see one of those too. Even and Mark 23 in 10mm would be neat, though prefer the 'cleanness' of the Expert.
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I'm sure some folks would buy 10mms for concealed carry if more were available but I wouldn't be one of them. I prefer the 9mm for its magazine capacity and easy to handle recoil. Where I do like the 10mm is for woods carry and medium sized game hunting. For that purpose, I have three 6 inch 10mms which are easy to carry and pack enough power with 200 grain loads to do what I need to have done in the woods.
Quote from: sep on January 26 2018 09:22:13 AM MST
I'm sure some folks would buy 10mms for concealed carry if more were available but I wouldn't be one of them. I prefer the 9mm for its magazine capacity and easy to handle recoil. Where I do like the 10mm is for woods carry and medium sized game hunting. For that purpose, I have three 6 inch 10mms which are easy to carry and pack enough power with 200 grain loads to do what I need to have done in the woods.
Really depends on how you dress, weather, holster etc. I've been carrying concealed full size 10mm handguns since my first S&W 1006. I prefer a shoulder rig, which was easy in Washington state because even in the summer I could wear a light coat. Now that I'm in Arizona I use a cloak tuck or aliengear IWB with jeans and t-shirt in the summer. In the winter I use my vertical shoulder holster and lightweight Wrangler field jacket. I will however, if it's really hot or if I'm wearing something like slacks and button down shirt, I'll carry something small like a Taurus TCP or Bersa Thunder .380. But very rarely.
Chiappa Rhino in 10mm would be perfect 3" barrel
I'd love to see the MP45c platform in 10mm. I have tried many times over the years to get "custom barrel makers" to make me a 10mm barrel for it, but no one ever seems to have the time. It seems like a perfect platform for it because the magazines only take a minor tweak to hold 10mm. The slide already chambers and extracts the round pretty darn good for being that I am doing the gun equivalent of a hotdog down a hallway. Both in the breech face as well as the chamber.
The barrel wall increasing roughly 25 thou should be plenty, not terribly far from some bull barrel dimensions.
If anyone knows someone who can do some machining work for me and make a 10mm MP45c barrel, I am all ears and more than willing to pay.
I have the XDs in 45. I think 10mm would be a bit much on that size gun.
...or a rotating bolt (DI) AR upper,,,.... an affordable rotating bolt AR upper. The 10 fits nicely into AR15 Magazines.
I just found this site and registered so I could add my 2 cents.
A CZ based on the 75 or P07 would be great.
welcome to the forum.
I also would like to see the CZ 75 in 10mm. until that happens I will be content with my Witness. its a pretty good clone. and reasonably priced.
"With EAA and Glock having measurable success and new 10mm guns popping up on the regular, I'd really like to see some of those new options being produced in the carry category. I understand the reduced sales figures from larger counterparts, but I haven't met a single 10mm shooter that's opposed to a more carry friendly version. The only ones that say it isn't desirable....don't carry anyway...or don't live and work in environments where the concealed remaining concealed part is essential."
I don't understand what the Op is trying to say. What does "carry category" mean"? Or "more carry friendly"? Does he mean a smaller, pocket sized pistol? If so, then I disagree. My EDC gun is my full size 5" Night Hawk Custom 10mm. It is "carry friendly" as far as I am concerned. I have no problems or issues concealing it, unlike that brick sized Glock with it's fat slide. I would never want to carry a pocket sized or any other back up sized gun as my primary weapon. And I carry every time I leave the house.
My EDC is this. No problem concealed carrying this.
(https://s6.postimg.org/a66cuqvu9/EDC.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/es2h33hd9/)
Quote from: blaster on January 28 2018 06:42:11 PM MST
welcome to the forum.
I also would like to see the CZ 75 in 10mm. until that happens I will be content with my Witness. its a pretty good clone. and reasonably priced.
I've read that CZ has no intention of making a 10mm CZ75B or any other model. Unfortunately for them, and those of us who would buy one.
Quote from: dsv35a on January 28 2018 08:34:53 AM MST
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So when is Sig making a 10mm P365? I might want a threaded barrel for a little compensator on such a small 10mm, just to take the sting off and add a little extra barrel length. ;D
I want something besides a Glock 29 that is about the same size and weight as a Glock 29. I would prefer it be DA/SA hammer fired.
My general EDC guns are 5" 1911A2's or a Glock 20, so I have no problem with a full size gun for carry. But I do occasionally find a need for something smaller.
My EDC is my GP40 or a Remington R51. Both rather unique and dependable, like me :)
I have a S&W CS40 (Chiefs Special) that's been converted to 10MM. Now I don't even attempt any heavy bullet weight full power loads but I shoot a lot of light for caliber screamers through it. 90-110gr stuff that in a 5" barrel is supposed to be moving around 1700+FPS. Not to sure how fast it is out of the little CS40. Shot maybe 500rds through it and it's holding up fine.
Not really compact, but I would like to sww an H&K "VP10."
H&K has beefed up the VP9 to manufacture the VP40. I'm sure they would do a good job on a 10mm version.
The Ruger P series would be a good one for me. I have a P 345 and really like it. D/A and polymer frame with just over a 4 " barrel. The only thing I do not like is that "dorsal fin " LCI.
Quote from: sqlbullet on January 24 2018 08:11:57 PM MST
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I am increasingly interesting in something compact but with a hammer. I like my Glock 29, but prefer something I can control the firing mechanism on via tactile interface when holstering in an appendix carry.
For tactile feedback/holstering safety, have you looked at the "Gadget" (Striker Control Device)?
Will prevent AD during holstering.
I'm breaking in a Fusion CCO in 10mm to replace a .45ACP for my EDC- I prefer it to my G29SF.
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Quote from: 2AinVA on April 22 2018 07:06:42 PM MDT
I'm breaking in a Fusion CCO in 10mm to replace a .45ACP for my EDC- I prefer it to my G29SF.
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Let me know how that goes I have been very tempted to throw a load of cash their way for a commander 10mm over the years.
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Quote from: 2AinVA on April 22 2018 07:06:42 PM MDT
I'm breaking in a Fusion CCO in 10mm to replace a .45ACP for my EDC- I prefer it to my G29SF.
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Let me know how that goes I have been very tempted to throw a load of cash their way for a commander 10mm over the years.
If I hadn't also picked up a used Custom Commander in 10mm, I'd be calling them to see the cost of a Freedom CCO in 10mm with a ramped barrel. I picked up the gently used CCO for under $800. It's the most fun to shoot of all my 1911s so far- and I have a baker's dozen, five in 10mm, though I've yet to shoot my RIA MS.
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I'm with you! Hell, if the G36 had a G19 length grip, I'd still have the one I bought when that model first came out. In 10mm, it'd be even better!
Quote from: Bat Rastard on January 27 2018 07:04:57 PM MST
I have the XDs in 45. I think 10mm would be a bit much on that size gun.
I think it depends! I've got an XDS 45, too - and I've shot heavy +p with it. Several guys on xdtalk have used 45 Super in it. I'm going to try some later this summer. Those heavy 45s are not comfortable, but... they're nothing like my friend's .460, and, relatively, at least, it's not as bad as my pf9 with +p ammo.
I wouldn't put 45 Super through and XDS every day, and I wouldn't put Underwood or Buffalo Bore through an XDS 10mm every day. But it would sure be nice to have that 10mm versatility in a pocket pistol!
I want S&W to make a Shield in 10mm!
I would really love a mid sized Glock in 10MM . Akin to the G23 specs or a slim line single stack. Glock will not go for it though. it is always about the bottom line with gun companies.
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Quote from: Bat Rastard on January 27 2018 07:04:57 PM MST
I have the XDs in 45. I think 10mm would be a bit much on that size gun.
I think it depends! I've got an XDS 45, too - and I've shot heavy +p with it. Several guys on xdtalk have used 45 Super in it. I'm going to try some later this summer. Those heavy 45s are not comfortable, but... they're nothing like my friend's .460, and, relatively, at least, it's not as bad as my pf9 with +p ammo.
I wouldn't put 45 Super through and XDS every day, and I wouldn't put Underwood or Buffalo Bore through an XDS 10mm every day. But it would sure be nice to have that 10mm versatility in a pocket pistol!
As a point of reference, I just converted an older 4" XD to 460 Rowland. I was amazed at how soft it shot vs. my 5" 1911 version. Even with 250gr loads it was enjoyable to shoot. I don't see a 10mm XD being any big deal based on my 460 Rowland experience. Would not want a pocket sized version.
Just grabbed a Grand Power 10mm off Bud's. If it runs reliable for me with Underwood, it's light enough and I'm big enough to make it my EDC. I was considering
a plastic Witness compact for a loooooooooong time but..........I still might give one a try sometime in the future just in case I might get one that works with good ammo.