More 10mm goodness...
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But is it? I'm really really not a fan of a rail on a 1911. Then they overwhelm you with that awesome 8 round capacity for $1800. I think you could get the Ruger 1911 and one of the new revolvers plus have ammo money left... and have nicer pieces!
For some. I like 10mm 1911's , but I'm not interested in the TRP, but any new 10mm offering is goodness IMO.
I agree, more is good to a point. They could have offered a commander sized 10mm w/ 4" barrel and generated some buzz. This offering isn't going to appeal to those of us who already have a few 10mm 1911's.
That's it! I can't see the sales being real good.
To be fair the only other companies making full size 10mm 1911's are Armscor/RIA, Colt, Coonan, Dan Wesson, Kimber, Nighthawk, Ruger, Sig, STI, Wilson and Republic forge....And all the semi-custom and custom shops.
Quote from: Azrckcrawler on December 15 2017 07:06:03 AM MST
They could have offered a commander sized 10mm w/ 4" barrel and generated some buzz.
This. The only game in town right now for a 4" 1911 in 10mm is RIA. This is an area where some folks would have probably ponied up.
Instead they jumped into an already crowded market with a "me too" offering.
I hope it sells well, but I won't be helping those sales.
Quote from: Azrckcrawler on December 15 2017 07:06:03 AM MST
I agree, more is good to a point. They could have offered a commander sized 10mm w/ 4" barrel and generated some buzz. This offering isn't going to appeal to those of us who already have a few 10mm 1911's.
A Commander size would have been good. DW will make a 1911 10mm Valor in a Commander size for $2,500. Even if they price pointed the SA at $1,500 I think it would be a winner (without the rails)!
Always good to see new offerings. I like the 6" model with the bull barrel. It should appeal to the hunters and might fill a price niche. I don't see anything between the $1100 Remington Hunter and $2100 Bruin.
Dan Wesson Bruin or the Springfield TRP is the question.
I don't think the Remington R1 which is a rebranded Para Elite Hunter is even in the same class. I believe I can say that because I have a Elite Hunter and have handled a Bruin. I think springfield added the rails for aesthetic reasons supposedly the frame is beefed up there and would look odd without the rails.
Quote from: mr.revolverguy on December 17 2017 07:05:51 AM MST
I think springfield added the rails for aesthetic reasons supposedly the frame is beefed up there and would look odd without the rails.
I'd like to get more details on where and how they beefed it up. If it is just in the front part of the frame is that really in a stress prone area? Was it beefed up in response to evidence of premature wear in testing or in other 10mm 1911s or something else?
I can't find any magazine articles or Springfield promo material that are calling attention to special beefiness added for the 10mm variant.
It appears to me that the just picked the railed frame for these guns, probably because of a focus on the tactical and hunting markets for these guns where accessories are more common.
There is reference to it in this video. Perhaps reviewer is reading into it.
Wow....
So much fail in the first 1:30 of that video.
1. Guns commonly cracking in 20K rounds. Nope. Colt had cracking issues they resolved by removing material from the frame. Not a metallurgy issue.
2. The reason Springfield didn't make a 10mm before....Uhhh...They did. It has been a custom shop option for years.
3. This isn't just a "scaled up" 45...Yeah cause a 10mm 1911 is the same size as a 45 1911.
Sorry, I couldn't watch the rest. This guy has no clue.
Did not watch the video but using the terms scaled up 45 is a mischaracterization. The frame and slide where designed using the latest design techniques FME in that they strengthened the gun where the gun sees allot of stress due to many rounds of full house 10mm. This is a ground up design using proven parts a design of one of the most iconic handgun designs the.....1911. This much improved specifically designed weapon is by no means a comparative up scaled 45. Those who remember the early days of the 10mm it fell out favor because of epic failures due to the high level pounding caused by the big 10 top end loads. Remember the Delta Elite and Witness Bren10 frame issues? Sure heat treat etc blame it on what you want it still happened......These Springfield guns are a step above. When mine comes I will do a dimensional comparison of the slide and frame rails to prove out that in comparison to the R1 it is worth the asking price. I have several Glocks and the trigger in the 1911 is worlds better than even the best after market Glock trigger. Now do not get me wrong I like my Glocks but the comparison is almost unfair in the accuracy department. Now give me a purpose built 10mm designed around the cartridge using the advantage of the 1911 platform and you have my attention.
Ramjet, it's gonna be different. Just glancing at railed TRP pictures shows that it will measure out differently than an R1.
I wanna know how it is different than a railed TRP in 45 ACP from 3 years ago. Cause I don't think it is. I think we are hearing a bunch of fluff from guys that haven't ever inspected a TRP rail gun and are attributing the basics of that design to special MOJO for the 10mm.
More FUD that will, IMHO scare potential buyers away from the 10mm.
And, with regard to bad heat treat, but still it happened, I would point out that early Colt 1911's, pre A1, for government work also had serious frame issues. Bad heat treatment left the frames too soft. Bad manufacturing process is NOT design failure.
Quote from: sqlbullet on December 15 2017 07:44:23 AM MST
To be fair the only other companies making full size 10mm 1911's are Armscor/RIA, Colt, Coonan, Dan Wesson, Kimber, Nighthawk, Ruger, Sig, STI, Wilson and Republic forge....And all the semi-custom and custom shops.
Quote from: Azrckcrawler on December 15 2017 07:06:03 AM MST
They could have offered a commander sized 10mm w/ 4" barrel and generated some buzz.
This. The only game in town right now for a 4" 1911 in 10mm is RIA. This is an area where some folks would have probably ponied up.
Instead they jumped into an already crowded market with a "me too" offering.
I hope it sells well, but I won't be helping those sales.
You can add Fusion Firearms to that list.
I honestly was totally underwhelmed. Where the heck is that XD 10mm the CEO was blathering on about back in February. Sure hope it shows up at shot show otherwise this was a waste of time for $1800
I think some are missing the point. Another 10mm by a major manufacture will only go toward developing more factory offerings in 10mm. I have several 10s in 1911 form, 4 Nighthawks and three Dan Wessons with a custom DW round butt on the way yet once I looked at the TRP I bought it. It has a real feel for quality and it is my first rail. I may use it more as a house and car gun.
Quote from: mr.revolverguy on December 17 2017 07:05:51 AM MST
Dan Wesson Bruin or the Springfield TRP is the question.
I don't think the Remington R1 which is a rebranded Para Elite Hunter is even in the same class. I believe I can say that because I have a Elite Hunter and have handled a Bruin. I think springfield added the rails for aesthetic reasons supposedly the frame is beefed up there and would look odd without the rails.
I agree about the Para.. I would go with the Dan Wesson Bruin Which im thinking about doing
I would like to try a Rock MS 4" 10mm but i would want it for carry and not sure how much work i would have to put into it to trust it
Quote from: Bud White on December 28 2017 07:10:25 PM MST
I agree about the Para.. I would go with the Dan Wesson Bruin Which im thinking about doing
I have the Bruin and love it.
I had the Para prior to that. It was an accurate shooter and I never had reliability issues. It is certainly not fit and finished as nicely as the Dan Wesson but it is also half the price. If you are the kind on person that is going to whinge at the thought of your $2000-3000+ longslide getting beat up a little in the bush, and you don't like Glocks, the Para for 1K is a very functional option.
Having all the Glocks and several 1911s have come to the conclusion that the Glock large frame guns just are not for me. Although I have a PARA-USA Hunter I'm seriously looking at selling off the Glocks, 20, 29 and 40, and getting one of these.
The deal breaker for me is the front strap checking...I just can't stand it. All my 1911s are either smooth or just have a few ribs like the old Gold Cups. Handled one to the Springfield's yesterday and I can live with their more fishscale like frontstrap.
Quote from: Bud White on December 28 2017 07:10:25 PM MST
I would like to try a Rock MS 4" 10mm but i would want it for carry and not sure how much work i would have to put into it to trust it
I have one of the RIA guns and you don't have to do anything to it. It is just as accurate as the others and in 200+ rounds of factory and reloaded ammo have had ZERO malfunctions...truly a bargain...
As to Commander size guns, I just dropped off a 1956 .38 Super Colt Commander to be built into a 10mm...
Bob
Quote from: RJM52 on January 18 2018 07:46:12 AM MST
Having all the Glocks and several 1911s have come to the conclusion that the Glock large frame guns just are not for me. Although I have a PARA-USA Hunter I'm seriously looking at selling off the Glocks, 20, 29 and 40, and getting one of these.
The deal breaker for me is the front strap checking...I just can't stand it. All my 1911s are either smooth or just have a few ribs like the old Gold Cups. Handled one to the Springfield's yesterday and I can live with their more fishscale like frontstrap.
Quote from: Bud White on December 28 2017 07:10:25 PM MST
I would like to try a Rock MS 4" 10mm but i would want it for carry and not sure how much work i would have to put into it to trust it
I have one of the RIA guns and you don't have to do anything to it. It is just as accurate as the others and in 200+ rounds of factory and reloaded ammo have had ZERO malfunctions...truly a bargain...
As to Commander size guns, I just dropped off a 1956 .38 Super Colt Commander to be built into a 10mm...
Bob
Just popping up and wondering how you can control your 10mm follow-up shots without serious checkering. I can live without it on 9mm or 22TCM - but, it's mandatory to make a reasonable follow-up with the fiestier rounds I prefer. I think better than 90% of my control comes from front and backstrap checkering. I substituted skateboard tape to gain control of my Rock 10 while I had it.
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I think MSRP is very rarely attained on firearms. Only in those cases where the demand out paces the supply. With that said the price points on the DW Bruin is right up there.
I chuckle when I see the references to "beefed up" or "heavy duty" if you want a 10mm that fits those descriptions then the Ruger RedHawk and Blackhawk fit that bill completely. But to me those guns would best be suited being a 10MM magnum to realize thier full potential. Gary Reeder makes a 41 caliber that is a 44 mag necked down and that cartridge is real barn burner I would prefer to use that in revolver than the rimless 10.
I will get one of the Springfield 6" guns when things settle down. I just like 1911 and everyone of my Springfields are fantastic shooters and very reliable.
My collection of 10mm continues to be an obsession though as I just ordered a GrandPower 4.2" ;D
Quote from: Ramjet on January 20 2018 06:25:06 AM MST
I think MSRP is very rarely attained on firearms. Only in those cases where the demand out paces the supply. With that said the price points on the DW Bruin is right up there.
I chuckle when I see the references to "beefed up" or "heavy duty" if you want a 10mm that fits those descriptions then the Ruger RedHawk and Blackhawk fit that bill completely. But to me those guns would best be suited being a 10MM magnum to realize thier full potential. Gary Reeder makes a 41 caliber that is a 44 mag necked down and that cartridge is real barn burner I would prefer to use that in revolver than the rimless 10.
I will get one of the Springfield 6" guns when things settle down. I just like 1911 and everyone of my Springfields are fantastic shooters and very reliable.
My collection of 10mm continues to be an obsession though as I just ordered a GrandPower 4.2" ;D
With or without a decocker? I prefer with, but that is a personal opinion.