Thursday I put a deposit on a CSP from Elite Warrior Armament and received my serial number. I had a very nice phone conversation with Chuck. Speaking with him I got the impression that he is very serious about this endeavor. A June-August delivery time is estimated and price will be in line with a nice custom 1911. Given the amount of custom work over and above a custom 1911, I can live with this. The Bren Ten currently on Gun Broker is about this same price and you have to wonder if it would be a safe shooter. I plan to have a 40SW barrel, and enough spare parts purchased to last a good long time. Likely my 1006 will go up for sale as that was my Bren stand-in.
I have very high hopes this will be everything that **tor promised it would be, but never delivered. At the best I will have a newly made, shootable Bren, at the worst...well I will still be without a shootable Bren but will have given up hope.
Cool, I'm anxiously waiting to see what the finished product is and how long it takes. It would be great to finally have one to purchase after all these years.
I tried the Google to no avail... What's the CSP?
I tried Google as well. I looked up Elite Warrior Armament CSP and could only find some crappy FakeBook postings, but, nothing about what CSP is or what the initials stand for. I couldn't even find a website for Elite Warrior Armament. What gives?
If this thing is going to cost $4,000 - $5,000 (average cost of a good quality custom pistol like a Wilson Combat or NHC), I'd like to know something about what it is and if it actually is based on the Bren 10 design like the Fortis was. Or is this some bait and switch?
CSP stands for Custom Service Pistol, which was the original name before being named Bren Ten. Trade rights to the name are tied up by other entities so CSP it is. I have high hopes that this will be the shootable Bren pistol I have wanted since the 80's.
It may not hurt to hope but D&D were also very serious about their endeavor. I put deposits down on two & you know how that ended.
I have also put a deposit down on the CSP. Mine should be number 24 according to Chuck. I had a pleasant conversation with him regarding the magazines. He recently posted an update on FaceBook. I'd post a link, but I'm not to good at that.
Quote from: Sonny10MM on November 11 2017 01:14:21 PM MST
I have also put a deposit down on the CSP. Mine should be number 24 according to Chuck. I had a pleasant conversation with him regarding the magazines. He recently posted an update on FaceBook. I'd post a link, but I'm not to good at that.
Cool. I was a little quicker than you with the deposit. I got 20. Going to give it a few more months then will order a Lifeline, and a supply of magazines and kick back and wait.
I am in but haven't put a deposit down as of yet, I am in at #21 according to Chuck's email.
The work he is doing on other firearms has shown to be really outstanding, so this provides much hope and desire for the CSP.
2 years later....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Déjà_vu
Yes! the wait has been long for this one as well! Hoping I can get this before I can no longer enjoy it! Not getting any younger! ::) :-[
It's STILL going on??? OMG!
First we had the Bren Ten...Smoke and Mirrors... (yes, I drank THAT Kool-Aid)
Then there was the Peregrine Falcon and Phoenix. I have a brochure with a mailing envelope from the company... never saw a gun... my deposit disappeared when they shut their doors...
THEN there was Vltor Industries and The Fortis...and then it became The NEW Bren Ten! And a wholesaler and distributor was announced and they were taking reservations for a purchase...and nothing more than pictures were ever produced... and they stopped posting to their blog... and they stopped taking phone calls...
It's a few years later and now we have Elite Warrior Armament! WOOHOO!
I would love to see the Bren resurrected! And yet, the Bren Curse is the only thing that seems to have any life. The Elite Facebook page is shut down, they have no cyberspace presence whatsoever, and the only pistols anybody has been told about have been pre-production journalist models and R&D testing mules (has anybody REALLY seen these?). Even their "in-house built full custom" Hi Power turned out to only be FAMCO frame and slide kits that Chuck Warner finished.
I will continue to wish upon a falling star that this will be the company that brings the Bren dream to fruition, but reality keeps intruding with this gun. When it comes to this "unicorn", I fear you will be waiting a LOOOONG time.
I hope to be proved wrong but getting that same old feeling again.
Quote from: Ethang on November 21 2019 02:26:47 PM MST
I hope to be proved wrong but getting that same old feeling again.
Uhhh, maybe I'm a little more "hot headed" than y'all, but I live by a good old motto....
"Screw me once, shame on me. Screw me twice I'm gonna shove a pistol barrel up your nose until you UN-screw me...".
;D :))
Good luck...
I'd go knock on his front door.............
Yeah, at 24 months after deposit and 15 months after delivery date, I would want my money back.
I hope you didn't sell that 1006. I've been carrying one for 30 years, Mighty fine handgun.
Quote from: John C on November 18 2020 05:16:14 PM MST
I hope you didn't sell that 1006. I've been carrying one for 30 years, Mighty fine handgun.
No but at this point I have given up hope.
Quote from: Ethang on January 20 2021 03:54:42 PM MST
No but at this point I have given up hope.
Are you giving up on the CSP project?
I'm still holding on the see this through, but with the current a political climate it will be even more of a challenge!
I googled Chuck Warner Gunsmith and the results were discouraging. Lots of folks singing praises for his work and lots saying he took a lot of their money and disappeared.
Quote from: The_Shadow on January 20 2021 04:45:18 PM MST
Quote from: Ethang on January 20 2021 03:54:42 PM MST
No but at this point I have given up hope.
Are you giving up on the CSP project?
I'm still holding on the see this through, but with the current a political climate it will be even more of a challenge!
I am still on the list just getting more discouraged with each passing month. There is talk of late that his outside distractions have been taking care of and there is a manufacture to bring it to market. We shall see.
In any case I did pick up some magazines just in case. If not in a CSP they will go in a Tangfoglio next year.
Still hopeful that this starts up sometime soon...the disappointment has been the long wait for sure! But there is a saying! "Good things come to those who wait!"
Quote from: The_Shadow on January 30 2021 01:49:30 PM MST
Still hopeful that this starts up sometime soon...the disappointment has been the long wait for sure! But there is a saying! "Good things come to those who wait!"
Is your spot on the list still 21? The updated list...
I paid for one of the new Auto Mags with a promise of delivery in 90 days. It ended up being 3 years and 90 days.
I talked to the owner himself regularly and decided to stay with him, most asked for refunds and received them promptly. I was rewarded with the first two shipped from the new production facility.
I ordered one of the Laugo Aliens with a promise of delivery in 80 to 100 days. I picked it up last week, one week shot of a year.
I have a lot of Brens too and I looked at the CSP. Decided it looked too risky and stayed away. Good luck.
Quote from: Ethang on January 31 2021 03:33:31 PM MST
Quote from: The_Shadow on January 30 2021 01:49:30 PM MST
Still hopeful that this starts up sometime soon...the disappointment has been the long wait for sure! But there is a saying! "Good things come to those who wait!"
Is your spot on the list still 21? The updated list...
Yes! 21 Black Jack! I felt it to be lucky as it is the sum of 777 as well
Quote from: BEEMER! on January 31 2021 03:57:26 PM MST
I paid for one of the new Auto Mags with a promise of delivery in 90 days. It ended up being 3 years and 90 days.
I talked to the owner himself regularly and decided to stay with him, most asked for refunds and received them promptly. I was rewarded with the first two shipped from the new production facility.
I ordered one of the Laugo Aliens with a promise of delivery in 80 to 100 days. I picked it up last week, one week shot of a year.
I have a lot of Brens too and I looked at the CSP. Decided it looked too risky and stayed away. Good luck.
What is your impression of the Laugo Aliens?
As far as the Laugo Alien goes, the weather has been horrible here and I have not had a chance to shoot it. Everything is ice and cold.
The fit and finish if very good though and it is the most unique firearm design I have seen since the Glock came out.
I have talked to several who have shot them and they are very pleased with their purchase. They are still bringing between $9k and $12k on the secondary market.
Please update us all with a report after you have an opportunity to shoot it.
Thank you!
Hey-a Beemer, Looks to be an amazing pistol, for sure give us an up date when the weather breaks. -12 with a neg 35wind chill expected tonight in MN, I totally feel your pain 😊
Ken
Super Bowl Sunday started at -18 degrees.
-4 at kickoff.
There is 12" to 15" of snow is all but we got a 1/2" of rain on top of that and turned everything to ice. It is so hard and slick I can walk on top of it. Now we get about an 1" or 2" of snow every day on top of the ice.
Highs are not expected of above 10 degrees for at least 7 to 10 days.
Where in the country (generally) are you located? Sounds like frigen Minnesota, we are lookin at -10 to 20 below plus big windchills for another week. If my wife didn't have so much family in the area we'd move in a heartbeat 😊
Not far away, east central Iowa.
Did anyone look at the GB Item https://www.gunbroker.com/item/892203837 (https://www.gunbroker.com/item/892203837)
83SM00468 :o sold for $8,999.00 to Keystone Arms :o
I know the seller well, he had a huge collection of Brens.
Marc at Keystone has a huge following and I'm sure he had a customer waiting for it.
That still is an unbelievable price for a standard model albeit NOS.
Seems the Bren Curse continues. what could have been still can't seem to be...
Quote from: BEEMER! on February 15 2021 06:24:49 AM MST
I know the seller well, he had a huge collection of Brens.
Marc at Keystone has a huge following and I'm sure he had a customer waiting for it.
That still is an unbelievable price for a standard model albeit NOS.
The prices have shot way up on the original Bren Tens for sure. Some are quite staggering and possibly over priced!
Ethang The CSP's are still in limbo and it is troublesome to some extent! Not sure exactly what will come out of the predicament that he's in...
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Ethang The CSP's are still in limbo and it is troublesome to some extent! Not sure exactly what will come out of the predicament that he's in...
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that was my point... It's not in limbo it's dead. My logical side has been telling myself that for the last few years, yet I have been holding out hope even knowing better.
The Curse... continues.