Hornady makes a 200 grain hollow point that they say is for action shooting. If you read the description it says they are the XTP without the cuts in the jacket to aid in expansion.
I would use them for hogs. Any opinions on these?
What I really want is the XTP Flat Point. They are just like the HP but with a smaller opening. Most people don't know they exist. I have them for my 357 carbine but have not been able to find them for 10mm.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1165110709/hornady-action-pistol-hap-bullets-40-s-and-w-10mm-auto-400-diameter-200-grain-jacketed-hollow-point
I personally wouldn't use them on hogs. They are tough critters and hornadys ammo is anemic in the energy department. I'd recommend something from DT or Underwood.
These are hand loads so I can make them as hot as needed. Or do you mean energy transfer?
Quote from: black_hog_down on August 28 2017 04:49:15 AM MDT
Hornady makes a 200 grain hollow point that they say is for action shooting. If you read the description it says they are the XTP without the cuts in the jacket to aid in expansion.
I would use them for hogs. Any opinions on these?
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1165110709/hornady-action-pistol-hap-bullets-40-s-and-w-10mm-auto-400-diameter-200-grain-jacketed-hollow-point
What do you plan to shoot them out of?
The Hornady 200gr XTP loaded by Underwood works great against hogs in my Glock 20.
I have an AR being built by RMW extreme. Should be here next week.
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How about a JSP 38-40 bullet? Anybody using those?
the "FP" version of the xtp is only available in the .357" 125 grain and 158 grain bullets --- the FP version is intended to be used in carbine rifles with much more speed (up to 1800fps) than pistols but can still be used in a pistol with little to no expansion
for your reference, in .401--the XTP expansion thresholds are
155= 850-1300fps
180=750-1450fps
200=700-1200fps
I would think the 180 xtp would expand and still hold together well for hunting at pistol speeds with no problems
a guy over on another forums gel tested the 200gr HAP at 1153fps, it had 19.4" penetration, retained 198gr, and had an expansion size of .442" with 1 "petal" expanding out to .623" -- it tumbled in the gel block so it might work for hog hunting
to compare, the 180xtp pushed at 1290fps penetrated 13.25", retained 175grains, minimum expansion was .636" ans maximum was .898" at the pedals
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/hap-vs-xtp-hornady.1535072/
Hornady does not list any expansion velocities for the HAP as they only list it as a target bullet
just saw you are going to use them in an AR chassis--- what length barrel?
a 16" barrel gets about 100-150 fps more than a 6" barrel in testing ( http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html )so I would guess that with handloads you may reach around 1400fps with a 200grain
if you want penetration with no expansion, try the 200grain hardcast bullets from Montanna, beartooth, buffalo, grizzly, underwood, or doubletap
8" barrel.
Quote from: black_hog_down on August 28 2017 07:43:45 AM MDT
8" barrel.
probably only pick up 50fps over a 6" barrel then-- XTP or hardcast would be my choice, I personally wouldn't "tinker" with the HAP unless you already have them on hand --but thats just me
if you do try them out, please keep us posted on your results
Quote from: black_hog_down on August 28 2017 05:31:36 AM MDT
These are hand loads so I can make them as hot as needed. Or do you mean energy transfer?
Oops sorry. I was referring to their factory loads. The bullet itself is great.
I emailed Hornady a few months ago asking them about using the 200 grain HAP for better penetration than the XTP. They responded saying the performance would be better with the XTP. I assumed they meant a wider wound channel with the XTP than the HAP. I loaded up 50 200 grain XTPs and 50 200 grain Montana Bullet Works WFNPB loads. I have no doubt the hardcast will outpenetrate the XTP but the XTP ain't no slouch either. I guess it depends on what you want...expansion or penetration.
You could also downsize some 41 magnum bullets like the 215gr swift a-frame!
Can I buy the Federal JSP bullet anywhere? I see they offer it as loaded ammo but I can't find the bullets anywhere.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1001296875/federal-premium-vital-shok-ammunition-10mm-auto-180-grain-trophy-bonded-jacketed-soft-point-box-of-20
Quote from: black_hog_down on August 30 2017 03:56:25 AM MDT
Can I buy the Federal JSP bullet anywhere? I see they offer it as loaded ammo but I can't find the bullets anywhere.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1001296875/federal-premium-vital-shok-ammunition-10mm-auto-180-grain-trophy-bonded-jacketed-soft-point-box-of-20
Federal does not sell bullets for reloading...you can find some federal Pulled bullets sometimes though --- I have seen gold dot, hst, hydra shock, fusion, trophy bonded and a few others before from various "pulled bullet" vendors but they are hit or miss on what or when you can find them.
Keep an eye on Rocky Mountain Reloading and American Reloading websites. They have various Federal pulled bullets come through pretty often.
The Hornady 200 grain HAP bullet will work for hogs, just don't expect too much from expansion as it wouldn't be as uniformed. It may even colapse on one side, it could separate the core some.
As with any game animal well placed shots can make all the difference, for Mr. Pig Hog a head shot saves the edible meat from being bloodied.
I shoot HAP bullets out of my RMW 10mm all the time - 11" barrel. Some are over book (don't tell anyone)
1) They are very accurate.
2) They are damned destructive
3) I wish we had pigs to shoot, and I can dream - but my guess is they will be great.
Quote from: Pablo on August 30 2017 07:01:03 PM MDT
I shoot HAP bullets out of my RMW 10mm all the time - 11" barrel. Some are over book (don't tell anyone)
1) They are very accurate.
2) They are damned destructive
3) I wish we had pigs to shoot, and I can dream - but my guess is they will be great.
I am torn between the XTP and the HAP. The sensible side of me says to spend a few extra cents per bullet and get the XTP. The cheap side of me says get the HAP. We shoot them with 22 mag all the time with no problem. Any 10mm will do fine.
How does your RMW run? Is it picky about ammo? Did you have to tweak it to dial it in?
I reload too and will be running over book as well. [emoji44]
Quote from: black_hog_down on August 31 2017 12:15:17 PM MDT
How does your RMW run? Is it picky about ammo? Did you have to tweak it to dial it in?
I reload too and will be running over book as well. [emoji44]
Oh yeah I/we did: http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-rifles/rmw-extreme-build-it-has-begun/
Ask any questions in that thread or start a new one.
HAP reloading: http://10mm-firearms.com/reloading-10mm-ammo/memorial-day-reloading/msg67465/#msg67465
Quote from: Harleycolt on August 29 2017 08:31:49 PM MDT
You could also downsize some 41 magnum bullets like the 215gr swift a-frame!
+1
http://10mm-firearms.com/reloading-10mm-ammo/41-magnum-bullets-in-a-10mm/
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I try not to tell anybody what to do but consider the following. My little bother is a paid trapper in South Texas. He gets paid for what we pay to do. Hogs are one of his target animals along with Javalina and coyotes, sometimes cats. When it comes to hogs, they aren't nearly as hard to kill as you might think. He's decked numerous ones in the 350+lb range with a 380 Beretta. That's a 90gr FMJ bullet. Some of the shots were close, some less than 5 feet but the hog dropped like a Peterbilt landed on it. I think you might be over thinking the bullet on a hog. From the thousands of hogs we have killed over the years, penetration wins the battle. Even a lead bullet will out perform for a clean kill over a HP bullet. I wouldn't even consider an XTP for hogs- far too thin skinned with too soft of a core. There have been probably in the millions of hogs killed in the early days with lead bullets and most of those were a soft lead. For most of my hog killing pistols I carry RN plated bullets and have yet to have a hog on me or not kill the animal quickly. Again, not telling you what to do, just expressing our experience with hunting hogs.