Bullet switch... https://cuttingedgebullets.com/40-190gr-handgun-solid
Going to be trying these high dollar bullets, 190 grain Cutting Edge solid (copper)...hoping I can get them to around 1,350 fps from the 7" barrel.
They are a long bullet at .725", so the load will likely be compressed using #9, maybe not though...just have to see.
If compression becomes an issue, I'll switch to magnum primers.
Why these bullets?
I tried cast bullets (Beartooth and my own castings) once before in 45-70 and had barrel leading issues with everything but reduced loads, just didn't come away with a positive attitude towards lead bullets even though I had good instruction on it (Veral Smith, Ranch Dog, and some others...if you know those guys)...sold my casting equipment, almost all my lead, and everything...won't be doing any more casting.
But, these copper bullets have a good meplat on them, should behave just like a lead slug as far as terminal performance goes....CEB claims they went over 50" in clear ballistics gel.
Dang!
.40 190gr Handgun Solid $43.68 OUCH! :o ???
SKU HGS 40 190 50ct
Yeah, won't be shooting many of them...just using them for hunting...after sight in and load development, maybe 20 rounds per year.
It doesn't sound so bad that way :)
Interesting. The cost doesn't deter me as I am use to paying close to $50.00 a box for Barnes TTSX rifle bullets which I handload. The Cutting Edge web site says you can push these bullets to the same velocity as other 190 grain bullets. It looks like they have a pretty good sized meplat too. Aside from some additional case chamfering being needed (according to their web site) it looks like this might be a good alternative to hardcast lead.
Please post your results on here. I'd be interested to see how they do in your gun(s). I too prefer hard cast for woods defense for bears but don't like dealing with lead removal in my 10mms and particularly my revolvers. This might be a good solution. A simple application of Patchout/Wipeout may be all that is needed to remove any copper fouling...just like my rifles shooting Barnes bullets.
I've been emailing back and forth with Cutting Edge Bullets, concerning load data... They gave me some QuickLoad data that I had already come up with myself, calibrated to their bullet specs.
That's all they had, but they are adamant that any reputable load data for a similar weight bullet can be used as long as the bullet is seated per the loading instructions... That is .266" sticking out of the case, which should work fine in most any pistol with proper length brass.... It will come out to 1.25" to 1.26" overall length.
The bullets arrived today but it will be a little bit before I get there to do anything with them.
I have found that in reloading rifle calibers with the CE and other similar solid bullets with driving bands that often time they like a slightly faster powder than what you would normally use----I also find that you cant push them as fast as lead core bullets as they seem to spike pressures esrlier and they seem to loose a little accuracy at top end
I am interested to see how a pistol CE bullet relates to the info I have found with similar type rifle bullets ---I will be waiting/watching for updates as you progress as this interests me too
I'm guessing this is going to be slower than a like lead bullet.
anyone try out their 125grain raptors?
https://cuttingedgebullets.com/400-120gr-handgun-raptor
looks like they have a 150 raptor also
https://cuttingedgebullets.com/400-150gr-handgun-raptor
(This is a long bullet for a 150 grain)
13.5 grains of AA #9 is all that will fit under the CEB 190 solid... And that is very compressed, but it only produced 1,275 fps.
This bullet just doesn't have much bearing surface to get the pressure up with the slower powder, I'm gonna see what I can get out of Power Pistol next...
I have a recovered bullet that went into slate rock at 1,275 fps, it could just about be loaded and fired again...
A 190 solid @ 1,275 is no slouch!
Quote from: Benchrst on July 12 2017 05:36:25 PM MDT
A 190 solid @ 1,275 is no slouch!
No its not, but I'm hoping for more... :)
I typo'd up there, it was supposed to be 13.5 grains, I fixed it.
Look at the bearing surface...or the lack thereof...no copper fouling at all so far.
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The meplat is right at 31 caliber by the way....this bullet pretty well qualifies as an LBT style bullet, that meplat being about 78% of caliber.
Quote from: Ridgerunner665 on July 12 2017 06:23:57 PM MDT
Quote from: Benchrst on July 12 2017 05:36:25 PM MDT
A 190 solid @ 1,275 is no slouch!
No its not, but I'm hoping for more... :)
I typo'd up there, it was supposed to be 13.5 grains, I fixed it.
Kinda wondered about that, I was able to get 13.6 behind a 200gr XTP @ 1.255. Of course that's solid vs lead, RNFP vs JHP.
Following where you end up with this :)
Think 800X will end up in the mix?
Quote from: Benchrst on July 12 2017 09:06:31 PM MDT
Quote from: Ridgerunner665 on July 12 2017 06:23:57 PM MDT
Quote from: Benchrst on July 12 2017 05:36:25 PM MDT
A 190 solid @ 1,275 is no slouch!
No its not, but I'm hoping for more... :)
I typo'd up there, it was supposed to be 13.5 grains, I fixed it.
Kinda wondered about that, I was able to get 13.6 behind a 200gr XTP @ 1.255. Of course that's solid vs lead, RNFP vs JHP.
Following where you end up with this :)
Think 800X will end up in the mix?
Maybe... But I'm hoping I can get there without buying more powders.
If Longshot behaved in a manner that fit where it is on a burn rate chart it would be great... But it don't.
the reason they use the driving bands in the solids is so that the speeds can be a bit higher and you can load them with like weight re-load data---if they added more bearing surface then you would spike your pressures early while trying to "engrave" the rifling (due to the harder core) so they couldn't be driven as fast --- all forms of monolithic copper bullets use some sort of "driving bands" in one way or another---if you can find a "wave style" driving band solid, they should be able to be driven just a bit faster than the "cut/square face" driving bands bullets --- each company retains their own patents on the designs of the bands though
ridgerunner whats the COL with 13.5grs of A#9 ?
I just got theses in the mail today ;)
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Let the Seal Tite band tell you that... Seat it with the band snugged up to the case mouth.
With my brass at .988" - .989", the band seated as described above, leaving the bullet sticking out .266" as CEB recommends.... The overall length comes to ~1.255".
If you haven't already, read the instructions on CEB's website.... The instructions on seating and case mouth chamfering are very important.
13.5 grains will be very compressed, they'll likely settle around 1.26" maybe 1.265".... They fed fine for me at that length though.
That is with new Starline brass, other makes may vary a little in one direction or the other.
Ridge, I havent had a chance to look at CEB's website, but will soon and before I reload...thanks for the info..;)
You're welcome, below is the link.
https://cuttingedgebullets.com/reloading-instructions
I'm on my way home for a couple of days so I'll have some Power Pistol and Longshot data this weekend.
Picture to illustrate where to place the SealTite band...
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Nice! Interested in the results! :D
Ridge, thanks for the pic, you must have read my mind, I was going to ask for one ;)...Im gunna load some up but wont be able to get out and shoot for awhile
Looking forward to your results as well....
8.4 grains of Power Pistol = 1,177 fps
8.4 grains of Longshot = 1,178 fps.
No surprise there, that they matched.... Every load I've tried with those powders is grain for grain, fps for fps.
I have a few rounds loaded with 8.9 grains of Longshot to test next.
Summary.... Using any other 190 grain load data with these bullets is safe....VERY safe.... Like about 25,000 psi with max listed load safe... I've used Lee and Alliant data.
Remember, I'm using a 7" barrel.
After those 8.9 grain loads mentioned above, I fully expect to have to venture into unknown territory with these bullets, they don't build pressure like other bullets, I'm leaning towards using 180 grain data with them, carefully.
I'm measuring case head expansion, I figure thats the most reliable indicator of pressure I have at my disposal.
8.9 grains of Longshot = 1,243 fps.
Still no case head expansion, but based on the appearance of the cases I am just getting into the proper pressure for the powder to burn like its supposed to.
Primers say the same thing, they're looking like the primers on my 12.6 grains of AA9 with 200 XTP loads.
Up next.... 9.2 grains of Longshot.
9.2 grains of Longshot = 1,285 fps....a smile on the brass, and some case head expansion.
Looks like that's as far as Longshot will shoot.
Viht N105 maybe....
I think before I buy a pound of powder, I'm gonna try AA #9 with magnum primers...
50 mag primers doesn't cost much to try.
So far, nothing has come close to the speed I got with #9... At least not without pressure signs.
Those must be fairly long, being solid copper, even though they are not HP's. What is the Total length on them?
The power bands help to reduce the friction but being long takes up powder space with increased pressures.
Length is .723"
9 grains of Longshot would likely be a safe max with this bullet in my barrel... And would be right around 1,265 fps.
9.2 grains was just getting into compression, not heavily compressed... But the bullet was sitting on the powder.
The smile I got at 9.2 is not a bad one in my opinion...But it is visible.
I still think they could get up to a little over 1,300 fps in the 7" barrel... If I can find the right powder burn speed.
#9 is a tad too slow... Ran out of room before I hit pressure, mag primers might make a difference.
Longshot and Power Pistol are a little too fast...
I'm thinking 13.2 grains of #9 with a mag primer might be about as good as it gets with these.
Maybe 13.4 grains.... Just have to see if 13.4 will push the bullet back out sitting on the shelf.
13.2 is pretty compressed, 13.4 is even more compressed.
One thing is for certain.... Setback won't be an issue.
I would be interested in hearing the differences between CCI 300 and CCI 350 primers in 10mm.... In regards to velocity differences with the same powder charges.
Great info ridge!!...thanks for the leg work and results ;)
Im going to start with A#9 since I have a lot of it with CCI 350 mag primers...If I can get 1200FPS out of 5 inch Barrel and good groups, Ill be happy
Quote from: Ten Ten on July 23 2017 06:33:17 PM MDT
Great info ridge!!...thanks for the leg work and results ;)
Im going to start with A#9 since I have a lot of it with CCI 350 mag primers...If I can get 1200FPS out of 5 inch Barrel and good groups, Ill be happy
Now its your turn, I gotta go back to work tomorrow so it'll be a week or 3 before I get anything else done.
Let us know how it goes.
Looking over Benchrst's 10mm data, what I needed to know was right there staring at me the whole time... I just wasn't looking for it until now.
He shows a load with the same charge of #9 under a 200 grain XTP, but one with a CCI 300 and one with a CCI 350.
The magnum primer produced 116 fps more than the standard primer.
Thanks for the Bullet length info...
QuoteLength is .723"
Longer than the 200 gr JHP's which are about 0.6800".
Did you try the Magnum Primer with the Longshot Loads? The extra boost with a lees powder charge could bring about some results. However your results are still very noble! 8)
No... I don't have any magnum primers yet.
Got a brick of CCI 350's yesterday, loaded 3 rounds with 12.4 grains of #9 for starters.
May get to shoot them this weekend.
Quote from: Ridgerunner665 on July 12 2017 06:36:29 PM MDT
....this bullet pretty well qualifies as an LBT style bullet, ...
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I am from the San Francisco area, and when I see those letters it means a certain thing.
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I'm am from the mountains of east Tennessee...
Around here LGBT means liquor, guns, bacon, and titties.
LBT means Lead Bullets Technology... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.lbtmolds.com/&ved=0ahUKEwjT8dH2ir7VAhVB04MKHaBKDFsQFgglMAA&usg=AFQjCNHW6-M1i5Jbg8R5nZEgUPbG8OcnAQ
I seem to hit a wall at about 1,275 fps no matter what powder and primer combo I use...
Quote from: Ridgerunner665 on August 06 2017 05:59:36 PM MDT
I seem to hit a wall at about 1,275 fps no matter what powder and primer combo I use...
That sounds great for a long copper 190gr. ;)
I'm gonna pick back up testing these bullets.... As soon as I get a jug of blue dot.
Gentleman-
I worked for CEB when we developed these bullets, and was in charge of all reloading, expansion, penetration, and accuracy testing. I also recommended all bullet weights for every caliber, including the solids.
Testing with the 10mm was very impressive. Shooting into Clear Ballistic Gel, I received the following results, from a stock Glock 20:
1. 120 HG Raptor- blades went 6+ inches, and the Blunt Trauma Base, around 16". These are meant for personal defense.
2. 155 Barnes X- penetrated around 18" if I remember correctly.
3. 150 HG Raptor- blades same distance as the 120 Raptor, but the base did 24", as they are meant for hunting.
4. 200 Hornady XTP at full power, expanded nicely, and penetrated 20"
5. The 190 HG Solid...Was loaded to around 1,050 fps. To be sure, I lined up three, 17" blocks of Clear Ballistic Gel, AND placed a foot-long section of 2x6 pine, flat against the far end of the last gel block. This was all I could fit on top of the concrete bench I was shooting across. The 2x6 barely stayed in place, held mostly by the "stickyness" of the gel.
At the shot, the 2x6 fell off the end, because even the last 17" block "jiggled" at the shot. So I walk past the 3 blocks, stepping to the far side of the table to pick up the fallen 2x6...and found it to have a quarter-inch deep dent in the face, mirroring the nose of the bullet, which was against the last gel block!
Stunned, I turned to see at my face level, at the exit end of that last block, and saw the 190 HG Solid was sticking half-way out the block!!! If it hadn't been for the 2x6, it would have exited 51" of Clear Ballistic Gel!
And remember, this was at only 1,050 fps...so no need to worry about thinking you need to get too much more speed with this bullet!
And yes, because they are longer than conventional bullets, you need to use a lighter charge weight than you would with cast or jacketed bullets, AND faster burning powders, to be abke to get enough propellant energy in the case.
Best regards, Alasken
PS- when the owner was going whitetail hunting, I loaded up 150 gr. HG Raptors to almost 2,000 fps in his Super 14 Contender .44 Magnum, using Blue Dot powder. At 104 yards, all four blades made it to the far side on a broadside shot, and the Blunt Trauma Base exited! They penetrate all out of proportion to their "less than traditional" weights. Good shooting!
Thank you sir for that info!
What did the permanent cavity look like for the 190 solid at that speed?
Pretty much like the cavity of other flat point, non-expanding bullet. That was not the focus of the test, but to compare depth of penetration. A customer from California had called, and complained about 155 X-bullet penetration performance in Lead-free, CA, so I tested the listed bullets for comparison.
Got some Blue Dot finally... Testing with the 190 CEB solid to resume shortly.
Using a 7" KKM 10mm Match barrel in the G40, I got 1326 fps at 10' through the Pro Chrono with the 190gr CEB Solid, which equates to about 1336 fps ~ 1340 fps mv, depending on which muzzle velocity calculator is used.
Starline Brass (Unfired) sized through RCBS die .988"
CCI 300 Primer
8.9 gr Power Pistol
Taper Crimp .419"
190gr CEB Solid @ 1.254" COAL
At 8.9 gr PP, the CCI primer showed more than the usual flattening, but no case head breech face/ejector marks, or primer piercing/sooting. Fired case head measured .426", max case bulge .428".
After working up a max load with Power Pistol, I read that Power Pistol may have a blinding flash in low light ... not so good for a Bear Defense load. I'll have to give this a try at dark on my local pistol range. If the flash is too much, next try is BE-86 flash suppressed version of Power Pistol.
After reading Alasken's comments on penetration, a bit lower muzzle velocity, which is what I expect with BE-86, might be a good trade-off to get less flash.
Loaded 3 at 8.5 grains of Blue Dot just to see where I'm at in the load data, since I'm using the mag primers.
They chrono'd 1,075 fps from the 7 inch barrel and sooted the case mouth a bit, indicating a very mild load and incomplete powder burn.
Gonna try 9 grains next...
Blue Dot spiked pretty good at 9.5 grains (1,170 fps)... No smiles, but VERY flat primers... Spooked me.
I stopped there and backed up and retested Longshot with the new chrono and the 20# spring...
9 grains of Longshot, CCI 300 primer...1,286 fps at 25 feet... That is 1,305 fps at the muzzle and no signs of pressure anywhere. Primers look good, brass looks good, case head measurements are all within spec.
I am gonna try 9.2 grains again, just to double check to see if I still get the slight smiles with the 20 pound spring....
Yes Longshot really get things moving along! Thanks & Good luck!
9.2 grains of Longshot retested...
1,309 fps at the muzzle and put a distinct smile on 2 of the 3 rounds fired.
Question for those of you with more experience using Longshot than me... Considering 9.2 grains as a little too hot, how far would you back down to call it a safe load?
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8.8 grains of Longshot should be a good load...BTW what is the total length of that Cutting Edge 190 grain copper solid bullet?
The solid copper being lighter than lead is usually longer by weight...therefore that length occupies case capacity and that's where the pressure is spiking upwards.
The bullet is .723" long
The 200 grain XTP is only 0.677" - 0.6810"
The Barnes 155 is 0.732"
8.8 takes me all the way back down to 1,275 fps...
Not really what I had in mind...I guess maybe I might just have to stick with jacketed bullets.
I'm gonna work with 9 grains a little more before calling it done though, feel it out a bit and see if I see any signs of pressure spikes at that charge.
Quote from: The_Shadow on April 01 2018 02:31:52 PM MDT
The 200 grain XTP is only 0.677" - 0.6810"
The Barnes 155 is 0.732"
And the 200 grain Nosler is .675"...
Sux....
I really wanted to like the CEB bullet.
I may have 146 or so of them for sale soon, if anybody is interested...
Some of the Solids have power bans that help to relieve the frictional values somewhat. The balance is going to be touchy but still a 190 grain moving at 1275 fps is still a great performance. Then you could just load them at the upper limits with the thoughts of not reusing the brass...
Yeah...I have no interest in reusing this brass anyway.
This gun isn't a range toy for me, so no high volume shooting.
The CEB is banded, not a lot of bearing surface on it at all...
I figured somebody would have made a 200 grain bonded bullet by now... Designed for hunting (not the Gold Dot).
I got irritated at Hornady because they didn't have XTP's when I needed them... But when I looked just now there were in stock... I ordered 1,000 so that should last me a few years.
If anybody wants the 190 grain Cutting Edge Bullets.... I'll sell the 146 I have left for $100 shipped... That is a lot cheaper than they sell for.
2 unopened boxes, and one box with 4 bullets used out of it.
I just orders some of these bullets to load in the 10mm and .45 ACP. I'm going to shoot them in some Clear Gel and see how deep they go. I will probably use Longshot because thats what I have that would be the most suitable.
I have become a fan of Power Pistol with my 7" KKM in my Glock model 40 MOS. Good velocities with my Gas Checked 200 WFN. I actuall crimp a .416 Gas Check on these bullets. I have no leading even from my Kriss or my 18" G2 carbine barrel.
Did you try Power Pistol ???
Quote from: Ramjet on April 02 2018 07:23:15 PM MDT
I have become a fan of Power Pistol with my 7" KKM in my Glock model 40 MOS. Good velocities with my Gas Checked 200 WFN. I actuall crimp a .416 Gas Check on these bullets. I have no leading even from my Kriss or my 18" G2 carbine barrel.
Did you try Power Pistol ???
Yes... It performed exactly like Longshot.
I shot some of these 190gr CE bullets today and had disappointing result. I used a starting load of 8.5gr of Longshot and it was showing signs of pressure, slightly flat primers and smiley faces. The average velocity was 1135fps with a high of 1151fps and a low of 1126fps. This is through a Delta Elite. I'm either going to have to find another powder or drop the charge. One thing I noticed was that my firing pin hits were a little off center so I may have other issues going on.
5pins, there are several things to consider, CE 190's are long, those velocities are not bad for that loading. Therefore longer COL's and slightly less powder 8.2 - 8.4 can help lower pressures. The COL's can be checked as they're stacking inside the magazine. Seat them without any crimp when testing magazine stacking fit, this is so you can come back and adjust if necessary.
Originally 45ACP FMJ Ball was loaded to 1.2700" but when you start using flat point, Truncated Cone or Hollow Point those COL's will be shorter to allow feeding without binding inside the magazine. 10mm ammo when first came to market were TC and HP designs and 1.2600" was considered max for this reason. However some firearms can use slightly longer COL's to help keep pressures a little lower.
Then you also need to consider the chamber support of your firearm, being a 1911 Colt DE, this can be problematic with respect to upper end loading. These chambers have shown lack of support for as much as 200 degrees around the chamber and not just the feed ramps.
Some brass is softer than others and this can contribute to expanding and SMILES with lack of support. New Starline brass is softer because it is a handloaders brass that could be reused several times before work hardening makes it less malleable and stiffer.
If you don't mind sacrificing the brass with these bullets load them like you are doing. If it were me I'd load them hand weighed with 8.4 grains of Long Shot at 1.2620" COL. and be satisfied with the results and possibly having to toss the brass afterwards...
Yeah, 1,130 - 1,150 fps with those bullets from a 5 inch barrel is moving right along.
I'd back them down to 1,100 fps and call it good if the accuracy was there.
But I understand wanting more speed, I did too... Just couldn't quite get there with any powder I tried, not even from a 7 inch barrel.
Perhaps I'm expecting too much from them in this gun. I'm going to drop the down to 8.3gr and see how that works. I'm using new Starline brass.
I'm also trying this bullet in the 200gr .45 and I need to up the charge to 8.3gr also so that should make loading some up tonight easier.
I did pick up some Blue Dot last week and maybe I'll give it a try later but for now, I will just try some more of the Longshot tomorrow.
I tried Blue Dot, it spiked way too early...
I reduced the load to 8.3gr of longshot but got an increase of velocity to an average 1160fps. I'm still showing signs of over pressure, maybe even more.
I dropped down to 8.0gr and got an average velocity of 1102fps a high of 1121fps and a low of 1077fps. Still showing signs of pressure but not as much. I will load two more up with this load to shoot in gel but that will be it until some different brass and maybe a new recoil spring.
Had a chance to shoot them through the gel this morning. Very impressive results.
The first round had a velocity of 1104fps and penetrated the first three 16 inch blocks and stopped two and a quarter inches into the forth for a total penetration of 50.25 inches of gel. The second bullet hit the gel at 1118fps and had a total penetration of 52.75 inches. The brass showed very little signs of pressure, so I would consider this load very safe for a Colt DE. I will probably take the bullets I have left and load them with this load.
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I also shot the CE 200gr in .45ACP. here is the link if you want to read about how they did.
http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-hunting/230-grain-45-vs-200-grain-10mm-penetration-and-for-bears-hogs/msg74226/#new (http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-hunting/230-grain-45-vs-200-grain-10mm-penetration-and-for-bears-hogs/msg74226/#new)
Quote from: Ridgerunner665 on April 09 2018 01:16:29 PM MDT
Yeah, 1,130 - 1,150 fps with those bullets from a 5 inch barrel is moving right along.
I'd back them down to 1,100 fps and call it good if the accuracy was there.
But I understand wanting more speed, I did too... Just couldn't quite get there with any powder I tried, not even from a 7 inch barrel.
Ridgerunner - have you done anymore with the 190. i am going to get a box to load this year. I have quite a few powders but was wondering if you tried Longshot and VV3N38. Usually all I load is mild for use at a range. My carry rounds are just a bit under max. But this bullet I was hoping to exceed 600 ft. lb. 650 would be great. I joined after reading allot of your post. I know this is old thread but if you get this any info is welcome.
I think I have a box of these bullets, or maybe their HP for my 10, I can't remember. But, I did load their 300 grain solid in my 454 casull. Shot through a Honda cylinder block. Looked almost like yours, but had a small dent on the front.
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I've been lurking through this site since I got my G20SF for pulldown information, etc. and it's been very helpful. Because of the information, I was able to determine that Longshot was the best powder for reloading my 220 grain Ibejiheads in 10mm.
I have a StormLake 5.3" ported barrel installed in my G20SF. When I examined the brass that was shot in the stock barrel, I determined that I didn't want to experiment with fast loads with the stock barrel. My friend has a StormLake 4.6" barrel installed in his G20SF and I gain ~20 fps over his barrel, due to the extra length before the first port releases the gas.
We started experimenting with Longshot behind the 190 grain Cutting Edge bullet, but the speed maxed out at 1,082 fps once the amount of Longshot passed 7.7 grains. 8.0 grains and 8.5 grains of Longshot did nothing to add speed to the bullet, the bang was just louder.
Reading this thread, it seemed that we should try a powder with a speed between Longshot and 800-X to drive these Cutting Edge 190 grain bullets. We had some CFE Pistol around, so we ran a ladder of 6.5, 7.0, 7.5 and 8.0 grains using Winchester LPP and new *-* brass. All of the primers and brass looked the same, so we don't think we've hit the limit yet.
The average speed we got through the 5.3" ported barrel with 8.0 grains of CFE Pistol was 1,190 fps.
We're going to try 8.2 and 8.4 grains of CFE Pistol the next time we have a chance to see if we can get the speed over 1,200 fps without flattening the primers. I'll report back when we get a chance to test again.
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choo2x, Welcome to the forum and thanks for your range report. I was looking at Buffalo Bore having these bullets in their ammo just the other day! Haven't had a chance to see what's inside them yet!
Best regards and enjoy the forum! :D
Thanks. I'm looking forward to what you find during your pulldown.
The bullet BB is using isn't the Cutting Edge bullet. It has a different ogive and is made by Lehigh. It looks interesting.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=571
Is there any advantage of using these CE 190gr bullets over the 200 gr MBW WFN.
Well some places have a band on lead bullets of any kind! California is one of those states... :'(