10mm-Auto

Rumor has it they will offer the tactical II in 10mm very soon.

Should look about like this:  https://us.armscor.com/products/1911-tactical-a2-fs-45acp (https://us.armscor.com/products/1911-tactical-a2-fs-45acp)

Single stack 1911, 8+1, ambi-safety, high ride grip safety, ramped barrel.

http://www.galleryofguns.com/Genie/Default.aspx?item=51918&mfg=Armscor&mdlno=Rock+Island+Armory+M1911-A1+FS+Tactical+II (http://www.galleryofguns.com/Genie/Default.aspx?item=51918&mfg=Armscor&mdlno=Rock+Island+Armory+M1911-A1+FS+Tactical+II)

Well it would be yet another 1911 platform, even with the ramp feed supported barrel.  They better make that thing to handle true 10mm and not watered down stuff at 40S&W or worst 45ACP......... ???  Time will tell and show!

A price of around $700 seems alright, but that's assuming it's worth buying in the first place.

And like The_Shadow said;  "make that thing to handle true 10mm"

If Kimber can do it I fail to recognize the issue with the other 1911 style manufacturers.  The last thing this world needs is another 10mm platform that can't handle an honest 10mm load.

These days it seems Armscor has a pretty good rep among the eastern rim frame makers.  I don't have any huge concerns about the frames standing up if the usual precautions of flat bottom firing pin stop and 25-27 lb mainspring are in place.

The slides...Well, even the best 1911 slides don't deal as well over 30K rounds of 10mm versus say 45 acp.  Nothing can really be done about that either.  You can't contain twice the pressure without either changing the spec or reducing the service life.  Still, give me the base gun at this price, and in 20K rounds add an STI slide at the first major overhaul.

I agree.....recently looked at a RIA government model. The slide to frame fit was tighter than a much more expensive Springfield in the same shop. This was a 45 cal but their new models seem to be much improved from a few years ago. IIRC the price was about half the cost of the Springfield.

It would almost be a slap in their own face if they don't put a good barrel in it. Put on our ammo "not for unsupported chamber" and then offer a 10mm pistol like that? They would hear a lot of crap over that one!

Good point Intercooler.I shoot their stuff out of the Witness Compact,every box has stick on warning.

The specs say a ramped barrel.  I would be surprised if it doesn't have pretty decent support.

The RIA 10mm is now available at Cheaper Than Dirt. $599

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/GUN-51918

Deadguy I hate you!

You are going to make me want one of these  :o

Well I looked at picture #2 and the air went out of the sails. It's all billboarded up!

I hate that as well. Little cold blue could fix it!

Also checked CTD's shipping and they won't ship it here. Never had a problem with any other place so check your State.

I sent a note to Armscor to see if you can special order without the writing. Believe it or not that is a big deal breaker with me!

   It says bull barrel. That's different than any other 10mm I know of. Also bushingless so does that mean it is built like the 1006?

The 3rd gen S&W's have a fixed nylon bushing in the slide (replaceable) and their barrels have the ball machined on the end of the barrel that holds center of the bushing!   Those bull barrels are cut to replace the entire bushing therefore bushingless.

Hopefully someone here buys one and tears it down for some measurements and pictures for us.

I spoke to my FFL today and will try to get 1 by next week---if all goes smoothly.


Sean

Quote from: The_Shadow on November 30 2012 01:19:59 PM MST
The 3rd gen S&W's have a fixed nylon bushing in the slide (replaceable) and their barrels have the ball machined on the end of the barrel that holds center of the bushing!   Those bull barrels are cut to replace the entire bushing therefore bushingless.

The bushing on the Smith isn't nylon..It's stainless.    It's replaceable but technically only by a Smith and Wesson armorer.

So the other 10mm board has it set to where you can't link to CheaperThanDirt? Hmmm  :-\

 Oh man im drooling.But hey look on the positive side,a new introduced 10mm.Glass half full or glass half empty,that's the question. :P

I've had 2 of the RIA 1911's, the plain-jane 1911 in 45ACP was so nice I went back a couple days later and got a Tactical.  I liked it enough to make it my EDC for a couple years, I recently sold it to my BIL 'cuz he wanted it pretty bad, and I got a new Springfield Stainless.  RIA has been a pleasant surprise, and they seem to know what they're about, somebody there has a good grasp of what shooters want.

The "Linkless" design, IIRC was originally put forth by Peters-Stalh in the 80's, and has been used on a lot of good guns since, including all four of my Witnesses. 

A RIA in 10mm flavor :o
Cant believe I missed this post but better late than never.

Has anyone bought one yet? 

I think Sean (475/480) has one on order.  They have only been actually available for about 2 days now.

Yes, paid for , has not shipped yet.
I will start with 135 gr Noslers at 1350-1450 fps and 150gr Nosler HP's at 1300-1370 fps. Then work up too 180-200gr HP's. It is hunting season here in Texas so it will take few weeks , a lot of deer and hogs out there :D.
Took this hog Saturday under a full moon walking out to the stand, TC Encore 277 GNR (405 Win necked down to 270) - 150gr Accubond at 2760 fps.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x150/475480/GoliadHog12-3-2012003.jpg

Sean

Quote from: sqlbullet on December 02 2012 08:35:04 AM MST
I think Sean (475/480) has one on order.  They have only been actually available for about 2 days now.

Sean, congrats on the little piggy!  Also on the Armscor 10mm Tactical II, be glad to hear your review when you put it thru its work out!

Here it is. Good job on the pics!

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19700206#post19700206

Interesting firing pin stop.  Same effect as an aggresive radius, since the fulcrum is moved to give the slide more advantage over the hammer.  Definitely needs a flat bottom stock in my opinion.

Otherwise, about what I expected based on recent reports of Armscor guns.

Their are enough things about it that I won't ever own one. I pointed them out in there but it's a $600 pistol, not like my DW at all.

I would have one on the way already if I wasn't worried about our home addition costs getting out of control.  I just home they are still available in 6 months when we are done.

I was set to buy one but I need a compact 10 for carry than another full size (the Match is still serving me well).
However I do hope more manufacturer's finally see that there is a market for 10's thus giving us more buying options.

Mine has shipped . Tracking shows my FFL should get it today.I might get it this afternoon..

Sean

Pins and needles!

anxious to hear your thoughts and see pics once you get it  ;)

Armscor gets an "E" for effort I suppose...However I am looking for something that is NOT a 1911 COPY!

In case you missed it detailed pictures were posted on page 2.


  The first review of live-fire had two FTF. The ramp is rough and RIA is shipping them with a 14lb spring. The owner was going to work the ramp and put an 18-20lb spring and try again.

Hmm.Reminds me when i first got my Witness Compact.Ramp was rough,cheap like,and of course the 14lb spring.EAA placed a much better barrel in and ramp was smooth,not sharp.FTF issue mitigated.Their making 10's without doing homework or up to date,IMHO.

 ;D All recieved in good order and well oiled.
A quick inspection showed NO movement in the frame/slide fit, kinda funny no basepad on the magazines (easily fixed). I like the finish and VZ grips look good together.
I am going deer/hog hunting this weekend but will take some 200gr  cast bullet loads with me and see if they will run in the RIA.


Sean

  I just ordered one today.

Price is right.  We shall see how it turns out.

 I was able to get to the range Sunday after church for a quick shooting session.
I had Wolff 18.5 and 20.0 lb recoil springs at the house, I installed the 20.0lb spring . I shot offhand at a 2" shoot N-C dot at 10 yards.
All handloads- 200gr cast at 1000 fps , Nosler 180 gr HP's at 1280 fps and some 135 gr Nosler's at 1450 fps . The only FTF was with the Nosler 135gr HP's ( these were handloads for my G20 SF- reloaded mutiple times) so I really have no complaints.
Accuracy was very good with the 200gr cast and 180gr Noslers , easily hitting the 2" dot when I did my part. Trigger needs a little work, I will get a trigger job done, 4lb or so.



Sean

Good to hear.  Sounds like a solid performer so far.

About time we had a sub $800 1911 option in 10mm.

Quote from: sqlbullet on December 10 2012 08:35:18 AM MSTAbout time we had a sub $800 1911 option in 10mm.

I was thinking the same.

I think I will wait until someone has put a little more time on theres before I jump. I want to see how they hold up.

Not that it matters, but isn't RIA using a cone barrel as opposed to a bull barrel?

Yes , they would probably say a cone/bull barrel  ::)

Sean

Quote from: EdMc on December 11 2012 07:47:29 PM MST
Not that it matters, but isn't RIA using a cone barrel as opposed to a bull barrel?

Maybe you guys could clarify for some of us.  I can't find any consensus in a my google-foo of a big difference between a cone and bull barrel unless you are talking about compensated weapons, or some sort of blast wafer on the front of the barrel.

Otherwise in 1911's it seems the two terms are pretty interchangeable.

Clearly I am missing something.

IMHO , A true bull barrel should be full-bull from chamber to front sight .
As noted the RIA  starts as a smaller diameter barrel at the chamber and goes to bull (cone shape) at the front .

Sean

Quote from: sqlbullet on December 12 2012 07:47:04 AM MST
Maybe you guys could clarify for some of us.   

If the link works, scroll down to 'Barrels'. The same as Sean says above. ;D On edit: under 1911 Related click on barrels.

http://www.harrisoncustom.com/FAQ.aspx

Can't be full diameter the entire lenght, else the action wouldn't function.

The link EdMc provided clears it up.  Bull barrels are full diameter on the bottom half. The top is still tapered to allow the barrel and slide to have the play needed to cycle. That makes sense.  I guess I have just never paid that much attention.

The picture of the barrel over at Glock talk shows it to be of a constant diameter at the bottom.  It would be a true bull barrel based on that photo.

Alright already.......sold the Glock 31 today and ordered the RIA 10. I hope its worth the money. I love customizing to suit my wants/desires so sticking some $ into it doesnt bother me. Oh, by the way, CTD is shipping from 2 different warehouses and cost at A was$599; cost from C was $553.73. Shipping to my FFL was the same (10.95). We shall see.
Dennis

I'm following experiences with this gun.

I have a Glock 29, but I'm not a Glock fan. However, it has been the best option for a woods carry/airplane travel gun. If I fall in a creek or an airline loses it, it can be easily replaced. Custom 1911's require year(s) to replace.

With my rigs, a 1911 conceals better than a Glock and I'm considering the RIA to take the place of the G29.

Happy to see another entry for this caliber. Liked how the Cheaper than Dirt page has the words "chambered in the sought after 10mm".

Yes, my intention was to use the RIA to replace my G20 as my edc gun and move the G20 to home defense and get a G20SF as my range blaster. I'll see what happens after I run 500-600 rounds thru the RIA and what the brass looks like for reloading.
Dennis

I picked up my RIA 10MM today and thought I would share some observations and ask a few questions.

I am going to talk about the Cons that I encountered first. The pros will come after I take it to the range.

No instruction for the 10MM. The little instruction booklet that came with the 10MM was for a standard 1911 with barrel bushing etc. This pistol has no barrel bushing and requires the "paper clip" in the guide rod to remove the barrel. Lucky for me I have a Kimber that requires the same "paper clip", so I had an idea as to how to disassemble. RIA did not send a "paper clip" so I used the one supplied by Kimber.

The first thing I wanted to do was clean it up and change the recoil spring to 20 lbs. This was a little more difficult than I thought. With the Kimber, you lock the slide back, insert the "paper clip" in the hole in the guide rod and slide it apart. With this RIA, locking the slide back does not reveal the hole in the guide rod. You have to remove the slide, then with your thumbs, toes and lap, push the guide rod completely forward till it bottoms out and exposes the "paper clip" hole. Then with your third hand, place the "paper clip" in the guide rod hole. Easy with the supplied 14 lb spring, not so much with a 20 lb spring.

The thumb safety is very sharp, it needs to be eased and have the edges smoothed or replaced. Like I said, I haven't fired it yet, but I'm pretty sure that after few hundred 10mm rounds I will start to notice these sharp edges more and more.

The barrel was full of copper, lots of copper. Never seen a pistol barrel that badly fouled. Earlier today I soaked the bore in Wipe-Out for a few hours and patched out a ton of blue. Just patched out my second Wipe-Out treatment and the blue is still there. Going to let soak over night and patch it out in the morning. If three treatments can't get it out I don't know what can.

Question is why so much copper fouling. Are RIA barrels that rough that they strip that much copper off the jacket? What would happen if I were to shoot lead?

I'm not totally sure I am taking this thing apart the most efficient way, my thumbs hurt. Does any know of an instruction sheet for disassembly and reassembly of this new 10MM?

Thanks

I called RIA today and talked to a couple Smiths. The hole in their guide rod measure the same as mine, about 2 inches. He said that is incorrect and they will fix the problem and send me a new guide rod.

He said they fire three full mags through the pistol before it is shipped out. I told him that the amount of copper in the barrel was unacceptable after a thousand rounds let alone 24. He agreed and told me to go ahead and shoot some jacketed ammo through it and see if the copper returns, if it does then a new barrel is in order.

I hate having to contact customer service like this, but I am actually getting used to it. My DW had the chamber cut wrong and had to be reamed, My EAAs have multiple issues from bad barrels to cracked slides (four to be exact), My Colt AR had the barrel nut so tight it could not be remove, even by Colt themselves and the list goes on.
I was very pleased with the way Armscor handled it. Polite, courteous, and very helpful. They even called me back a couple times with more helpful advice and info.

Next, Range report.

I got a chance to shoot this thing today, so I thought I would post some comments and some photos.

  The range/target.  Windy, snow and rain at 25 yards off a sand bag.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/target.jpg)

  The shooter, had his company Christmas Party last night and was a little under the weather.  Yes, I was the guy with the lamp shade on his head.

  The ammo was 48 rounds of handloads, 180gr Zero Brand TC powered by 8.2gr Silhouette.

  20 lb recoil spring.

  The first 8.  Feed and fired without a single hiccup.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/First8.jpg)

  The barrel was completely clean and clear of all copper before the range trip.  Barrel after the first 8 rounds.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/Copperafter8.jpg)

  The grips are rather aggressive and will be changed with a nice White Bone grip.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/Griphand.jpg)

16 rounds. No feeding firing issues.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/16.jpg)

24 rounds.  No feeding firing issues.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/24.jpg)

32 rounds. No feeding firing issues.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/32.jpg)

40 Rounds. still no issues.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/40.jpg)

And the last 8 rounds for a total of 48 with no feeding or firing isses whatsoever.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/48.jpg)

  Brass ejected in a nice little easy to find pile.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/brass.jpg)

Thanks for the photos and evaluation Steve. The grips are that aggressive or you were just "shooting thru the pain"? I get to pick mine up Tue. Cant wait to play.
Dennis

I might wait to see any issues get ironed out

Might be harder to get now that CTD doesn't sell anymore.  You will have to find a dealer that will order one for you, and the price probably just went up.

Quote from: sqlbullet on December 19 2012 08:00:08 AM MST
Might be harder to get now that CTD doesn't sell anymore.  You will have to find a dealer that will order one for you, and the price probably just went up.

  I will not purchase anything from CTD ever again.  Even if they reinstate their firearms sales. F Em.

Picked up my RIA 10mm yesterday and went to the range.
Overall impressions: slide is TIGHT fit to frame and functions well after cleaning (it was dripping oil/presevative when removed from shipping bag) As Steve showed, the grips are AGGRESSIVE and will let you know it when firing. Sight picture is nice with the red FO front. My recoil rod has the 1.9" hole that it is a pain to use. Their gunsmith said that was being changed but didnt want to send a replacement. The barrel showed heavy copper smears when I recieved it. After cleaning and firing 100 rounds showed substantial coppering. If it doesnt clean up after a couple of 100 more rounds I'll call them back and "let them know whats happening". Havent tested accuracy off the bench yet. Had 3 different shooters try it (all experienced competitors) and each offered to buy it off me on the spot for more than I paid for it. I did have 2 fail to feed/jams with hollow point. Seemed to slam the tip of the bullet into the edge of the chamber. The gun has the factory RSA because I'm waiting on a Wolf extra power spring pack; when it arrives will see how the 20# and22# springs change the performance.
All in all it isnt a DW or other expensive 1911. What it is is a value priced 1911 10mm that you can upgrade to your hearts content or leave it as is and enjoy. Yes I will buy another one one at the $600 price if I can just because its worth it to me to have a base gun to add to when I want to.
Dennis

I would be curious about groove diameter on these barrels.  If any of you cast and have the ability to slug the bore, please do so and post your results.

  I tried to drill a new hole in the Guide rod with no success.  I brought to a Gunsmith (parts changer) to have him drill the hole.  I also had him replace the Ambi safety and slug the bore. 

  I have not seen the slug yet, but he informed me over the phone that it was .400.  I'll have more info when I pick up the gun in a few days.

Quote from: Steve4102 on December 25 2012 02:29:08 PM MST
    I have not seen the slug yet, but he informed me over the phone that it was .400.  I'll have more info when I pick up the gun in a few days.

That makes sense , my RIA shoots the .401-200gr cast bullet from my Accurate 200G mould very nicely at 15 yards .

Sean

That is good to know about the groove diameter.  Still leaves the mystery of excessive copper fouling.

Quote from: Steve4102 on December 25 2012 02:29:08 PM MST
  I tried to drill a new hole in the Guide rod with no success.  I brought to a Gunsmith (parts changer) to have him drill the hole.  I also had him replace the Ambi safety and slug the bore. 

  I have not seen the slug yet, but he informed me over the phone that it was .400. I'll have more info when I pick up the gun in a few days.

Scratch this!

I picked up the bore slug and it measures

.4035

I called Armscore and they are going to replace either the entire pistol or the barrel which ever come in first as they have no pistols or parts.  ETA is sometime in January.

If you have one of these pistols, could you slug the bore for me please.

A .4035 groove diameter would explain the heavy copper fouling.  Severe blow by of high pressure hot gas is the problem.  That gun needs a new barrel IMHO.

Quote from: Steve4102 on December 27 2012 05:03:55 PM MSTI picked up the bore slug and it measures

.4035

I called Armscore and they are going to replace either the entire pistol or the barrel which ever come in first as they have no pistols or parts.  ETA is sometime in January.

If you have one of these pistols, could you slug the bore for me please.

:o  Almost hard to believe.  That's insane.  Quality Control?....What Quality Control?  I'm very happy to see they are at least standing behind the product 100%. 8)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/boreslugCaliper2.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/BoreslugMic2.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/boresluglands.jpg)

dang, you guys are making me glad I didn't pick the one up at the LGS last weekend 8)

Just a very quick add......Picked up mine on the 18th......Shot 2 mags right at dark......(I live in the boonies) ......Had a FTF (feed)..........In the next day (or two), I had time to fo 5 more mags........Long story short.......Had one or two FTF (feed) every other mag or so......Not a bad JAM, that takes alot to get stuff movinbg again , just didnt quite get a round in the pipe........Fast forward until today. My son and his family is here. He knows a lot more about 1911's than I....(And I'm not a total idiot).....We put another 4 mags thru the RIA 10 mm so he could see what HE thought was the problem......Well.....My problem isn't the ramp, etc.....He discovered and we tested it several shots. The FTF problem is because the SLIDE STOP (or slide lock) LEVER is engaging itself during mid-magazine firing......So we made SURE, we weren't anywhere near the slide lock dealy-bop and it still engages itself "every once in a while"......Just a kick pull back on slide (very small) and release makes everything OK again.....So now I need to find out which of the many small things that could be happening to make this occur.........I've said it before. This is a FINE trigger. Best I ever had from a semi lo-priced factory gun... I haven't checked that yet, but it can't be more than 3 lbs and a very short, smooth pull........One I get this side lock problem fixed, it will be my number one 10mil .......
Any idea's ??

Are you still running the weak 14lb factory recoil spring?  First thing I did was change mine to 20lb.

Yes, still have the factory spring. It IS light !  First thing my son said was, "Wow what is that spring ? About a 16 lb" ?  I told him I had read that they came with a 14 lb....He thought it seemed too light.......
Has anybody else had the slide lock engage on it's own before all the rounds have been fired ?

The type of jam you describe I encounter on my Para IF the cartridge overall length exceeds 1.250 with a wide variety of ammo.  Gun stops with a round partially chambered and is rectified by pulling the slide back about 1/8" and letting go.

Check the overall length of the ammo you are shooting.  Make a pile of the "short" stuff and and see if that ammo feeds ok.  Since I have started seating everything to 1.245" I have had zero issues with feeding.

Well I think I have the RIA 10 finally functioning . After having the case mouths on fired brass looking like someone took a hatchet to them I installed a 20# Wolf recoil spring. After firing 60 rounds yesterday no more shredded case mouths. I had talked to Sean at Armscor and he stated that a 20# spring and heavier mainspring were needed. He sent them off to me the day we talked. Still have to install the heavier mainspring and FBFPS I have sitting here.
I will say that I have NEVER had better customer service from any company. Armscor has so far offered to:
1. Pay for return shipping and repair whatever is wrong
2. Exchange for new gun if wanted
3. Refund purchase price
EAA needs to have their CS reps trained by Armscor and see how real customer service is achieved.
Dennis

Pretty sure Tanfoglio buys all the frames and slides for their "standard" line from Armcorp already.  Maybe we could just cut out a couple of middle men  8)

Excellent idea !!!!
Dennis

Regarding your mangled brass...Did it look like this:

(http://fellingfamily.net/images/brassDef2.jpg)

These were from my Para conversion.  A little more extractor tension fixed this issue.

denclaste, would you mind slugging the bore of your 10MM for me?

SQLBULLET: YES just like that. It hasnt done it again since I installed the 20# recoil spring. But since the gun only has 180 rounds on it I dont consider it a big prblem. Will check and adjust tension as needed. Thank you.

Steve: I dont have the equip to slug a barrel BUT I will have my longrange rifle barrel maker look at it and measure it or slug it. I'll be at his shop on the 9th and will let you know then what groove/land measurements are. It does appear to copper foul quickly ( but I'm use to hand lapped cut rifle barrels so dont have much experience with other types).

Dennis

  Thanks!

Steve,
Had my barrel maker examine the barrel today. He said the bore was 0.391" and the grooves measured at 0.4024". He said it felt and looked like "saw tooth" rifling and the lands and grooves looked about equal distance across. Hope this helps you. He said it wasnt competion quality (his barrels have set US and world records in longrange rifle shooting) but it certainly was "good enough to get the job done". So far I'm up to 300 rounds and the copper fouling is nowhere near as bad as it was at the start.
Dennis

Quote from: denclaste on January 09 2013 03:35:03 PM MST
Steve,
Had my barrel maker examine the barrel today. He said the bore was 0.391" and the grooves measured at 0.4024". He said it felt and looked like "saw tooth" rifling and the lands and grooves looked about equal distance across. Hope this helps you. He said it wasnt competion quality (his barrels have set US and world records in longrange rifle shooting) but it certainly was "good enough to get the job done". So far I'm up to 300 rounds and the copper fouling is nowhere near as bad as it was at the start.
Dennis

Thanks.
That .4024 is still over-sized.  Should be .400.  Shooting Lead .401 bullets  out of your .4024 barrel would surely cause some serious leading.
  IMO they have a problem with the barrel and Groove diameters.   

Those barrels may be OK for jacketed bullets, but I really doubt they would work for lead, and would definitely merit replacement IMHO.  This is kinda a deal killer for this gun for me.  By the time I buy the base gun for $600, add a barrel for about $200 and account for my time to fit the barrel or the expense of paying to have it fitted, I am solidly in Delta Elite price ranges and the occasional Kimber.

Too bad really.  An otherwise solid option spoiled by poor QC in the barrel.

 >:( Ok... this thread just ruined my Friday!  You wake up fantasizing about a hot new "10," and by the time lunch hits, you realize you're looking at an oversized slag!

Sorry!

Have any of the owners gotten Armscor to replace the barrel, and if so was the new one any better.  If they address the horribly out of spec barrel, then this would suddenly become a solid gun for the money.

Quote from: sqlbullet on February 04 2013 08:48:05 AM MST
Have any of the owners gotten Armscor to replace the barrel, and if so was the new one any better.  If they address the horribly out of spec barrel, then this would suddenly become a solid gun for the money.

I called Sean a Smith at Armscor last week.  He told me a month or so ago that new guns and "Parts" were due to arrive in mid January.  January is over and the parts and guns have not yet arrived.  He assured me that as soon as the new barrels came in, he would give me a call and issue a "call tag" for shipping my pistol back to them.

He now says ETA for guns and parts is anybodies guess.

I just benched my RIA and Glock 20 w/SL aftermarket barrel to see if the oversized barrel was a problem. With 200gr jacketed bullets the 20 shot groups at 25yrd were within 0.112" of each other. This was done at our indoor range so no wind to contend with and it was comfortable inside(outside here is 9*). New starline brass in both, same load, same OAL,same primers. Perhaps I cant shoot well enough to cause a signifigant difference. I'll try again with 3 experienced shooters doing it when I can arrange range time. For now ,since I never shoot lead, it seems to work ok.
Dennis

Yeah...All I shoot is lead so a barrel that over-sized is definitely a problem.