http://www.gunbroker.com/item/651416161
Should be here in a couple of days. With shipping and FFL, after rebate, it was right at $650.
More pics and a range report once it is here.
Wow. Congrats on the purchase. That's a great price too!
Nice pick up. Look forward to a range report.
I nearly bought that one especially since it had 2 magazines. But holding out for the big rock!
Ive got one of those, youll love it. I have been having trouble with the sights though (after 400 rounds of shooting or so), so you may want to invest in locktite.
I had my gun store order me one of these. Should be in Monday or Tuesday.
And...Here!
(http://fellingfamily.net/images/rock10mm.jpg)
The Good:
Great non-custom 1911. Very tight and smooth. Good fit. Nice trigger, bit of uptake, no creep, clean break. I would prefer a plain white dot front sight in 20 dry fires here in my office at home, but I may change that opinion in sunlight. Take down is different than 1911 traditionalist will be familiar with, but I found it a non-issue since I have been taking down 1911's slide stop first for several years. Using that method, after the slide was removed I had to push the guide-rod to the compressed position with my thumb and then stick a paper clip in to capture the assembly. Then the reverse plug, spring and guide rod drop right out.
Recoil spring feels about like a 20-22lb wolff does in my Para.
The gun is a good bit heavier than my para, due in no small part to the big magwell on the gun.
The Bad:
While the exterior of the gun is nicely finished I have a concern and a couple of gripes. The parkerized finish is very, very grabby. For a fleeting minute I was afraid it was permanently installed in my Galco summer comfort. I guess that really isn't bad, but I like a smooth finish a bit better.
The real concerns though were the big gouge in the reverse plug and another on the mainspring housing. Now, these are both hidden when the gun is assembled, but are pretty obvious once anything is apart.
The Ugly:
I bought this gun as an EDC. It was to replace my displaced but beloved Para P16-40/10mm in daily carry. To that end I really don't want a giant speed loader mag well. I can't figure out what it is for on a gun that takes a double stack mag to begin with. I mean, the magwell is HUGE compared to the top of the mag. Maybe front to back, but not side to side.
No issue. My Para had one when it came. Just pop out the mainspring pin, remove the magwell and install a normal length mainspring pin.
Except, this magwell actually required them to alter the frame. They had to remove 1/8-1/4" from the bottom of the frame in the sides and front of the magwell, but not the back. Which means I can't just drop off the magwell and call it good.
I thought to fix this I would just bobtail it. Been thinking about that mod for some time anyway. And with the bobtail main spring housing I could also ditch the extra frame behind the mag well. Except then I will have an unsightly 1/4" gap between the magazine base plate and the frame.
So, I will have to either come up with a base plate mod or a magazine mod to fix this. Or ignore it. Or fix one mag, but not the rest, so as to have most of my mags work in all three wide body 1911 10mm guns.
At this point, I am a little frustrated. The big goal here was a 1911 I could carry cause I wouldn't care if it ended up in evidence IF I ever was unfortunate enough to need it. To that end I wanted a gun that was really close to off the shelf, like my Glock 20 is. And while I can probably mod this gun into something that works, I am back to something I have customized and would not really wanna loose.
Gots me some thinkin' to do.
Somewhere I've read on here of someone getting 17 round magazines for these. Know where I can order these?
The mags I have from Triple K hold 17 rounds:
https://www.triplek.com/product/para-ordnance-p1640-40-sw-16-rd/
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 13 2017 04:26:53 PM MDT
Quote from: Dave84 on June 13 2017 04:21:46 PM MDT
Somewhere I've read on here of someone getting 17 round magazines for these. Know where I can order these?
The mags I have from Triple K hold 17 rounds:
https://www.triplek.com/product/para-ordnance-p1640-40-sw-16-rd/
I compared the Rock Island mags to the triple-K mags last night. The mag bodies, followers and base plates are the same, all they way down to the roll marks. The only difference is the gauge of the spring wire, which is thicker in the Rock Island version. This is why the Triple K version holds an extra round.
As far as removing the mag well:
(http://fellingfamily.net/images/rockGripGap.jpg)
Quite the gap. Maybe I could come up with a follower that would fill that gap, or maybe I could track down some Para P15 mags and they might work, but I don't think so.
At this point I think the first thing I am going to try is to blend the magwell. Gonna take a file and remove all the excess that is larger than the diameter of the gun + grips. Ini fact, if I screw it up, I can use my $25 credit at advanced tactical to order a replacement.
I have installed several beavertail safeties which required blending and am reasonably comfortable with this. The only wildcard is how well the safety fits with the frame in the areas it might be exposed. I have the ability to re-park the part, and if needed the frame, once I am done.
I will post pictures when I finish, but it may be several weeks before I get a chance to do this job.
Mine was delayed but I finally got it on Wednesday. I don't really like the finish that much. It seems to have nice sights and a nice trigger. Will shoot it this weekend.
Got a chance to shoot it on Sunday. It's quite accurate. Sights seem dead on. I had about 8 ftf out of a box of 50. The slide just stayed locked to the rear. I'm hoping it just needs to be broken in more. Was Sig ammo.
Quote from: Dave84 on June 27 2017 03:13:55 PM MDT
Got a chance to shoot it on Sunday. It's quite accurate. Sights seem dead on. I had about 8 ftf out of a box of 50. The slide just stayed locked to the rear. I'm hoping it just needs to be broken in more. Was Sig ammo.
I run a RIA Ultra Pro HC, model 52000 (hand fitted). The extractor (tension) was a little tight (shaved the rim of the brass) and had to be tweaked (tuned) a bit. The brass shaving under the extractor caused FTF when ran fast.
What type of FTF are you getting ? Nose diving could be a mag issue, or the ectractor is not grabbing the case. Getting stuck half way in or at the top of the barrel can be caused by the extractor being too tight or the ammo COL (even bullet type).
Just some ideas....Google tuning a 1911 extractor or FTF issues.
Edit: Not the same 1911 pistol (STI 2011) or caliber but will give you a few ideas of why FTF can happen
https://youtu.be/nhwvKW0mKfc
Try taking your barrel out of your slide and drop a round in to see if goes in (plunk test).
Thanks for the ideas. I will look further into it. I was pretty much tap racking rather than fully diagnosing the problem. Seemed to be locking to the rear without really having any ammo binding and being the cause. Might be magazine related.
Locking to the rear, as in slide stop engaged, or hanging up on something else? Completely to the rear, or a three point jam?
If the slides locking open take a close look at the slide lock inside the gun... I bet you will find some copper marking from the bullet hitting it and causing the lock to engage. At least that's what I found was the issue with mine. A little time with a file or dremmel to gently clearance it fixed my problem.
Congratulations! Sorry to hear about the feed problems. I've had mine for a month or two now, and I'm not sure I've been able to get thru an entire mag without a jam. But, all of the ammo I've fired has been handloaded, and I know some of that ammo won't even load into the magazines because overall length is too big. In trying to get anything to feed in my G20 and G29, I've been loading a bit longer, and those rounds won't go into the RIA mags.
Other than that, which I'm confident I'll work thru, I do enjoy shooting the gun. I can't imagine it as an EDC (or even a once-in-a-while carry), and I believe it's the heaviest handgun I've ever held. It's also quite possibly the most uncomfortable to my hand, as it feels like a bunch of sharp edges, nooks and crannies. I've modified that notch at the rear top of the magwell, and that mod has stopped the red blistering of my strong hand, and is now quite comfy. Not much to be done about the sharp-edged notches where the tang safety fits, but those are much more modest than that magwell issue.
I find it rock solid, I actually like the finish, and so far I haven't seen any issues with the sights...but then I only have 3-400 rds thru it at most--most of the ammo has to go back thru the press to get shortened up.
Despite a few roadbumps getting started, I think you're going to be quite pleased...I think I will be.
Bongo Boy, while I haven't gotten mine to the range yet, all my other 10mm 1911's don't like "long" ammo. That is anything over 1.250"
Quote from: TXCOONDOG on June 29 2017 10:32:04 AM MDT
Quote from: Dave84 on June 27 2017 03:13:55 PM MDT
Got a chance to shoot it on Sunday. It's quite accurate. Sights seem dead on. I had about 8 ftf out of a box of 50. The slide just stayed locked to the rear. I'm hoping it just needs to be broken in more. Was Sig ammo.
I run a RIA Ultra Pro HC, model 52000 (hand fitted). The extractor (tension) was a little tight (shaved the rim of the brass) and had to be tweaked (tuned) a bit. The brass shaving under the extractor caused FTF when ran fast.
What type of FTF are you getting ? Nose diving could be a mag issue, or the ectractor is not grabbing the case. Getting stuck half way in or at the top of the barrel can be caused by the extractor being too tight or the ammo COL (even bullet type).
Just some ideas....Google tuning a 1911 extractor or FTF issues.
Edit: Not the same 1911 pistol (STI 2011) or caliber but will give you a few ideas of why FTF can happen
https://youtu.be/nhwvKW0mKfc
I too have the RIA 52000--- I watched the video and tweaked my feed lips before I ever went to the range--I get an occasional "hang-up" where it appears to be that the extractor is just a bit too tight as I get a "nose up" failure to feed where it basically tries to jam the round nose up into the hood of the barrel and the rear of the round is caught under the extractor
I have only shot the gun 1x at the range and had a fail to feed about 1 or 2x per mag of ammo--I will watch more carefully next time I'm at the range to see if it truly is the extractor that needs adjusting a bit-- it seems to be a common problem --- it is not shaving brass off the rim tight, but I think it may need to be "relaxed" just a bit
So, I finally got started on that magwell I can't stand. I took it to the grinder and removed a ton of the bulk from the sides, and then started working on it with files to clean and blend it with the gun. Here is where it stands today:
(http://fellingfamily.net/images/RIA_magwell_rear.jpg)
(http://fellingfamily.net/images/RIA_magwell_side.jpg)
I still have about 1-2 hours of file and sanding work to clean it up and make it even all around. Then sandblasting and a trip to the park tank.
I am very happy with the results so far. I have not lost hardly any of the magwell "flare" and have a much smaller, more carry-able package.
For those wondering, the mainspring housing was chosen to be "sacrificed". I needed something to use as a guide, knowing full well that it would be bitten by a file from time to time. I may try to clean up the checkering, or perhaps just take the checkering off completely. Or toss it in the parts bin to be used the next time I do a blend.
Finally got a chance to clean this up, parkerize and reinstall:
(http://fellingfamily.net/images/riaMagwell_after.jpg)
I need to get some alumi-black for the mainspring housing pin. But I am really happy with how it came out. I just need to get 500 rounds down the tube and this will join the carry rotation.
nice job. Looks so much better integrated than the stock magwell.
Awesome job!
Wow that looks good!! How many rounds down the pipe?
About 50.
It has been down for most of the time I owned it disassembled while I worked over the magwell.
I was supposed to get out this week a few times, but have been under the weather and preferred rest. I did get some reloading done, so there is plenty of 180 grain JHP ready to shoot.
Great work!
Hope you feel better!
I finally found one of these in stock locally so I'm tagging this for future reference.
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Quote from: sqlbullet on December 22 2017 02:55:51 PM MST
Finally got a chance to clean this up, parkerize and reinstall:
(http://fellingfamily.net/images/riaMagwell_after.jpg)
I need to get some alumi-black for the mainspring housing pin. But I am really happy with how it came out. I just need to get 500 rounds down the tube and this will join the carry rotation.
WoW! That looks awesome sql!! Great job on the girth reduction!
Curious, did you get a chance to gauge the recoil spring weight yet? Me wonders if they have exceeded the 18# suggested max since my vintage Ultra FS was made.
How far is it throwing the brass with the stock spring setup?
That's going to be quit a bit of firepower at your disposal with that on your belt!
Edit: Duuuhhh just noticed you've had this one for a year now... Still working good?
:-\ :-[ ???
Still very happy with it. Weight keeps it outta the holster more than anything else.
Quote from: sqlbullet on July 03 2018 12:34:38 PM MDT
Still very happy with it. Weight keeps it outta the holster more than anything else.
I missed out on the one locally. [emoji30]
But I found on online at Buds. [emoji16]
Is the barrel ramped on this model and do you know which style ramp it is (Wilson/Nowlin or Clark/Para)?
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Ramped. I think it is the Clark Para, but will look when I get home to confirm. Might even be a Clark Para Lissner.
Clark Para.
Quote from: sqlbullet on July 06 2018 03:57:36 PM MDT
Ramped. I think it is the Clark Para, but will look when I get home to confirm. Might even be a Clark Para Lissner.
Cool, thank you. I'm thinking of setting this pistol up for handgun hunting. I have a suppressor I can run so I'm thinking of having Fusion build me a threaded barrel for it and I needed to know the ramp style. I also plan to have the slide milled for an RMR.
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Hey Mike, are the below folks the ones your talking about?, also, what do they charge for slide milling?
Thanks
Ken
https://www.fusionfirearms.com/services?dir=asc&order=name
Quote from: Kenk on July 07 2018 03:08:12 PM MDT
Hey Mike, are the below folks the ones your talking about?, also, what do they charge for slide milling?
Thanks
Ken
https://www.fusionfirearms.com/services?dir=asc&order=name
Yes that's who I am talking with for the barrel. It's $260 for the threaded barrel. It has to be ordered over the phone since it is a bull barrel and I need it threaded. That's not an option on the drop down on the barrel options.
I haven't asked them about slide milling for the RMR yet.
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Thanks Mike
Quote from: Kenk on July 08 2018 10:03:50 AM MDT
Thanks Mike
You're welcome. Looks like the going rate for milling the slide is $200'ish and up from various places I've found. Then you have to buy a $200 mount. In all fairness it is Trijicon and suppressor height night sights are included.
Then add the cost of the RMR.
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Ching ching ching : )
Quote from: Kenk on July 09 2018 01:20:46 AM MDT
Ching ching ching : )
For sure. Still will have less $$ in it than going with any other double stack 2011 style pistol with the options I want.
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Absolutely, keep us posted