Basically I am asking (begging? 8)) if anyone with QuickLoad and/or other loading software please check these. And also let me know where you got the program and pluses and minuses. ;D Probably will buy.
At 1.250" and 1.260" OAL
HAP 180gr Bullets
AA#9 (13.5gr)
Longshot (10gr)
Blue Dot (11gr)
BE-86 (8.2gr)
Winchester primers
Thanks!!!
Pablo some of the numbers you are going to see from QuickLoads may scare you...Also not all powders are in the QL database.
Imr800X was one powder that didn't make the database, BE-86 being new may not be as well.
Here is the Blue Dot 11.0 using a 180 grain Precision Delta FMJ. (while the pressures are low, people have seen SMILED Brass)
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j441/_The_Shadow/My%202017%20Bucket/180gr%2011grBlueDot_zpsaelsxfjz.jpg)
Maybe Someone can post screenshots of the loads using XTP if the HAP is not in the database...
Pablo
While the 180 HAP is in QL's database I've found bullet lengths are usually incorrect. If you measure a few and reply with the length I'll run the numbers for you :)
Quote from: Benchrst on June 01 2017 10:04:48 AM MDT
Pablo
While the 180 HAP is in QL's database I've found bullet lengths are usually incorrect. If you measure a few and reply with the length I'll run the numbers for you :)
HAP = 0.620" Thanks!!
QL listed the 180 HAP @ .641 :)
While QL's predictions for #9 are known to be wonky, the usual disclaimer applies:
USE AT OWN RISK!
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Quote from: The_Shadow on June 01 2017 09:11:29 AM MDT
Pablo some of the numbers you are going to see from QuickLoads may scare you........
Yeah. That's where I'm coming from. Sum-ting not right.
Quote from: Benchrst on June 01 2017 07:00:39 PM MDT
QL listed the 180 HAP @ .641 :)
While QL's predictions for #9 are known to be wonky, the usual disclaimer applies:
USE AT OWN RISK!
So did you use the default .641 or can you enter .620"?
Thanks very much!!
QL can be scary accurate with bottle neck cartridges, for straight walled, not so much.
It's a useful tool, but has the capacity to be grossly wrong.
Quote from: Pablo on June 01 2017 07:09:37 PM MDT
Quote from: Benchrst on June 01 2017 07:00:39 PM MDT
QL listed the 180 HAP @ .641 :)
While QL's predictions for #9 are known to be wonky, the usual disclaimer applies:
USE AT OWN RISK!
So did you use the default .641 or can you enter .620"?
Thanks very much!!
.620
Yep the numbers that were show for the Barnes 155 gr TAC-XP over 11.0 grains of Power Pistol was off the chart...
QuickLoads pressure was shown as 147,749 PSI but the velocity was grossly over stated at 1850 fps.
In actual test this round makes near 1500, but only about 1450 - 1480 fps depending on the barrel in use.
Like I had mentioned before, this was the scariest load I had ever dissected and documented, with the powder charge being compressed into a solid pill. :o
I've wondered if Bromel's vivacity test for AA9 was off, or that's just how it predicts in the 10mm.
The ameliorating factor for me is these are for my rifle only. It's a hearty AR barrel, mates!
Quote from: Pablo on June 01 2017 07:39:11 PM MDT
The ameliorating factor for me is these are for my rifle only. It's a hearty AR barrel, mates!
I had to look up ameliorating :)
I'm also ignorant regarding ARs in pistol calibers, is that blow back?
Quote from: Benchrst on June 01 2017 07:54:10 PM MDT
Quote from: Pablo on June 01 2017 07:39:11 PM MDT
The ameliorating factor for me is these are for my rifle only. It's a hearty AR barrel, mates!
I had to look up ameliorating :)
I'm also ignorant regarding ARs in pistol calibers, is that blow back?
This bad boy is DI. It needs all the gas it can get, in fact it really won't run on powder puff 10mm bulk ammo. I've shot tons of 10gr Longshot loads, so not so apprehensive.
Quote from: Pablo on June 01 2017 07:59:46 PM MDT
Quote from: Benchrst on June 01 2017 07:54:10 PM MDT
Quote from: Pablo on June 01 2017 07:39:11 PM MDT
The ameliorating factor for me is these are for my rifle only. It's a hearty AR barrel, mates!
I had to look up ameliorating :)
I'm also ignorant regarding ARs in pistol calibers, is that blow back?
This bad boy is DI. It needs all the gas it can get, in fact it really won't run on powder puff 10mm bulk ammo. I've shot tons of 10gr Longshot loads, so not so apprehensive.
Ah, we're going to have to work up some monster WAC / 155 loads for that thing :)
Quote from: Benchrst on June 01 2017 07:54:10 PM MDT
Quote from: Pablo on June 01 2017 07:39:11 PM MDT
The ameliorating factor for me is these are for my rifle only. It's a hearty AR barrel, mates!
I had to look up ameliorating :)
So did I.
Definition of ameliorate
ameliorated; ameliorating
transitive verb
: to make better or more tolerable. medicine to ameliorate the pain
intransitive verb
: to grow better
Quote from: my_old_glock on June 01 2017 08:16:20 PM MDT
Quote from: Benchrst on June 01 2017 07:54:10 PM MDT
Quote from: Pablo on June 01 2017 07:39:11 PM MDT
The ameliorating factor for me is these are for my rifle only. It's a hearty AR barrel, mates!
I had to look up ameliorating :)
So did I.
Definition of ameliorate
ameliorated; ameliorating
transitive verb
: to make better or more tolerable. medicine to ameliorate the pain
intransitive verb
: to grow better
As in, firing these rounds in my pistols would be painful.
The #9 & Blue Dot load I'd have no problem firing in my G20.
The Longshot load, I was topping out between 8.8 & 9.4, depending on the 180.
BE-86? Not worth a darn, IMO.
BE-86 is a good loading for when Shit Hit The Fan, where you want a lot of loads, not so much the fastest velocity...It is very versatile across many calibers/cartridges.
With 800X and LongShot 200 grain 9.2 - 9.4 and the 180 grain 9.4 - 9.6 are where I stop with them...have tested more but have backed off so they work with any or all my pistols.
Blue Dot is still one of my mainstay for everything...
The BE-86 is just to see if the 10mm AR will run on it. Just in case, for when the SHTF. :D
Oh, SHTF loads, I have about 800 of those, spanning 40 different powders :)
BE-86 works fine, I just could never duplicate some of the claimed velocities before reaching my stopping point.
I love QuickLoad... It is a tinkerers dream come true.
But it is not a replacement for a reloading manual.
As Benchrest said earlier....with a little calibration, it can be darn near exact with bottleneck rifle rounds but with straight walled rounds it just isn't near as good... It can be, but it takes a whole lot of tweaking the program.
Every data point in the program is an average.... None of them are exact... And many are just plain wrong.
But it can all be adjusted.... I'm working on calibrating it for my load (AA9 and a 200 XTP) but haven't quite got it dialed in yet.
If a person was buying QuickLoad primarily for pistol rounds, that money would be better spent on components (bullets, brass, primers, etc)... Because it won't save you any.
Here is some pretty good reading on QuickLoad and how to use it...
https://forum.nosler.com/viewtopic.php?t=30761
Vivacity testing:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/powder_cartridge_testing.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/powder_cartridge_testing.htm)
I'm not a physicist, haven't played one on YouTube, and don't recall having ever stayed at a Holiday Inn. That said, it seems easy to imagine, likely in error, the effects of rapid pressurization within a spherical environment, expanding against one specific point, and calculating that effect.
For our purposes, a bottle necked cartridge is the best analogy, a straight walled cartridge much less so.
It should also be taken into consideration that I barely passed 7th grade :)
So I shot up a goodly amount of my ammo today. In the name of science, I always get the dirty jobs.......
Not even a hint of over pressure. 10mm DI AR ran like a champ. I had one round that didn't want to feed smoothly, tried three times in the middle of a magazine, but that one would stop partially in the prechamber, so I just set it aside. My first homeload FTF.
Tagging this as I use QL almost exclusively.
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Forgot about this great thread!
I've been contemplating purchasing QL. It is a little pricey, but from what I hear it is worth it.
QL is a good program...however QL has not been all that great for the 10mm pistol based on what several others using the program have done calculations for me. There are several powders that are not in the data base, 800X is one of those powders.
So, here is a 5¢ idea for free...
No reason in this day and age that quickload has to be installed software. What it does is easily adapted to web. Put in data, get results.
Benefits? There are tons of guys out there that won't pay for full pop quickload for a variety of reasons, but would gladly spend a few bucks to run the package a couple of times from a webpage.
Off topic I know, but as a non-windows guy, I can dream.
Quote from: sqlbullet on November 29 2017 05:28:02 PM MST
So, here is a 5¢ idea for free...
No reason in this day and age that quickload has to be installed software. What it does is easily adapted to web. Put in data, get results.
Benefits? There are tons of guys out there that won't pay for full pop quickload for a variety of reasons, but would gladly spend a few bucks to run the package a couple of times from a webpage.
Off topic I know, but as a non-windows guy, I can dream.
It is a good idea. Give them the option to purchase a subscription on the web for less money and you may end up with a ton more users.