This new 'shorty' from Mossberg, looks like winner. Meets BATFE regulations as a regular firearm, at around 26 inches. Handles 2 3/4" shot, or slugs. Five-shot capacity, with one in the spout. Absolutely, devastating at 30 feet. Priced to go at around $425.00 dollars.
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Reviewed by Hickok45 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxECBq-f68s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxECBq-f68s)
Reviewed by Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_sqSTg2v8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_sqSTg2v8)
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bad ass looking pump gun! :P I wonder how it is to shoot..
Remington already has a version and I won't be surprised if others don't soon. I bet Tubbs would be happy with it. ;D
Both these guns are interesting IMO. Capacity for the heavy-barreled Mossberg is greater than the Remmy. Yet the Remmy handles 3" shells, opposed to the Mossberg's 2 3/4" fodder. Price differential is negligible, I would love to see Ithaca do an approved shorty. I do own, both full-size versions of these scatterguns. I like the Mossy's safety location, since I'm a southpaw.
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saw a video... that the Shockwave has an adapter to use the real shorty 1 3/4"' shell too ( capacity 9 )
https://youtu.be/LmC3NlfUd-U
Great gun and for its intended purpose is very effective. I have run well over 250 rounds of various ammo through this gun. I mounted a Green Laser and shell saddle.
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Quote from: Ramjet on May 06 2017 07:55:53 PM MDT
Great gun and for its intended purpose is very effective. I have run well over 250 rounds of various ammo through this gun. I mounted a Green Laser and shell saddle.
This was my first reaction when I saw these guns as well.
Then....
https://www.full30.com/video/6afd3affeea07031b08c3dcb5cfc3604
It appears when you put them on the timer, they aren't as effective as an 18" riot gun, even in the hands of a user who practices with them.
To clear my house or maneuver to vacate it is great option and not as identifiable as a full size riot gun. They have there uses. I ran some slugs at 40 yards with the green laser and kept the shots all in the boiler room of full man silhouette target. I they both have there place in defensive situations.
I like mine. I have removed the strap and replaced it with a hasty sling. I find no need for the hand strap. The best patterns are coming from 3" 000 Buck Fed Prem and 3" #1 Buck Win Super X. I like one ounce slugs, but I don't like the faster I ounce slugs. I do not like #4 Buck in 3" as it has massive recoil. I have been testing various loads and have just picked up the PDX buck and ball load and the Hornady Critical Defense 8 pellet 00 Buck load.
In case you missed it, the purpose of the strap is not to carry the gun. It is to keep your hand from slipping in front of the muzzle resulting in a nasty and permanently debilitating hand wound.
If your sling use adequately serves this purpose, then great. If not, you may want to re-think not having that safety strap.
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 07 2017 08:13:29 AM MDT
In case you missed it, the purpose of the strap is not to carry the gun. It is to keep your hand from slipping in front of the muzzle resulting in a nasty and permanently debilitating hand wound.
If your sling use adequately serves this purpose, then great. If not, you may want to re-think not having that safety strap.
I'm a relative newbie to the pump shotgun with only 25 years of experience. I read the manual about the purpose of the strap and the safety warnings.
Complete lack of muzzle awareness and trigger finger discipline isn't going to be fixed by six inches of Cordura. That's a lawyer satisfaction and nothing more.
For my purposes the setup I have is ideal.
I have been a 870 guy since my earliest days shooting shotguns... Having taken a few defensive shotgun "courses" I like both platforms, just prefer the Remington.
When this came out, I was pretty excited. Like most of you I have had a pistol grip shotgun. They are small but have limitations. I have shot guns with this grip style on a Ithaca and it is most definitely better for recoil control, but can make reaching the trigger more difficult for some people on some models. IMHO the Remington is better than the Mossberg in this regard.
I decided to wait for Remington and buy that over the 590. In the weeks between I was reading and had the opportunity to shoot a shock wave with mini shells... SOLD! For me its a GAME CHANGER! These are NO powder puff shells!! They offer Slugs & Buck shot and can 100% be reliably fired from the 590 but NOT the Remington. These combined with the shock wave grip makes this very controllable even from slighter build people.
Last week I was set to buy the Mossy. I got a call form a friend with a Remington 14 and Jeff Quinn offered his video report on the Remington.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1jf2-o90iU
In looking thru the safe, I found a Remington Wingmaster that had not been used a more then a few years. Its not going to fill this role. I ordered a Raptor grip and Magpul for end. Mine wont be 14" but it wont cost me 400$ either. For now it will fill this bill.
I did but the adapter to make the Mossberg function with the mini shells and a Mag Pul forend for the 590 too. (I have since learned it will not fit with out modification )
It has a small or limited use gun. But in those areas it fits the bill nicely.
CW
Quote from: Forrest on June 07 2017 04:41:39 PM MDT
I'm a relative newbie to the pump shotgun with only 25 years of experience. I read the manual about the purpose of the strap and the safety warnings.
Complete lack of muzzle awareness and trigger finger discipline isn't going to be fixed by six inches of Cordura. That's a lawyer satisfaction and nothing more.
For my purposes the setup I have is ideal.
Forrest, please understand I meant no offense. I just new I would feel bad if it later came out you were new to guns and had suffered an injury.
I agree that the bigger factors are muzzle awareness and discipline.
On a related note, we are kinda kin, as my first name is "Forest". Glad you are here and that you are enjoying your mossberg!
Looky here "One R"...no offense taken....😂
Best,
Two R's
It frustrates me that this device is what he have stooped to in order to protect stupid people from themselves. There should have been more mention of muzzle discipline and trigger finger discipline. Treat it like a snubnosed revolver kind of thing.
What I have learned with this gun is that it is incredibly handy. Slung muzzle up there is a potential to flip the safety off if you forget about it being on the shoulder? and sit down on a tractor. The safety needs to be bevelled on both sides from the middle flat back to the tip. I just rolled the edge a little but preserved the steps to positively disengage the safety. This prevents it from acting like a crude saw blade during recoil with sweaty hands. The loading port can also stand a bevel if you intend to shoot it a lot especially reloading rapidly. I just saw no reason for it to be so sharp of an edge especially since that edge interacts with parts of my thumb that don't have calluses. I use the weak hand reloading technique for this shotgun.
I shoot this gun just about every weekend. I have already gone through two cases of the the Federal LE buckshot with flight control wad. I absolutely love this gun for home defense and get better every outing. Shoulder mounted certainly has its place and this gun will never replace the untility of that platform. But this gun is dandy I hope they come W out with 20ga 3" chamber next. for now they cannot keep up with demand.
The Flitecontrol #1 is ridiculous. It recoils very lightly and is coming out with great patterns. I like it, but the patterns are so tight that I sometimes load other stuff because I want a bit of spread. 3" 000 Federal 158000 is my favorite seconded by the Winchester 3" #1 Buck.
Quote from: Zephyr on May 02 2017 09:44:31 PM MDT
Both these guns are interesting IMO. Capacity for the heavy-barreled Mossberg is greater than the Remmy. Yet the Remmy handles 3" shells, opposed to the Mossberg's 2 3/4" fodder. Price differential is negligible, I would love to see Ithaca do an approved shorty. I do own, both full-size versions of these scatterguns. I like the Mossy's safety location, since I'm a southpaw.
The Shockwave shoots 3" shells too and holds 5+1 of 2-3/4". I love mine. I just stipple the birds head today. Fun little "firearm".
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Quote from: Zephyr on May 02 2017 09:44:31 PM MDT
Both these guns are interesting IMO. Capacity for the heavy-barreled Mossberg is greater than the Remmy. Yet the Remmy handles 3" shells, opposed to the Mossberg's 2 3/4" fodder. Price differential is negligible, I would love to see Ithaca do an approved shorty. I do own, both full-size versions of these scatterguns. I like the Mossy's safety location, since I'm a southpaw.
The Shockwave shoots 3" shells too and holds 5+1 of 2-3/4". I love mine. I just stipple the birds head today. Fun little "firearm".
How is the birds head vs. a pistol grip? I heard the birds head can transfer more recoil and harder to grip and hold than a pistol grip
Right the opposite. The birds head allows your wrist to be in a more natural position, and doesn't give you the shock associated with the PG Mossys.
I stippled mine to add some extra grip.
If it makes a difference, you can use the Knoxx Breachers Grip III. It's a regular pistol grip style, but has the length to keep it at 26" overall. Which keeps it legal as a "firearm".
Quote from: Overkill338 on October 23 2017 06:53:41 AM MDT
Right the opposite. The birds head allows your wrist to be in a more natural position, and doesn't give you the shock associated with the PG Mossys.
I stippled mine to add some extra grip.
If it makes a difference, you can use the Knoxx Breachers Grip III. It's a regular pistol grip style, but has the length to keep it at 26" overall. Which keeps it legal as a "firearm".
I've held a birds head but not shot one..they feel un-natural to me.
Interesting part is you can make a very compact shotty for cheap with a pg and a cheap ebay barrel.
I picked up a 18" bbl (minimum atf legal length) in ebay for my mossy 500 for $25...with the pg it measures 28" so both the overall length and barrel length are legal no matter what config I put it in.
Don't ever put a butt stock on those new mossy shockwaves or you'll have an sbs
Quote from: Texashogman on October 27 2017 05:47:12 AM MDT
Don't ever put a butt stock on those new mossy shockwaves or you'll have an sbs
To add to this wise warning...Don't replace the bird head with a pistol grip either, as the overall length has to remain above 26"
Quote from: sqlbullet on October 27 2017 08:19:28 AM MDT
Quote from: Texashogman on October 27 2017 05:47:12 AM MDT
Don't ever put a butt stock on those new mossy shockwaves or you'll have an sbs
To add to this wise warning...Don't replace the bird head with a pistol grip either, as the overall length has to remain above 26"
Right, cause then it's an aow, and requires a stamp
Fellas, read back up. I've already covered that. I said if you want a 90 degree pistol grip, use the Knoxx Breachers Grip III. It allows the overall length to stay above 26".
The Shockwave isn't an SBS because it isn't even a Shotgun. It's not an AOW, it's just a "Firearm".
I have a Mossberg 500 with the 18" barrel and pistol grip. The birds head really is less stressful on the wrist.
Quote from: Overkill338 on October 27 2017 09:01:03 AM MDT
Fellas, read back up. I've already covered that. I said if you want a 90 degree pistol grip, use the Knoxx Breachers Grip III. It allows the overall length to stay above 26".
The Shockwave isn't an SBS (IN STOCK CONFIGURATION) because it isn't even a Shotgun. It's not an AOW, it's just a "Firearm".
I have a Mossberg 500 with the 18" barrel and pistol grip. The birds head really is less stressful on the wrist.
BUT the shockwave IS an SBS IF you put a butt stock on it, because you have now converted it to a but stock with a non rifled barrel of less than 18" --and it would be an AOW with a standard PG as it puts its length under 26" -- that's all I was trying to say
an 18" barrel mossy with the PG is not NFA in either configuration with PG or butt stock
as far as ergonomics go--- I shoot my PG mossy at chest height--- the pistol grip is more ergonomic for me at that height than the Birds-head---If you shoot at hip height then the birds head would be better than the PG-- depends on how you shot and hold the gun and how long your arms are IMO
Quote from: Overkill338 on October 27 2017 09:01:03 AM MDT
Fellas, read back up. I've already covered that. I said if you want a 90 degree pistol grip, use the Knoxx Breachers Grip III. It allows the overall length to stay above 26".
I am not saying no one else talked about this. Just that on a thread about modifying a "firearm" it can't be said enough. If I had time to put it on every post I would cause I don't want some poor guy spending 10 years in the big house cause he read one post here that said a PGO was cool and thought he would just switch his Shockwave to one.
Yeah, I'd hate to see someone get in trouble over it. It's 922R violation to put standard AK furniture on a MAK90 too. But some do it against the grain.
I'm going to add the Knoxx to my Shockwave and at some point I'm going to register it as an SBS and put a Benelli style stock on it.
I just purchased a Shockwave from PSA for $400. I was going to get the Remington, but, the price was too tempting to pass up. I added a sling, Mesa Tactical side saddle with top rail for a light and laser. I haven't shot it yet, but, disassembly was a son of a gun. I've owned and handled Ithaca model 37, Remington 870, and Benelli M1, M3, and M4 shotguns. This is my first Mossberg. I was not impressed. All of the other shotguns are fairly simple to disassemble. But, not the Mossberg. It took me an hour to get it disassembled for cleaning and to get it reassembled. The instruction manual sucked.
I should have gotten the Remington Tac 14. Remington 870 shotguns are a lot simpler and quicker to disassemble. You don't have to remove the trigger group to disassemble it like you do the Mossberg. And, you don't have as many loose parts laying around like you do with the Mossberg.
As for the grip, the bird's head grip style is a lot less jarring on your shooting hand as a pistol type grip is because the regular pistol grip imparts the full recoil of the shotgun directly into the web of your shooting hand. The Bird's head grip directs the recoil under the palm of your shooting hand. I would definitely not change out the grip for a pistol type grip unless you like having a sore hand every time you pull the trigger.
Has anyone added a AR tube and blade yet?
CW
Quote from: cwlongshot on November 22 2017 10:29:14 AM MST
Has anyone added a AR tube and blade yet?
CW
blackaces has a micro shotgun that comes with the ar buffer tube on it http://www.blackacestactical.com/_p/prd3/4366154915/pro-series-dtvs and http://www.blackacestactical.com/_p/prd3/4366152505/pro-series-dtv
Shockwave now in 20 Gauge with 3" Chamber.
All this talk about mods to the Shockwave are just poking the bear so to speak. We have good thing going here I just do not understand why some feel they have to poke that bear?????
Quote from: Ramjet on November 27 2017 05:36:37 AM MST
Shockwave now in 20 Gauge with 3" Chamber.
All this talk about mods to the Shockwave are just poking the bear so to speak. We have good thing going here I just do not understand why some feel they have to poke that bear?????
Because we paid our cash for them, they are now ours. Any mods we do as long as it's not a stock and stays above 26" OAL it isn't hurting a thing. My Glock was perfectly fine as it was, but I paint or polish accents on it too.
Except you are messing with a touchy catagorization of weapon by ATF. For example if you were to use the shockwave and conceal it that would change the classification of that weapon immediately. But its your hind end not mine. ;D
I've contacted the ATF about everything I want to do to my Shockwave. I know any local PD is going to harass me about it regardless until someone straightens them out. So mine don't leave home. Just a bed side blaster.
No bed will survive getting blasted with a shockwave :))
Quote from: Ramjet on November 29 2017 02:47:33 PM MST
No bed will survive getting blasted with a shockwave :))
Next year I'm probably going to register it as an SBS so I can put a speed feed stock on it.
Now being offered magazine fed Shockwave :o
I tell-ya, my Mossberg 935 Magnum -Turkey 2 and three quarters to 3.5 with the Carlson coyote choke / heavy shoot dead coyote ammo is amazing, it's not a shorty by any stretch, but has a tight enough pattern to bring down dogs out to 55-65 yards. Bet it's pretty effective on two legged critters at 10-30 plus yards 😂
Quote from: Ramjet on June 25 2017 07:47:03 PM MDT
I shoot this gun just about every weekend. I have already gone through two cases of the the Federal LE buckshot with flight control wad. I absolutely love this gun for home defense and get better every outing. Shoulder mounted certainly has its place and this gun will never replace the untility of that platform. But this gun is dandy I hope they come W out with 20ga 3" chamber next. for now they cannot keep up with demand.
Around my home there's a Mossberg 500 riot gun with a full stock from an army helicopter pilot neighbor that had a pistol grip on it for when he flew missions.
I like to tuck the stock along my forearm and elbow for off the hip shots or shoulder it for more range. A pistol grip never fit my shooting style, I also have construction-worker wrist pain so a long stock provides needed leverage and better control of the slide.
And at 30 feet or less even heavy dove shot loads pulverize flesh like running it through a sieve.
The 20 inch swings quickly with an open cylinder 7 round magazine it works for short range bird hunting too and is easy to carry.
Mossberg makes some great defensive shotguns. They have expanded this line far beyond what I expected 12,20, 410 and now the magazine fed Shockwave.
I am good with any choice a person makes to protect their family and themselves. I just say practice practice practice.