Hello all! Glad to find such an active 10mm community. I'm getting (more) into 10mm...in the past been treated with mild range loads in my g20sf. I ordered a razorback so that should get a little more support and barrel length. Setting aside the velocity data for now, which factory round has the best bullet design to punch thru bone and poke two holes in a piggy?
While the soft tissue penetration is more predictable I'm not sure how these HC would hold thru hard barrier without getting destroyed.
Read this thread, may help
http://10mm-firearms.com/reloading-10mm-ammo/200-gr-hardcast-recommendations/
That is a great thread. 200 grain WFN cast from 14-16 BHN lead moving 1200 fps is good hog medicine.
here are some full power hard cast loads that should work very well:
hard cast 200gr: https://underwoodammo.com/shop/10mm-auto-200-grain-hard-cast-flat-nose/
not sure if they will yield a pass through but I imagine these would put down a pig pretty well (see below):
200gr XTP: https://underwoodammo.com/shop/10mm-auto-200-grain-xtp-jacketed-hollow-point/
180gr gold dot: https://underwoodammo.com/shop/10mm-auto-180-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point/
180gr bonded soft point: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/127997/federal-premium-vital-shok-ammunition-10mm-auto-180-grain-trophy-bonded-jacketed-soft-point-box-of-20
-matt
Wow thanks for the links! So in relation to bonded ammo, let's say the bullet holds together after the first bone, then opens up as it hits soft tissue, will the expanded bullet have enough energy to punch thru the second bone? I can see it work in a bone -> tissue scenario but what about bone -> tissue -> bone?
It seems most are capable of 15-18 inch penetration in ballistic gel when expanded
LoadedToFullPotato, Welcome to the forum! It's hard to beat a good cast bullet with some umph behind it!
Quote from: LoadedToFullPotato on April 26 2017 05:03:55 PM MDT
Wow thanks for the links! So in relation to bonded ammo, let's say the bullet holds together after the first bone, then opens up as it hits soft tissue, will the expanded bullet have enough energy to punch thru the second bone? I can see it work in a bone -> tissue scenario but what about bone -> tissue -> bone?
It seems most are capable of 15-18 inch penetration in ballistic gel when expanded
hard to say what will happen in bone/tissue/bone because you have a lot of variables going on there. as the others have said, the hard cast flat nosed will penetrate the best. the expanding bullets will do more damage then the hard cast flat nose but might not always pass threw especially on quartering shots, frontal shots, and Texas heart shots.
if I was going to shoot a pig with my 10mm I would use either the 180gr SP or the 200gr JHP. however I do not pistol hunt (ive always used a rifle) and others here will have more experience in that department then me.
-matt
A JHP is very unlikely to "open up" after hitting that first bone. The impact of the bone is going to significantly change the nose profile, and the hollow cavity is likely to either collapse or fill with bone fragments and dense tissue. From this point on it will behave much like a FMJ/TMJ. It will most likely make it through the second bone, but won't leave as large a permanent wound channel in the soft tissue.
Pigs are an interesting case. If you are going to take "soft-tissue" shots, then a JHP that works well for self defense should work great. But a hog hunt can be very dynamic, and you may have to take a shot under duress that is very much a less than ideal shot placement.
The benefit of the WFN is more consistent performance in a very wide variety of tissue. The JHP is more effective, but in a very narrow scope of tissue types.
We need some solid barrier -> ballistic gel -> barrier test.
Chaos theory comes significantly into play in such testing, requiring very, very large sample sizes in order to gain any kind of meaningful correlations.
On the other hand, the tester gets lots of trigger time, which aids shot placement which is 95% of the equation.
I've used my 10mm to successfully harvest big, aggressive, pissed boars (the most memorable is recorded on this forum) and most often used Underwood's 200gr XTP and it worked great, but on the big ones didn't leave "two holes" every time.
If "two holes" is required (lateral orientation); best bone crushing options IMO are:
200gr Bear Tooth wfn hard cast
220gr wfn hard cast
140gr xtreme penetrator
Additional good piggie options I'd be comfortable using for soft tissue or area between ear & shoulder.
200gr XTP
180gr XTP
180gr Gold Dot
180gr Trophy Bonded
Underwood 200gr Hardcast will crush bone like butter. Get a faster twist barrel and use the 220 Hardcast. Those from a Glock 40 would go through grizzly arse to appetite.