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Title: HANDLOADS IN SELF-DEFENSE SHOOTINGS:
Post by: The_Shadow on April 21 2017 12:40:36 PM MDT
HANDLOADS IN SELF-DEFENSE SHOOTINGS:

https://www.glocktalk.com/a/the-peculiar-problem-of-handloads-in-self-defense-shootings.18/ (https://www.glocktalk.com/a/the-peculiar-problem-of-handloads-in-self-defense-shootings.18/)
Title: Re: HANDLOADS IN SELF-DEFENSE SHOOTINGS:
Post by: PCFlorida on April 21 2017 01:02:18 PM MDT
Spats McGee is a good guy (and a lawyer!). I've followed his writings for years on THR. I'm glad that SIG has the SIG hollowpoints at a good speed. Not optimum for a 180, but better than most.
Title: Re: HANDLOADS IN SELF-DEFENSE SHOOTINGS:
Post by: tommac919 on April 21 2017 01:53:21 PM MDT
read the article...interesting , tho don't fully subscribe to his thoughts.

There are plenty of comm loads out there for it not to be a factor... heck most of my loads are slightly weaken loads from the pull-downs.

Reloading allows me to practice using the comm loads without the cost
Title: Re: HANDLOADS IN SELF-DEFENSE SHOOTINGS:
Post by: Olgo on April 22 2017 11:04:19 AM MDT
I've read that the forensic team being unable to duplicate the scenes for ballastics are the reason handloads were frowned upon. It's not the power that can be obtained from hand loading as most believe. Look at the loads we can buy from legitimate companies.

I can imagine this in a court trial:

"So you carry a 50 AE for protection? "A 50 cal? What are you afraid of? A Bear? In the city?

There's no law against carrying a 50 cal.
Title: Re: HANDLOADS IN SELF-DEFENSE SHOOTINGS:
Post by: Olgo on April 22 2017 03:28:53 PM MDT
When we are pressed into the situations like the cops I'll bet we don't shoot any better than them.
Title: Re: HANDLOADS IN SELF-DEFENSE SHOOTINGS:
Post by: sqlbullet on April 24 2017 08:32:32 AM MDT
This article really just applies the standard rules of hazards analysis to using handloads for defense.  In that methodology, you evaluate the probability of an incident, and the results of a negative outcome.

In this case an incident is defined as a situation in which you a.) carried handloaded ammo, b.) had to use your gun in a shooting, c.) the validity of the shooting was challenged in either criminal or civil court, and d.) the use of handloads was an element to the challenge.  The probability of these four items aligning is very low.

But, if they do align, then the use of handloads greatly increases the chance that you will lose and such a lose would be catastrophic to most of us.

The element I don't see addressed in the article is how the court will be able to tell the difference between my handloads and Buffalo Bore factory ammo, or any other maker that uses brass with the Starline headstamp.
Title: Re: HANDLOADS IN SELF-DEFENSE SHOOTINGS:
Post by: The_Shadow on April 24 2017 02:09:47 PM MDT
This Video may be of interest as well'