Greetings all. I am a Glock 29 owner and I'm just back from a trip to Cabelas. Amongst other things I ended up purchasing two boxes of BB 180grn "Heavy" JHP. I have no experience with BB ammo but was just advised to "be careful" with BB 10mm as it runs very hot, possibly too hot. Can anyone confirm or deny? Thanks...
I see the occasional slight smile with BB ammo in my Glock 20/29. They achieve velocities that I cannot using published load data.
This means they are loaded to the "edge" and have no margin for error up in powder dispensing. That said, BB was my carry ammo for several years, so clearly I trusted them.
I have a G29 and I've been shooting Underwood ammo which is loaded hot like BB. I'd suggest that you get a Wolfe non-captive 21# recoil spring and guide rod for it.
It makes it lot easier to shoot hot loads and it'll handle 40sw ammo very nicely.
Trailrunner, Buffalo Bore Ammo is on the HIGHER IMPULSE side of things with all of their ammo. That being said the Pull-Down shows their loads to be above loading data shown in loading manuals. I have used Buffalo Bore ammo in testing and because of the higher pressures and recoil impulse I use an Extra Power Recoil Setup. Like Olgo, I run a Wolff Gun Spring "non-captive recoil rod and 21lbs spring set and also have a 23 lbs set for use in the G-29. The extra power of the springs helps in several ways, taming the timing for the extra impulse and slide speeds as well.
This has also worked well for other bards of ammo Like SF, UW and DT as well as my own hand loaded performance ammo.
Just understand and observe you brass looking for signs of pressure vs early unlocking that may cause SMILED cases... :o
Quote from: The_Shadow on March 15 2017 05:45:42 PM MDT
Just understand and observe you brass looking for signs of pressure vs early unlocking that may cause SMILED cases... :o
Hah, I haven't thought of that. I actually got the Wolfe spring kit to handle the 9x25 Dillons.
Many of the members have used them here. I have stuck to underwood and double tap because they use better projectiles like the speer gold dot.
no I wouldn't use Buffalo Bore ammunition... because its too expensive.
Underwood costs MUCH less and will give you the same speeds.
-matt
I wouldn't use BB or UW. I can load cheaper and better and have full faith in my loads.
Not all of us are reloaders. At least I'm not, no place for it.
Quote from: Olgo on April 07 2017 07:19:36 PM MDT
Not all of us are reloaders. At least I'm not, no place for it.
I realize that not everyone reloads. Just saying if you do you can do better.
Buffalo Bore is more of a carry ammo than a range ammo. Too expensive..
I would shoot a few boxes to ensure reliability in my gun, then would use it for carry.
Quote from: PCFlorida on April 07 2017 06:39:41 PM MDT
I wouldn't use BB or UW. I can load cheaper and better and have full faith in my loads.
+1 !
Quote from: PCFlorida on April 07 2017 06:39:41 PM MDT
I wouldn't use BB or UW. I can load cheaper and better and have full faith in my loads.
This is why I don't buy BB anymore.
Quote from: Olgo on April 07 2017 07:19:36 PM MDT
Not all of us are reloaders. At least I'm not, no place for it.
Doesn't take much space if you are frugal about it. The problem is the habit grows.
Quote from: sqlbullet on April 10 2017 04:10:50 PM MDT
Quote from: PCFlorida on April 07 2017 06:39:41 PM MDT
I wouldn't use BB or UW. I can load cheaper and better and have full faith in my loads.
This is why I don't buy BB anymore.
Quote from: Olgo on April 07 2017 07:19:36 PM MDT
Not all of us are reloaders. At least I'm not, no place for it.
Doesn't take much space if you are frugal about it. The problem is the habit grows.
It certainly can. I have a Dillon 650 and love it, but I constantly am running out of space. Not a bad dilemma to have :)
During a major home addition/remodel a few years back I became an apartment dweller. Eight people in a three bedroom condo for 11 months. Everything not essential went into storage.
During that time I kept out my RCBS scales, RCBS powder drop, RCBS hand prime, Lee loader press, 10mm and 30-06 dies and a small box of powder, primer and bullets. Since I cast I had a separate box with a 10# pot and three molds. The Lee loader was mounted to a 1"x4"X12" board and then clamped to the kitchen table or bar when needed.
I wasn't going to win any speed contests, but with diligence I could load 100 rounds in an hour. I would generally process 100-200 rounds through a stage at a time, rather than working to go from spent brass to complete ammo in a session. I would decap and prime one night. Then I would flare and box another night. A few days before a range session I would charge, seat and crimp a couple hundred rounds. I had my tools organized around that with a box I could grab for prep and another for finish. Set-up and take down took too much time this way.
Yep, I know that routine. My first apartment was small. I loaded with a square deal clamped to the kitchen table. Gotta do what you gotta do :)
Quote from: PCFlorida on April 07 2017 06:39:41 PM MDT
I wouldn't use BB or UW. I can load cheaper and better and have full faith in my loads.
Me 2 I haven't bought ammo other than 22's in 7 decades ;D
+1 of the members who've added the Wolf 21# spring to G20 and confidently shoot Buffalo Bore, Underwood, Parabellum Research, Georgia Arms, etc.
Planning a camping & hiking trip up in Wyoming & Montana area with sons in just a few weeks. G20 and couple of magazines of BB & Underwood ammo are definitively part of the kit.
Probably want some nice hardcast for those areas.
What are the advantage of the hardcast bullet?
Typical cup and lead core bullets are made using soft lead so the deform as they encounter bone and in the case of hollow points the open peal and roll back with expansion. The cast bullets can be soft but harder cast alloys can withstand quite a bit of impact with softer materials such as hide flesh and even bone therefore they can penetrate deeply and even completely pass through even larger animals. Their MEPLAT makes for a larger surface area as their leading cutting edge followed by the actual bullet diameter and weight to do the work of deep tissue damage with their stored energy, breaking bones, joints, spines or even huge hard skulls.
Two holes help to bleed the animals out faster. Retrieved hard cast bullets even shot into water jugs can show very little damage to the projectiles...
When you are considering a self defense ammo the risk of pass through and not dumping all of the energy into the perp becomes problematic. Innocent bystanders could be struck with a pass through shot which increases the liability for criminal and civil law suits.
Seems not really much difference between hard cast and hard ball.
Quote from: Olgo on May 15 2017 04:52:43 PM MDT
Seems not really much difference between hard cast and hard ball.
The difference is in the terminal ballistics.... What happens inside the animal.
The wide flat meplat creates a much larger wound channel than a hardball (round nose or small flat point)...
The shape of a bullet can change everything.
Quote from: Dave84 on May 15 2017 02:35:17 PM MDT
Probably want some nice hardcast for those areas.
Very good counsel and I definitely will.
Quote from: Ridgerunner665 on May 15 2017 04:59:08 PM MDT
Quote from: Olgo on May 15 2017 04:52:43 PM MDT
Seems not really much difference between hard cast and hard ball.
The difference is in the terminal ballistics.... What happens inside the animal.
The wide flat meplate creates a much larger wound channel than a hardball (round nose or small flat point)...
The shape of a bullet can change everything.
To expound on this point just a little: as referenced bullet shape and composition make a tremendous difference in projectile intended for protection against large dangerous animals.
Shadow & Ridgerunner as usual are dead on. Ball ammo tends to push tissue aside and pencil through and being lead with a copper jacket can and often will deform or deflect when hitting strong enough bone. Hardcast alloys with significant meplat (wide flat nose) "cut" and crush through flesh and bone and penitrate far deeper with significantly more damaging terminal ballistics than ball ammo. Just google hardcast vs fmj for lots of tests illustrating this fact.
Quote from: Trailrunner on March 13 2017 12:50:55 PM MDT
Greetings all. I am a Glock 29 owner and I'm just back from a trip to Cabelas. Amongst other things I ended up purchasing two boxes of BB 180grn "Heavy" JHP. I have no experience with BB ammo but was just advised to "be careful" with BB 10mm as it runs very hot, possibly too hot. Can anyone confirm or deny? Thanks...
would not use it...
I'd wait til I get the recoil spring set from Wolf, no less than 21#.
Im still running my stock G29 spring. Even with the Underwood ammo. No signs of battering yet.
Quote from: Overkill338 on May 17 2017 12:54:50 PM MDT
Im still running my stock G29 spring. Even with the Underwood ammo. No signs of battering yet.
You think it's not, trust me. The #21 spring/guide set from Wolff is $35. Very good investment for your G29 and your hand, trust me.
Quote from: Olgo on May 17 2017 01:44:18 PM MDT
Quote from: Overkill338 on May 17 2017 12:54:50 PM MDT
Im still running my stock G29 spring. Even with the Underwood ammo. No signs of battering yet.
You think it's not, trust me. The #21 spring/guide set from Wolff is $35. Very good investment for your G29 and your hand, trust me.
I do trust your advice, very much. But it makes me very nervous messing with the RSA.
Really? You never took the slide off? Even for cleaning?
Quote from: Olgo on May 17 2017 06:10:01 PM MDT
Really? You never took the slide off? Even for cleaning?
I should have said"altering the RSA". I strip my gun completely once per week and clean it weather it needs it or not. I can tear it down to every last piece and reassemble in around 3 mins. Just something boredom made me try. I've been a GlockOphile for many years, but I've always kept the stock RSA.
Will I need the 21# with my 9x25 barrel?
That spring will work with any ammo you put in. Even the 40sw. That's what makes it nice, it slows the slide down.
The spring is rather strong so you'd have to grip it to rack. That's why the G29 spring is weak and the slide slams so you can rack it easily.
Can you link me to the rod and spring? What is the stock spring rate anyway?
The stock is 17#. Here's the site:
https://www.gunsprings.com/GLOCK%20%C2%AE/cID1/mID5/dID116
Look for #50921 (starts with 50915 that you click on)
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