I'm new to the forum and new to the 10mm caliber. I am however not new to casting and reloading etc. Currently I own a Rock Island 5" Rock series 10mm and have had great workup with the Lee 175 TC design bullet running full powder loads. As a person who enjoys running my own home grown bullets I am wondering who here as run a WFN in their RIA 10mm's. I've read reports of people running Double Tap 200 grain bullets with nose meplat diameters of .31/.32" without problems in their Rock Islands but have not heard 1st hand from anyone.
I am looking at a particular mold that would be a solid WFN of 200 grains but also can be hollow pointed to 180 grain. I started up a thread about this design and hope others will have interest. http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,1905.0.html
Thanks in advance.
I have the 5 cavity aluminum version of the mold you reference, with the hollow point pins. I like the mold very much.
I do not have a RIA. I do have a Para P16/40 I converted to 10mm. The bullets run fine in it as long as I keep the COAL below 1.250. That gun is pretty finicky about that.
Welcome to the forum RobS! In my documentations I have seen where DT was seating the WFN down to 1.2420" to allow them the best feeding angles...as the cartridge is entering the chamber as the case head slide up the breech face.
Different guns handle the feeding of these bullets and experimenting can help determine how yours does.
I cast several but most are the TC design these are the ones I use for 10mm/40 cal.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/m274jq8m5/10mm_Cast_Bullets_zps0b199796.jpg)
I use the exact NOE mould you mention in all of my 40/10mm. It is a great mould.
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Just got a 215 grain wide meplat 4 cavity mold from Accurate......PC'd and sized to .401, it feeds and chambers fine in my 20 and 29 with LW barrels, along with the DI AR.
Should be good hog medicine, and should make some good sub loads as soon as the stamp comes back for a Dead Air Ghost.
(https://i.imgur.com/1xiZBuj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bwrBsrQ.jpg)
Thats a good looking bullet Winn!
I have a couple 170 and 200 TC molds but still have yet to buy the. Ullet I really want.
I have bought a few hundred 200 WFNGC bullets from Double tap and aside from poor packaging I like them allot.
I have t shot them thru my Deltas but they are fine thru mu G20 & 29 as well as my MechTech carbine.
I have some somemof the Lyman devestators and up close they are pretty nice!! As cast they expanded voilently on a Coyote I took with one!
I really need to get off my butt and buy a mold!!
CW
winn442, welcome to the forum! Thanks for posting your report. Great looking bullet 8) and it it is close to what I was going to order. However I never jumped in with that one. I do have 4 molds I cast bullets for my 10mm from with the RCBS 200 grain TC SWC dropping at 208 grains.
I have been wanting to PC some of mine, but just haven't gotten started yet... ::)
Best regards and enjoy the forum! :D
My Accurate 40-195G arrived last week, and I cast a few yesterday - nice mold :)
(http://10mm-reloaded.com/reloading/images/Accurate_40-195G_coated.jpg)
Quote from: Benchrst on March 05 2017 09:38:06 AM MST
My Accurate 40-195G arrived last week, and I cast a few yesterday - nice mold :)
(http://10mm-reloaded.com/reloading/images/Accurate_40-195G_coated.jpg)
Nice, once you use PC bullets you can't go back. Close to the price of cast and the performance of a jacketed.
Quote from: PCFlorida on March 05 2017 11:53:12 AM MST
Nice, once you use PC bullets you can't go back. Close to the price of cast and the performance of a jacketed.
It's almost all I shoot :)
Well after starting the thread over on the NOE forum and having zip interest I went ahead and just had Tom at Accurate Molds cut me a design to my description too. I didn't see the point in waiting forever on a mold. None the less, a wide flat nosed secant style design with just a touch of draft on the meplat to help with cycling.
http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=40-190R-D.png
It took less than a week this time around from order to my door step. Great customer service and I just hand cycled some into my Rock Island with zero issues. I plan on loading some up in the next week or so and hit the range to see about function. This one is designed to seat at 1.250 to 1.240 COAL. I cast and Hi-Tek coated around 200 today so it won't be long now.
Link didn't work, can you post an image of the design?
Fixed the link.
Well now I have a problem.... I was looking at the NOE but they don't have the configuration I want available and they don't bother answering my emails as to when it might be available... I've bought several molds from Tom and his service is great...
I was about to order the Accurate 40-215F but I really like that newly designed 40-190R...
Winn442...have you chronographed any loads with that bullet yet? What powder are you using?
RobS...was wondering what you expect for velocity out of your design...that is a nice looking bullet.
Bob
I was able to get out today and do some work up. I had to seat to 1.240" so they would fit in my metalform OEM Rock Island magazines. I don't know if this is how other 1911 single stack magazines are for 10mm or not but figured others reading might want to know. I did plan on a 1.250 to 1.240" seating depth when I had the boolit drawn up. Pretty decent day and accurate to around 2.0" at 20 yards off of a bag. Zero leading with the Hi-Tek coating so that is a plus too.
Firearm: Rock Island 5" FS with 20 lbs recoil spring, 25 pound main spring and flat bottom firing pin stop.
Bullet: Accurate Arms 40-190R, Hi-Tek coated (three coats), Wheel Weight alloy and sized at .4015
COAL: Seated at 1.240"
Powder: Ramshot Enforcer
Grains: 14
Velocity avg. 1150fps
I would like to push this one out at 1200 to 1250 fps and should be able to do it safety using the slower powder. Additionally I designed this bullet to maximize case volume which will help put more of the slower powder in the case.
I have used 15 grains of Enforcer with the Lee 401-175-TC mold and it is a good 1280 fps load.
Thanks....Bob
Quote from: RobS on March 08 2017 06:22:40 PM MST
Bullet: Accurate Arms 40-190R, Hi-Tek coated (three coats), Wheel Weight alloy and sized at .4015
COAL: Seated at 1.240"
Powder: Ramshot Enforcer
Grains: 14
Velocity avg. 1150fps
Enforcer in 10mm?
Correct.............I have nearly 10 lbs of Enforcer and it's a tick lower than #9
Quote from: Benchrst on March 05 2017 09:38:06 AM MST
My Accurate 40-195G arrived last week, and I cast a few yesterday - nice mold :)
(http://10mm-reloaded.com/reloading/images/Accurate_40-195G_coated.jpg)
Good lookin' bullet!! 195 is nice too... I like the sounds of it... still shoot able from my 40's and not too light for heavy loads allowing for extra PC in the 10.
CW
Quote from: RJM52 on March 08 2017 05:30:52 AM MST
Well now I have a problem.... I was looking at the NOE but they don't have the configuration I want available and they don't bother answering my emails as to when it might be available... I've bought several molds from Tom and his service is great...
I was about to order the Accurate 40-215F but I really like that newly designed 40-190R...
Winn442...have you chronographed any loads with that bullet yet? What powder are you using?
RobS...was wondering what you expect for velocity out of your design...that is a nice looking bullet.
Bob
Got some loaded but haven't got out to the range yet....damn work keeps getting in the way......and I fatally shot my chronograph a few months ago and haven't replaced it yet....got some Blue Dot in the first few, and will try some Longshot later if I'm not happy with the BD.
Quote from: RobS on March 08 2017 10:03:03 PM MST
Correct.............I have nearly 10 lbs of Enforcer and it's a tick lower than #9
Interesting.
I tried it with 180s @ 1,170 and ran into case expansion (no room left in case, was at 110% of capacity).
Guess I should try it with 200s :)
Quote from: Benchrst on March 09 2017 08:04:57 PM MST
Quote from: RobS on March 08 2017 10:03:03 PM MST
Correct.............I have nearly 10 lbs of Enforcer and it's a tick lower than #9
Interesting.
I tried it with 180s @ 1,170 and ran into case expansion (no room left in case, was at 110% of capacity).
Guess I should try it with 200s :)
I was running 15 grains with the Lee 175 grain TC seated at 1.250" and it maxed out case capacity.
14.5 grains today with the 40-190R grain WFN and I was pushing 1240-1250fps. There is no more room at 14.5 grains with the current seating depth of 1.240"
Well after running a few hundred rounds through I found that Enforcer is just a touch too slow. I don't have enough case volume to build enough pressure to get a clean enough burn that the unburnt powder after time starts to mess with the full chambering of rounds. I was ending up later on with rounds not going full battery.
So onto two different powders. I used 8.3 grains of Power Pistol and 8.2 gains of Longshot. COAL was at 1.240" with my 190 grain WFN design, Hi-
Tek coated, wheel weight bullet.
The Power Pistol load was running 1,218 - 1,244 fps and accuracy was very good.
The Longshot load was running 1,238 - 1,247 fps and accuracy also very good.
The Power Pistol load seemed to have more recoil but burned a bit cleaner. Accuracy for both was MOA of a shotgun shell at 15 to 16 yards off a bench ;D. All in all I'm pretty happy with these loads and plan do more testing but I am leaning to the Longshot load.
My ria fs hc 10mm has run everything through it i can find. I am expecting some rim rock 220 grain cast(same underwood and buffalo bore use) as i REALLY liked what the buffalo bore did. didnt notice any leading but im going to try them with longshot and 800x.
im looking for molds and i may look into that 215.
thanks for the report on how those did!
Quote from: RobS on March 22 2017 04:19:36 PM MDT
Well after running a few hundred rounds through I found that Enforcer is just a touch too slow. I don't have enough case volume to build enough pressure to get a clean enough burn that the unburnt powder after time starts to mess with the full chambering of rounds. I was ending up later on with rounds not going full battery.
So onto two different powders. I used 8.3 grains of Power Pistol and 8.2 gains of Longshot. COAL was at 1.240" with my 190 grain WFN design, Hi-
Tek coated, wheel weight bullet.
The Power Pistol load was running 1,218 - 1,244 fps and accuracy was very good.
The Longshot load was running 1,238 - 1,247 fps and accuracy also very good.
The Power Pistol load seemed to have more recoil but burned a bit cleaner. Accuracy for both was MOA of a shotgun shell at 15 to 16 yards off a bench ;D. All in all I'm pretty happy with these loads and plan do more testing but I am leaning to the Longshot load.
I apologize for bringing up a potentially dead thread, but I'm curious if RobS is still using these bullets at these speeds successfully out of the RIA. What kind of pressure signs if any are you getting and have you tried AA#9 maybe?
This is the exact type of load I bought my Ultra FS to shoot and carry for mountain lion/black bear backup while out hunting.
I'm not Robs but he is a good friend. as of a week ago he is still running the same bullet 1250 with long shot. I think he has moved to a 22lb recoil spring.
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