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Other Ammunition Calibers => Factory Ammo pull-downs => Topic started by: crockett on January 22 2017 05:16:06 AM MST

Title: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: crockett on January 22 2017 05:16:06 AM MST
I'm working on cloning this ammo with a friend. The powder is so far unknown. Any help finding the powder is appreciated.


Ammo Manufacture: Underwood
Ammo Model: Xtreme Penetrator +P
Ammo Caliber: .380 Auto
Ammo Length: 0.9675"

Muzzle Claimed Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Measured Velocity: 1221 fps (Glock 42, 3.25" AlphaWolf barrel, 3 round average)
Muzzle Claimed Energy: 288 ft. lbs
Muzzle Measured Energy: 298 ft. lbs

Bullet Manufacture: LeHigh
Bullet Type: machines solid copper
Bullet Weight: 90 gr (Actual Weight: 90.128 gr)
Bullet Length: 0.5085"
Bullet Diameter: 0.3545"
Bullet Mouth Diameter: 0.2550"

Case Manufacture: Starline
Case Type: Ducta-Bright 7a Nickel Plated
Case Length: 0.6770"
Case Diameter: 0.3720"
Case Crimp Diameter: 0.3715"
Case Rim Diameter: 0.3700"

Primer: Small Pistol Primer nickel color

Powder Weight: 5.058 gr
Powder Manufacturer: - unknown -
Powder Name:  - unknown -



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Title: Re: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on January 22 2017 10:03:24 AM MST
I'm between Winchester AutoComp and Hodgdon CFE Pistol.  Care needs to taken as the 100% copper bullet is longer than a lead core counterpart.  CFE Pistol is faster burning and builds pressure faster and usually uses less powder than AutoComp.

Hodgdon shows the following data for the 380 with a 90 grain HDY from 3.75" BBL
CFE Pistol 3.7 grains @ 880 FPS - 11,900 PSI and 4.2 grains @ 1010 FPS - 19,500 PSI
AutoComp 4.1 grains @ 893 FPS - 11,200 CUP and 4.5 grains @ 1012 FPS - 15,500 CUP

I'm loading the Sierra 90 grain JHP's over 4.6 grains of AutoComp...1012 FPS from the Ruger LCP

My best guess is if they are running 5 grains that it is AutoComp...

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Title: Re: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: crockett on January 23 2017 02:07:54 AM MST
I have both powders here, no match.  :(


Powder from UW 380 EP pull:

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Autocomp:

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CFE Pistol:

(https://s27.postimg.cc/gugepfij7/Hodgdon_CFE_Pistol_012317.jpg)


The powder from the pull has besides the larger kernels also very fine and round powder. Could it be a mix?
Title: Re: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: Intercooler on January 23 2017 04:21:17 AM MST
How about Silhouette?
Title: Re: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on January 23 2017 07:48:01 AM MST
Underwood has started using the LOVEX powders like those from Shooters World which are rebranded.  But as I looked them over I didn't see any that fit the visual or the loading data profiles.  DO36-01 very similar to Silhouette & D037-01 very similar to AA#7

I had thought about RS Silhouette (use to be Winchester Action Pistol) but when you study the data it just falls short.  However these 100% copper bullets (Bullet Diameter: 0.3545") do have power bands that reduce frictional surfaces, so that may keep pressures in check.
Title: Re: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: crockett on January 23 2017 08:22:18 AM MST
Quote from: Intercooler on January 23 2017 04:21:17 AM MST
How about Silhouette?


I'll buy some next time around at a local gun show.
Title: Re: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: crockett on January 23 2017 08:25:33 AM MST
Quote from: The_Shadow on January 23 2017 07:48:01 AM MST
Underwood has started using the LOVEX powders like those from Shooters World which are rebranded.  But as I looked them over I didn't see any that fit the visual or the loading data profiles.  DO36-01 very similar to Silhouette & D037-01 very similar to AA#7

I had thought about RS Silhouette (use to be Winchester Action Pistol) but when you study the data it just falls short.  However these 100% copper bullets (Bullet Diameter: 0.3545") do have power bands that reduce frictional surfaces, so that may keep pressures in check.


That's an interesting detail.

I found 2 powders on the same level as Autocomp:

- Ultimate Pistol
- D036-07

http://shootersworldsc.com/propellants/

Any other suggestions from that list?

I'll have to see where its in stock.
Title: Re: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: The_Shadow on January 23 2017 08:50:23 AM MST
This is the picture of D036-07 LOVEX powder

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Title: Re: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: crockett on January 23 2017 09:28:43 AM MST
I have a feeling that this is the powder. Or 01, which is supposedly #7?

Midway is out of stock. Any other places to order D036-07 from? Ammoseek has no Lovex at all.
Title: Re: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: PCFlorida on January 29 2017 12:02:19 PM MST
I have been buying my Lovex powders from Powdervalleyinc.com

Title: Re: 380 ACP +P Underwood 90 gr Xtreme Penetrator Pull-Down
Post by: crockett on April 04 2017 06:07:05 PM MDT
By the way: D036-07 is only for sale to ammo manufacturers with license. I think it's safe to say that Underwood is using this powder.
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