Updated this post to a list of 10mm SA DA (Double Stack) options in case anyone else was looking for the same thing. If you have another to add please post it so I can add it to the list. I know I included a non double stack but the P220 has always been one of my top choices so I had to include it as a possibility. Thanks!
1. Sig P220 Lipseys (Reverse) (NON DOUBLE STACK - I love this gun so have included it as a visual comparison)
a. Decocker
b. 8+1
c. 39OZ (2.44lbs)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/09/ed/47/09ed472289c8093c7718923dc788ba9e.jpg)
2. Grand Power P40 10mm
a. Decocker Safety
b. 14+1
c. 27.2OZ (1.7lbs)
(https://grandpower.eagleimportsinc.com/media/catalog/product/cache/7/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/g/p/gpp40_grandpowerp40sw-blue_14_left_1.jpg)
3. EAA Witness Carry polymer
a. Safety
b. 14+1
c. 29OZ (1.81lbs)
(https://eaacorp.com/media/djcatalog2/images/item/0/witness-polymer-carry-tanfoglio_l.png)
4. EAA Witness polymer
a. Safety
b. 14+1
c. 31OZ (1.94lbs)
(http://eaacorp.com/media/djcatalog2/images/item/0/witness-polymer-full-size-tanfoglio_l.jpg)
5. EAA Stock II
a. Safety
b. 14+1
c. 43OZ (2.69lbs)
(http://eaacorp.com/media/djcatalog2/images/item/1/witness-elite-stock-ii_l.jpg)
6. EAA Stock III
a. Safety
b. 14+1
c. 2.8lbs
(http://eaacorp.com/media/djcatalog2/images/item/0/witness-elite-stock-iii-tanfoglio_l.jpg)
7. EAA Limited pro
a. Safety
b. 14+1
c. 2.56lbs
(http://eaacorp.com/media/djcatalog2/images/item/1/witness-elite-limited-pro_l.jpg)
I have both the 220 and the Grand Power. Love them both and both have been flawless for me. I did have the magazine drop issue but I changed my grip slightly which may have had something to do with it. Regardless it hasn't happened in the last 500 rounds. Very cool platform, it is a rotating barrel system and it takes a bite out of recoil and the distance the brass flies. The 220 runs great also, solid steel and shoots great as well. If I had to choose one it would likely be the Grand Power, but I don't have to :)
Thanks for the info. For the price I decided to pull the trigger on the P40. Thanks for the info hopefully I get one that is solid. I also decided to get a Sphinx SDP compact 9mm. I think I am on a gun craze lately. HELP!!!
Stock II,III , Limited pro
Quote from: 01deuce on January 20 2017 05:44:16 AM MST
Stock II,III , Limited pro
Thanks I updated the list in case anyone else was looking for the same thing. Would you recommend an EAA over a Sig P220 or Grand Power?
Your #3 is the EAA P-Carry. The Witness Polymer is different. And the Witness guns are not decocker models.
Edit: I see you changed it. You can add the P-Carry to the list. It meets your criteria.
Quote from: Patriot on January 20 2017 12:34:37 PM MST
Your #3 is the EAA P-Carry. The Witness Polymer is different. And the Witness guns are not decocker models.
Updated - thank you! I thought I saw a listing or two that said they were decocker models. For me coming from SAO a decocker is extremely important. When my wife shoots she will also want a decocker as holding the hammer will be a bit too hard for her.
My Witness "Longslide" (DuoTone)
a. Safety
b. 15+1
c. 41.9 oz
(https://i.imgur.com/2iTq6Ii.jpg)
When I run it as a Semi Compact (my DTD Carry), the Gun is 3.2 oz lighter
You won't go wrong with one of the full size witness guns. Dead reliable, strong as a tank.
Quick update...
I decided on the Grand Power P40 10mm. I have not shot it yet but a couple of initial impressions I wanted to write down.
1. Really light weight - at least fills that way in the hand vs my 9mm sphinx and other 9mm handguns.
2. Light weight sort of makes it feel cheap
3. The decocker does not rebound after decocking the gun. Have no idea why they could add in a spring to bring it back up.
4. Grips are not replaceable as it is all poly
5. Putting it back together is a real PITA!! I thought I would never get it back together. I only take it down once in awhile so not a big deal.
If it shoots well I can look past pretty much everything although replaceable grips for G10 would have been a real winner.
Quote from: bowpay on May 19 2017 09:44:02 AM MDT
Quick update...
I decided on the Grand Power P40 10mm. I have not shot it yet but a couple of initial impressions I wanted to write down.
1. Really light weight - at least fills that way in the hand vs my 9mm sphinx and other 9mm handguns.
2. Light weight sort of makes it feel cheap
3. The decocker does not rebound after decocking the gun. Have no idea why they could add in a spring to bring it back up.
4. Grips are not replaceable as it is all poly
5. Putting it back together is a real PITA!! I thought I would never get it back together. I only take it down once in awhile so not a big deal.
If it shoots well I can look past pretty much everything although replaceable grips for G10 would have been a real winner.
Well you need to test that thing by shooting it to make sure it will function reliably.
You also mention the 9mm sphinx...
Now that's a gun I really wish that would have become available for sale here chambered in 10mm...
Sphinx 3000 10mm
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j441/_The_Shadow/Precision%2010mm_zpsejzkmjjv.jpg)
Edited to add Kriss response to inquiry.
Subject: Contact Us Form KRISS USA
________________________________________
MAY 19, 2017 | 04:13PM PDT
Gene Yen replied:
Hello Wade,
Thank you for contacting KRISS USA. The SPHINX 3000 series of pistols have been discontinued for several years now. The only way to obtain a SPHINX 3000 chambered in 10mm is to find one second-hand. We are planning to bring back the SPHINX 3000 hopefully in 2018 but it will be chambered in 9mm
Gene Yen | Customer Service
WTF!!! Is that for real? DA/SA double stack decocker?!? I LOVE MY 9MM!!
Just finished up shooting about 20 rounds through it. Twice it failed to go into battery and the final shot I got a stuck case (of course this could be related to the target ammo). I was seriously surprised at the lack of recoil on this gun. Of course the lack of fire power could be why it failed to go into battery. Ammo specs below...
10mm 180gr. TMJ
http://www.bradsguns.com/product-p/wrcc_10mm_new.htm
I never lubed up the gun since I bought it so maybe with a little oil and polishing on the rails it might help to clean it up.
I was looking for a good double stack 10mm in da/sa... hard to find. Yes there as some as shown, but not what I wanted.
Settled on the Sig 220/10mm just like the first pic ( Lipseys version )
Today was second day at range... fired DT Hunter and DT Defense.... all fired well not one issue in total of 300+ round ( 5 types of ammo ).
DT cases mic'ed out at a nice .427
Quote from: tommac919 on May 19 2017 04:04:36 PM MDT
I was looking for a good double stack 10mm in da/sa... hard to find. Yes there as some as shown, but not what I wanted.
Settled on the Sig 220/10mm just like the first pic ( Lipseys version )
Today was second day at range... fired DT Hunter and DT Defense.... all fired well not one issue in total of 300+ round ( 5 types of ammo ).
DT cases mic'ed out at a nice .427
Funny you say that because I am going to pull the trigger on a Lipseys version. I am going to sell this Grand Power. I live in Brown bear country and I am not going to take the chance on a weapon possibly not working when I need it the most. Glock would be my other choice but DA only really scares me with accuracy. I figure the first shot on a DA/SA would possibly frighten what ever is coming at me and the second shot should be dead on.
Quote from: The_Shadow on May 19 2017 10:34:16 AM MDT
Quote from: bowpay on May 19 2017 09:44:02 AM MDT
Quick update...
I decided on the Grand Power P40 10mm. I have not shot it yet but a couple of initial impressions I wanted to write down.
1. Really light weight - at least fills that way in the hand vs my 9mm sphinx and other 9mm handguns.
2. Light weight sort of makes it feel cheap
3. The decocker does not rebound after decocking the gun. Have no idea why they could add in a spring to bring it back up.
4. Grips are not replaceable as it is all poly
5. Putting it back together is a real PITA!! I thought I would never get it back together. I only take it down once in awhile so not a big deal.
If it shoots well I can look past pretty much everything although replaceable grips for G10 would have been a real winner.
Well you need to test that thing by shooting it to make sure it will function reliably.
You also mention the 9mm sphinx...
Now that's a gun I really wish that would have become available for sale here chambered in 10mm...
Sphinx 3000 10mm
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j441/_The_Shadow/Precision%2010mm_zpsejzkmjjv.jpg)
Edited to add KRISS response to contact inquiry;
Subject: Contact Us Form KRISS USA
________________________________________
MAY 19, 2017 | 04:13PM PDT
Gene Yen replied:
Hello Wade,
Thank you for contacting KRISS USA. The SPHINX 3000 series of pistols have been discontinued for several years now. The only way to obtain a SPHINX 3000 chambered in 10mm is to find one second-hand. We are planning to bring back the SPHINX 3000 hopefully in 2018 but it will be chambered in 9mm
Gene Yen | Customer Service
Quote from: bowpay on May 19 2017 04:10:58 PM MDT
Quote from: tommac919 on May 19 2017 04:04:36 PM MDT
I was looking for a good double stack 10mm in da/sa... hard to find. Yes there as some as shown, but not what I wanted.
Settled on the Sig 220/10mm just like the first pic ( Lipseys version )
Today was second day at range... fired DT Hunter and DT Defense.... all fired well not one issue in total of 300+ round ( 5 types of ammo ).
DT cases mic'ed out at a nice .427
Funny you say that because I am going to pull the trigger on a Lipseys version. I am going to sell this Grand Power. I live in Brown bear country and I am not going to take the chance on a weapon possibly not working when I need it the most. Glock would be my other choice but DA only really scares me with accuracy. I figure the first shot on a DA/SA would possibly frighten what ever is coming at me and the second shot should be dead on.
You have fired 20 rounds and not cleaned or lubed it from the factory? You might be disappointed no matter what you buy. i have both the GP40 and the 220-10 and they both are great shooters with no issues. But I cleaned and lubed them from the factory.
Quote from: PCFlorida on May 19 2017 04:52:53 PM MDT
Quote from: bowpay on May 19 2017 04:10:58 PM MDT
Quote from: tommac919 on May 19 2017 04:04:36 PM MDT
I was looking for a good double stack 10mm in da/sa... hard to find. Yes there as some as shown, but not what I wanted.
Settled on the Sig 220/10mm just like the first pic ( Lipseys version )
Today was second day at range... fired DT Hunter and DT Defense.... all fired well not one issue in total of 300+ round ( 5 types of ammo ).
DT cases mic'ed out at a nice .427
Funny you say that because I am going to pull the trigger on a Lipseys version. I am going to sell this Grand Power. I live in Brown bear country and I am not going to take the chance on a weapon possibly not working when I need it the most. Glock would be my other choice but DA only really scares me with accuracy. I figure the first shot on a DA/SA would possibly frighten what ever is coming at me and the second shot should be dead on.
You have fired 20 rounds and not cleaned or lubed it from the factory? You might be disappointed no matter what you buy. i have both the GP40 and the 220-10 and they both are great shooters with no issues. But I cleaned and lubed them from the factory.
I will try it out. I know I should be better with my guns but I have done that with others without problems. I just keep hearing about issues with the P40. I am going to pick up a Glock 20 Gen 4 and a P220. I am on a quest to get the best 10mm for bear country. I figure I would have all my bases covered with the two that I am adding on. Going to have a gun sale soon. lol I no longer want SA guns.
In all honesty, I carry the Glock 20 when hiking in bear country ( yes only black bears ).
I do it for the 15 rounds.....
To think in that situ you'll even remember pulling the trigger is a lot , you practice hitting a paper plate and pray you keep them that small
Besides, the glock is cheap so I don't worry about it getting wet,etc
Quote from: bowpay on May 19 2017 04:59:36 PM MDT
Quote from: PCFlorida on May 19 2017 04:52:53 PM MDT
Quote from: bowpay on May 19 2017 04:10:58 PM MDT
Quote from: tommac919 on May 19 2017 04:04:36 PM MDT
I was looking for a good double stack 10mm in da/sa... hard to find. Yes there as some as shown, but not what I wanted.
Settled on the Sig 220/10mm just like the first pic ( Lipseys version )
Today was second day at range... fired DT Hunter and DT Defense.... all fired well not one issue in total of 300+ round ( 5 types of ammo ).
DT cases mic'ed out at a nice .427
Funny you say that because I am going to pull the trigger on a Lipseys version. I am going to sell this Grand Power. I live in Brown bear country and I am not going to take the chance on a weapon possibly not working when I need it the most. Glock would be my other choice but DA only really scares me with accuracy. I figure the first shot on a DA/SA would possibly frighten what ever is coming at me and the second shot should be dead on.
You have fired 20 rounds and not cleaned or lubed it from the factory? You might be disappointed no matter what you buy. i have both the GP40 and the 220-10 and they both are great shooters with no issues. But I cleaned and lubed them from the factory.
I will try it out. I know I should be better with my guns but I have done that with others without problems. I just keep hearing about issues with the P40. I am going to pick up a Glock 20 Gen 4 and a P220. I am on a quest to get the best 10mm for bear country. I figure I would have all my bases covered with the two that I am adding on. Going to have a gun sale soon. lol I no longer want SA guns.
I'm not sold on my P40 either. Maybe you will like the Springfield XD -10 when it arrives next year..
The biggest thing the GP has going for it is the rotating barrel. Slows down the action resulting in less recoil and brass that is in the same zip code as you. I have a G20 and G29, some 1911's and a Sig and they are all great, but none of them are really any different recoil wise. The GP is and mine runs great. The Springfield will be nice and I will likely buy one, but it is still a standard Browning design and will likely not be any different as far as recoil and brass ejection goes.
I can say that the weight on the Sig 220/10 is almost 40 oz...heavy. (g20 is about 30oz )
I've fired the same round ( DT ) in it and a G20/3 with 20 lb spring ... the mass of the Sig made it feel less
Maybe its the Glock in my blood, but geez those EAA's are some ugly pieces. No offense to yall to have them. I know lots think Blocks are ugly, but I find them down right sexy: D
Quote from: Overkill338 on May 20 2017 12:08:32 PM MDT
Maybe its the Glock in my blood, but geez those EAA's are some ugly pieces. No offense to yall to have them. I know lots think Blocks are ugly, but I find them down right sexy: D
Really ?
No offense taken, but I feel sorry for you that you are having problems with your eyes!
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Are there any EAA witness 10mms that have a decocker? I thought I read the poly version was a decocker and matched what I am looking for. Also if I wanted to import a Sphinx 3000 10mm how would I go about doing something like that? I can only imagine something like that will probably run me $3k or more. It might be worth it to me if it meant I can find the exact gun I am looking for.
This is what KRISS stated,
QuoteKRISS USA. The SPHINX 3000 series of pistols have been discontinued for several years now. The only way to obtain a SPHINX 3000 chambered in 10mm is to find one second-hand.
These were absolutely beautiful guns and it is a damn shame that they are no longer... :(
They were very cool. I was disappointed when they weren't selling them any more as they were on my to buy list.
Quote from: PCFlorida on May 21 2017 01:00:00 PM MDT
They were very cool. I was disappointed when they weren't selling them any more as they were on my to buy list.
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Check out flint river armory and the new 10mm short stroke gas piston carbine. Looks to be an amazing Gun!
Last update - I misrepresented what the problem with the P40 was - sorry about that. It went into battery but didn't reset the hammer. It seems that the spring is so heavy in the P40 10mm that the slide doesn't slide far enough back to reset the hammer to single action. I cleaned it up and reoiled it but that grey spring I think is too heavy therefor the slide doesn't come far enough back. I also had a few cases that locked up inside of the ejection port. I've read some swapped out their spring. Also I could only get about 8 rounds in the magazine as the spring is too heavy. Again I have read that some people have cut down their springs. To me this is a show stopper. The last thing I want to do is have to customize my gun to make it just work. I've decided that with my 1895 SBL as my main defense in bear country an 8+1 is enough ammo by the time I have to actually pull it out to use it. I am going to give Grey Guns a call today and see if they can lighten up the P220 a little. 40 ounces is a bit heavy so hopefully they can work their magic on it. It would be nice to take off a few ounces. The other gun I thought about was the S&W 1076 but at 40 ounces and double the price of a P220 match elite I can't justify 1 more round. Now if it had 14-17 rounds I would probably take the leap. I sent an email to Sig about a double stack option and the reply I received was...
"Double stack 10mm – I can say we understand the need for one. "
Maybe we will see a 226 in 10mm??
The Sig 227 could be done in 10mm. The 226 doesn't have the mag capacity. ( big enough for OAL )
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Quote from: sstewart on May 23 2017 10:44:13 AM MDT
The Sig 227 could be done in 10mm. The 226 doesn't have the mag capacity. ( big enough for OAL )
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Gotcha. but the 227 says 10 round capacity in 45. What would that mean in terms of a 10mm? 2 more rounds?
Quote from: bowpay on May 23 2017 10:13:45 AM MDT
Last update - I misrepresented what the problem with the P40 was - sorry about that. It went into battery but didn't reset the hammer. It seems that the spring is so heavy in the P40 10mm that the slide doesn't slide far enough back to reset the hammer to single action. I cleaned it up and reoiled it but that grey spring I think is too heavy therefor the slide doesn't come far enough back. I also had a few cases that locked up inside of the ejection port. I've read some swapped out their spring. Also I could only get about 8 rounds in the magazine as the spring is too heavy. Again I have read that some people have cut down their springs. To me this is a show stopper. The last thing I want to do is have to customize my gun to make it just work. I've decided that with my 1895 SBL as my main defense in bear country an 8+1 is enough ammo by the time I have to actually pull it out to use it. I am going to give Grey Guns a call today and see if they can lighten up the P220 a little. 40 ounces is a bit heavy so hopefully they can work their magic on it. It would be nice to take off a few ounces. The other gun I thought about was the S&W 1076 but at 40 ounces and double the price of a P220 match elite I can't justify 1 more round. Now if it had 14-17 rounds I would probably take the leap. I sent an email to Sig about a double stack option and the reply I received was...
"Double stack 10mm – I can say we understand the need for one. "
Maybe we will see a 226 in 10mm??
My P40 was sent in for warranty work. The pistol Smith cut the mag springs down. Did some work on the catch Windows to better engage the mags. It still fails to reset now and then. And with full house loads drops the mag on occasion. I will be selling her for a XD in 10mm.
Quote from: 10Tens on May 23 2017 11:11:30 AM MDT
Quote from: bowpay on May 23 2017 10:13:45 AM MDT
Last update - I misrepresented what the problem with the P40 was - sorry about that. It went into battery but didn't reset the hammer. It seems that the spring is so heavy in the P40 10mm that the slide doesn't slide far enough back to reset the hammer to single action. I cleaned it up and reoiled it but that grey spring I think is too heavy therefor the slide doesn't come far enough back. I also had a few cases that locked up inside of the ejection port. I've read some swapped out their spring. Also I could only get about 8 rounds in the magazine as the spring is too heavy. Again I have read that some people have cut down their springs. To me this is a show stopper. The last thing I want to do is have to customize my gun to make it just work. I've decided that with my 1895 SBL as my main defense in bear country an 8+1 is enough ammo by the time I have to actually pull it out to use it. I am going to give Grey Guns a call today and see if they can lighten up the P220 a little. 40 ounces is a bit heavy so hopefully they can work their magic on it. It would be nice to take off a few ounces. The other gun I thought about was the S&W 1076 but at 40 ounces and double the price of a P220 match elite I can't justify 1 more round. Now if it had 14-17 rounds I would probably take the leap. I sent an email to Sig about a double stack option and the reply I received was...
"Double stack 10mm – I can say we understand the need for one. "
Maybe we will see a 226 in 10mm??
My P40 was sent in for warranty work. The pistol Smith cut the mag springs down. Did some work on the catch Windows to better engage the mags. It still fails to reset now and then. And with full house loads drops the mag on occasion. I will be selling her for a XD in 10mm.
I don't blame you. I am going to take it down to the gun shop today to try to sell it along with my XDs and AKs and a bunch of mags.
Also I'm ordering the new Flint river armory 10mm carbine..Its kind of pricey. The P40 sale will cover about half the cost.
Quote from: bowpay on May 23 2017 10:48:42 AM MDT
Quote from: sstewart on May 23 2017 10:44:13 AM MDT
The Sig 227 could be done in 10mm. The 226 doesn't have the mag capacity. ( big enough for OAL )
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Gotcha. but the 227 says 10 round capacity in 45. What would that mean in terms of a 10mm? 2 more rounds?
A Glock 29 & Glock 30 are identical with flush fit mags. The G30 is a .45 and holds 9 and the 29 is a 10mm and holds 10.
Not identical, 30 is single stack 45; 29 is double stack 10mm
Approx the same size I think
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@bowwpay
Do yourself a favor... Don't worry about it an get yes elf a Glock 20 for your bear issue..they are cheap but always work,with the 15 round cap you need worry a bit about missing one or twice...you won't remember anything when a bear charges at you except maybe cleaning yr pants
Quote from: sstewart on May 28 2017 04:19:37 PM MDT
Not identical, 30 is single stack 45; 29 is double stack 10mm
Approx the same size I think
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You are thinking about the 36 which is a single stack not the 30. The 30 is pretty much the same pistol as the 29 except the caliber and slight changes to the ejection port. I owned a 29 for a while and wish i would have bought a 30 instead because a 30/21 will run the 10mm, 40, and .357 sig with a mag and a barrel change as well as the .45. The 29/20 will run them all with just a simple barrel recoil spring change but will not run the .45 ACP with a mag and barrel due to the smaller ejection port .
Thanks for the info
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With the release of the 220 Legion yesterday I spoke to the same rep and he says that we should see the 220 Legion 10mm in late July early August. Now I am shooting (not literally lol) now that I placed the P220 Lipseys version on layaway! The Grey guns trigger kit is around $350! ouch!
I hope they keep the alloy frame and under 30 oz weight on the 10mm version. That would be a great option for carry.
Although, strictly speaking it is not a double stack. Still, 10+1 of 10mm is nothing to sneeze at.
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 02 2017 10:33:09 AM MDT
I hope they keep the alloy frame and under 30 oz weight on the 10mm version. That would be a great option for carry.
Nope I asked the same question. He said it will be Stainless steel. I think it's going to be identical to the Lipseys version but Legion. I think the only real upgrade is the Gray guns trigger kit.
Dang. The only thing keeping me from buying one is the weight for a single stack gun ???. I already have several 10's to heavy for EDC.
I tried to carry the Sig 220-10mm ( instead of the g20 )
Two things...the extra 10 oz DOES make a difference, and the g20 is not such a pretty gun so it doesn't matter if I bang it up
Quote from: tommac919 on June 02 2017 01:35:54 PM MDT
I tried to carry the Sig 220-10mm ( instead of the g20 )
Two things...the extra 10 oz DOES make a difference, and the g20 is not such a pretty gun so it doesn't matter if I bang it up
It's the DA/SA trigger that I am after. Sold and re bought all DA/SA guns and training with the new trigger type. Don't want to mix and match. I just don't understand why someone can't come out with a 10mm da/sa Glock alternative. How many people that hunt would buy them? I know I would own two. Unbelievable!
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It's the DA/SA trigger that I am after. Sold and re bought all DA/SA guns and training with the new trigger type. Don't want to mix and match. I just don't understand why someone can't come out with a 10mm da/sa Glock alternative. How many people that hunt would buy them? I know I would own two. Unbelievable!
Take a look at the EAA Witness (made by Tanfoglio in Italy). They have SA/DA triggers standard, though some models are SA only. They are all double-stack magazines (14+1 in 10mm), and they have steel frames unless you opt for plastic, they have both. Their DA/SA triggers allow carrying either cocked-and-locked or hammer-down on a live round -- but you have to be able to lower the hammer without dropping it, no big deal.